Lets be serious, i hear this board complain and complain and complain, about how hip hop disrespects black females, i heard Bill Cosby complain how hip hop disrespects black females, well when are all these rnb females going to get screamed on

Fantasia - I Need a Hood Boy, a boy with no ambition and no dreams
Destiny Child - I Need a SOldier, if you aint selling drugs you can't holla at B
Monica - Sideline Ho,

and there is many more and more of these songs, that rnb females are making that is way more powerful than any credit card being slide down some beautiful strippers ass

Yup, you've definitely got a point.

What R&B females? There's no such thing as R&B anymore. Nowadays, it's shit hop with singing over it instead of rapping.

vainandy said:

I knew it was comin'!

VoicesCarry said:

It's TRUE.

Graycap23 said:

Duh!

You know it!

VoicesCarry said:

I guess good ol' Andrea can be vain enough to release a dictionary under his *cough* HER name

Shit hop is part of my terminology now.

I completely disagree. Just by calling another woman a bitch or a ho, they are asserting their OWN power and expressing themselves. Those are acceptable terms in popular music by today's standards. I hate when people try to make music (especially urban music) PC. It is what it is.

badujunkie said:

I buy this just about as much as I buy feminism is about wearing thongs and "exploring your sexsooahlity on your own terms".

In songs like Soldier these women are actually putting themselves down. They are disempowering themselves.
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KingKrazy said:

Does Fantasia say she wants a man with no dreams or or you assuming that's what hood boy means? I live in the hood but I'm an executive so what's your point on that one?

I can't stand Beyonce's music but Soldier does not reference a guy selling drugs.

badujunkie said:

how is referring to myself as less than I am empower me?


let me check my facts before I post edit
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VoicesCarry said:

This I agree with and I also disagree with badujunkie and women asserting power by using those words. If they are doing that, then they better not get made when a man calls them that.

unkemptpueblo said:

I looked it up and that is not a line in Fantasia's song. The song is reall fuckin' stupid though.

Stymie said:

you saw that pre-edit, huh?

Stymie said:

I think these words can be used in an empowering sense. I liked the image that TLC put forth with "Silly Ho", which is basically the opposite of Soldier:

I ain't never been no Silly Ho
Waiting for your call
Like the other girls all do
I ain't never been no one to mess
With someone else's mess
That's not a thing for me to do
I ain't never been that chickenhead
To wake up in your bed
After every club or two
Ain't gonna be the one in mini skirt
Always wanna flirt
With every player on the team

Chorus:
If you really wanna find
Some one to get some behind
I ain't the one for you
And if you really wanna know
Boy you need a silly ho
To do whatever you wanna do
If you really wanna find
Someone to get some behind
I ain't the one for you
(I ain't the one for you)
And if you really wanna know
Boy you need a silly ho
To do whatever you wanna do
Oooh oooh

Stymie said:

Stymie, she says she wants a dude in the trap, that is ATL slang, for a dude who is in the streets with no future

and SOldier drops Drug references, from carrying big thangs, to flipping money tthree ways, i hope your old enough to not just look at lyrics and see the behind meanings

unkemptpueblo said:

Yeah but it's okay. I agree with the other part of your pre-edit.

KingKrazy said:

Yes, I am old enough to see hidden meanings in songs but I also thought when they sing carrying big things, they were referring to penis size. I have never heard flipping money three ways. If that is a reference to drugs then they are three dumb cows.

As far as Miss Fantasia, wow. But to generalize women in R&B with these two examples is really far-reaching.

vainandy said:

Change "singing" to "wailing" and you're on the money.

VoicesCarry said:

They are talking the way many male artists in R&B/Hip Hop do, and that is asserting equality. Same thing with selling sex--if they have the body and the allure to make some dough, and they are comfortable showing skin, it's money in the bank for them, that's empowering too.

uPtoWnNY said:

Wailing and poor lyrical content are the main reasons why R&B or shit hop has never interested me with a few rare exceptions.

Stymie said:

Oh please...it's not dissimilar to a black person using the "N" word or a gay person using the "F" word amongst themselves...it's still not OK for a non black person to use the word "N" or a straight person to use the word "F"...if people take words that were meant to degrade them and turn it into a part of their own vernacular, I don't see anything wrong with that.

badujunkie said:

Sorry, this I just CANNOT agree with. Equality connotes RESPECT. If the men don't respect them, they counter it by not respecting themselves? Yeah, that's some equality



I don't quite see how that relates to the topic... There is no disrespect in being sexy.
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VoicesCarry said:

the second part was a response to your comment about thongs/feminism.

this first part, I am saying that when a group is repressed by certain words/language, once that group starts using those words/that language the meaning evolves and therefore isn't as powerful in being used to degrade.

badujunkie said:

That comment had nothing to do with looking or acting sexy. It had everything to do with how feminism has been warped from its original purpose to the freedom to wear thongs and fuck a lot. I don't agree that that's the point of femenism, just like I didn't agree with the comment (yours) I was responding to.



Nope. Can't say I agree with that assessment.
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KingKrazy said:

Is that what the lyrics to both Fantasia and Destiny's Child songs are saying? Really? Hard to believe coming from them. Monica is a whole different matter.

badujunkie said:

Well if gay people and black people do not want other people disrespecting them, then they shouldn't use disrespectful words. And let's not pretend black or gay people took those words back---some still use them as hate speech against themselves.

KingKrazy said:

I see your point as well Krazy. And I don't care for those types of songs neither.

BTW, Khia is trash!!!!! And Lil'Kim, Foxxy Brown, Jackie-O, and Trina are the new age Jungle Bunnies.

vainandy said:

.....and it's all Mary J. Blige's fault! Hip-Hop Soul is what Sean Combs used to call it. But where's the soul now?!?

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