meow85 said:

No. I saw a different show in St. Paul, Minnesota in 2004. But they did the same thing. Mick went around and introduced each member of the band and when it came to Keith, the crowd just went nuts and he just had to stand with his hands in his pockets, so to speak, forever it seemed, shrugging and smiling. His applause lasted way longer than the applause for the other guys.

Very good point. Jagger was the one who took the band forward, got them experimenting with different music styles (disco, funk, even hip hop), trying new things, all of which kept them vital and relevant. He's written most of their best songs from about 1973 onwards. He's the showman and the business brains.

Had it been for Keith, The Stones would sound like a older, slightly more credible version of Status Quo, recycling the same Berryesque riffs, with some blues, country and a dash of reggae thrown in.

I actually prefer Jagger.

Shapeshifter said:

Mick's the underrated one. That's not to diminish Keith's role - he is, after all, the architect of the sound (I-IV in an open tuning) that's most identified with the band - but Jagger's written more of the music than most people think. To me, it also says something about their writing dynamic that, on Keith's solo records, he prefers to work with a collaborator.

As for Richards' lifestyle, he's probably done more to romanticize smoking, drugging and boozing than anyone. Unfortunately, most who attempt to emulate him in this regard do not possess the same constitution and/or luck (and, of course, he's also toned down his ways considerably since the Toronto bust). The smoking will catch up with him eventually, though. :guydyingoflungcancer:

Mick's the underrated one. That's not to diminish Keith's role - he is, after all, the architect of the sound (I-IV in an open tuning) that's most identified with the band - but Jagger's written more of the music than most people think. To me, it also says something about their writing dynamic that, on Keith's solo records, he prefers to work with a collaborator.

As for Richards' lifestyle, he's probably done more to romanticize smoking, drugging and boozing than anyone. Unfortunately, most who attempt to emulate him in this regard do not possess the same constitution and/or luck (and, of course, he's also toned down his ways considerably since the Toronto bust). The smoking will catch up with him eventually, though. :guydyingoflungcancer:

I really wonder how the other two members feel about it all. Mick's the frontman so he's bound to get attention, and everyone loves Keef, so Charlie and Ron are sort of left in the shadows. I guess after 40 plus years they'd be used to it, but I heard the uneven attention is part of what contributed to Bill's leaving the band, so I don't know.

meow85 said:

Well, Ronnie was a latecomer to the party and considers himself lucky to be there (as well he should) and, by all accounts, Watts was never much of one for the limelight. As for Wyman, I'd always heard that his departure had more to do with being tired of dragging his ass around the world every couple of years and being well-content with the millions he'd already accumulated.
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Ace said:

I love Jagger, and not just for his surprising in-person sex appeal either. (really did not expect him to have that effect) Even though he's acknowledged as the co-writer, he doesn't really get as much credit as he should. But often he does get the blame for the more questionable career moves the band's undertaken. (Disco, Mick?)

The Stones never went "disco". Huge misconception. They may have used that distinctive 4/4 beat on "Miss You", but it was basically a rock song you could dance to at Studio 54. And it's an absolute classic too - especially the extended version. "Dance" and "Emotional Rescue" were also cut from the same cloth, but "Dance" has its roots in a stolen riff (listen to the Doobie Brothers' Long Train Running), which Led Zepo also - ah - "lifted" for Trampled Underfoot.

Besides, The Stones "going disco" is what helped them stay popular. Commercially, Miss You was their biggest hit, and Some Girls is their biggest selling album to date.

I really wonder how the other two members feel about it all. Mick's the frontman so he's bound to get attention, and everyone loves Keef, so Charlie and Ron are sort of left in the shadows. I guess after 40 plus years they'd be used to it, but I heard the uneven attention is part of what contributed to Bill's leaving the band, so I don't know.


For sure. This sudden surge in his popularity among younger people and kids because of the Pirates movies only adds to it. If the original Jack Sparrow is cool enough to get a parodic character played by a stellar actor -complete with boozy behaviour -in an extremely succesful movie, what might some start to think that same lifestyle will get them?

Keef deserves every single ounce of his legend.

heartbeatocean said:

Ah. Gotcha.

Did Mick forget to introduce himself at your show too?

I love Jagger, and not just for his surprising in-person sex appeal either. (really did not expect him to have that effect)

As for Wyman, I'd always heard that his departure had more to do with being tired of dragging his ass around the world every couple of years and being well-content with the millions he'd already accumulated.

Ace said:

I heard it was a fear of flying.

Talk is Cheap is one of the best rock albums I've ever heard. I like it better than anything the Stones ever put out so he is a legend but very underrated.

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meow85 said:

I don't remember him introducing himself, so probably.

I did think it was kind of silly that Keith got so much applause. It was kind of like everyone saying, "Congratulations! You're still alive!" I don't think they were necessarily applauding only because of his musical contribution, but just how far he's made it against the odds. Something that I don't think needs be admired actually.

meow85 said:

I know! He's still hot!!!!

a rock legend. Watch "Gimme Shelter" sometime. Watch as the Stones begin playing "sympathy for the Devil" at altamont, and when the hell's angels start beating people up, Keif shouts into the mike "if that cat there doesn't stop it.."...and pulls off his guitar, ready to take the angels on. what other musician would do that?...not many.

keith richards was pretty much the music behind the stones, from the riffs to the orchestration to what ever , so if your gonna question his worth then you obviously dont know!

meow85 said:

Well, Ronnie was a latecomer to the party and considers himself lucky to be there (as well he should) and, by all accounts, Watts was never much of one for the limelight. As for Wyman, I'd always heard that his departure had more to do with being tired of dragging his ass around the world every couple of years and being well-content with the millions he'd already accumulated.
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Shapeshifter said:

Mick's the underrated one. That's not to diminish Keith's role - he is, after all, the architect of the sound (I-IV in an open tuning) that's most identified with the band - but Jagger's written more of the music than most people think. To me, it also says something about their writing dynamic that, on Keith's solo records, he prefers to work with a collaborator.

As for Richards' lifestyle, he's probably done more to romanticize smoking, drugging and boozing than anyone. Unfortunately, most who attempt to emulate him in this regard do not possess the same constitution and/or luck (and, of course, he's also toned down his ways considerably since the Toronto bust). The smoking will catch up with him eventually, though. :guydyingoflungcancer:

Ace said:

I also think that Jagger is underrated. Many people may not know that he plays many instruments on Stones records starting in the late seventies when he started playing the guitar. He also plays harmonica,keyboards,percussion on occasion and other various instruments. Its true that he is in no way a master on any of these instruments the way Prince is on the instruments he plays, but give Jagger some credit since he could have easily just decided to be a frontman and leave all the other work to Keith and the others but he has chosen to try to learn and play various things to try to add something to his band's sound so in that I certainly applaud his efforts.

heartbeatocean said:

He's aged, but I think the biggest strike against him is really just that he's not terribly photogenic. He looks so much better in person, it's stunning. I'd do him.

keith richards was pretty much the music behind the stones, from the riffs to the orchestration to what ever , so if your gonna question his worth then you obviously dont know!

meow85 said:

His charisma is insane. I had no idea, even though I was big fan before I saw him in person.