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Thread started 12/04/06 9:42pm

PurpleJam

Keith Richards-Rock Legend or Overrated?

Many people seem to have strong opinions either way concerning Keith. Many feel that through his many influences that he has helped define what Rock and Roll is and the whole lifestyle as it were while others dismiss him as being an overrated hack whose personal life supercedes what he has actually accomplished musically throughout his carrear.

What are your opinions about one of the most well-known icons of Rock and Roll?

To me, he will alway deserve at least some credit for the defining riff on 'Satisfaction' and for creating one of the greatest opening sounds of a song in rock history, 'Gimme Shelter'.
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Reply #1 posted 12/04/06 11:51pm

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PurpleJam said:

Many people seem to have strong opinions either way concerning Keith. Many feel that through his many influences that he has helped define what Rock and Roll is and the whole lifestyle as it were while others dismiss him as being an overrated hack whose personal life supercedes what he has actually accomplished musically throughout his carrear.

What are your opinions about one of the most well-known icons of Rock and Roll?

To me, he will alway deserve at least some credit for the defining riff on 'Satisfaction' and for creating one of the greatest opening sounds of a song in rock history, 'Gimme Shelter'.
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Gee, Mr Jam, are you trying to start fires or something ... ? lol

Keith's "legend" is pretty much assured, but he's been on cruise-control for years though.
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Reply #2 posted 12/04/06 11:57pm

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both.
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Reply #3 posted 12/05/06 12:03am

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Shapeshifter said:

PurpleJam said:

Many people seem to have strong opinions either way concerning Keith. Many feel that through his many influences that he has helped define what Rock and Roll is and the whole lifestyle as it were while others dismiss him as being an overrated hack whose personal life supercedes what he has actually accomplished musically throughout his carrear.

What are your opinions about one of the most well-known icons of Rock and Roll?

To me, he will alway deserve at least some credit for the defining riff on 'Satisfaction' and for creating one of the greatest opening sounds of a song in rock history, 'Gimme Shelter'.
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Gee, Mr Jam, are you trying to start fires or something ... ? lol

Keith's "legend" is pretty much assured, but he's been on cruise-control for years though.



Of course not, I am just stating the opinions that many people have made about Keith over time. And as I mentioned, I believe that 'Gimme Shelter' has some of the greatest most understated lead guitar lines in rock music history.
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Reply #4 posted 12/05/06 12:25am

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are you kidding?
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Reply #5 posted 12/05/06 1:36am

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Poster-child for drug abuse survivor, but you can't deny his excellence at guitar (and I'm not a Stones fan in the slightest).
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Reply #6 posted 12/05/06 5:58am

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PFunkjazz said:

Poster-child for drug abuse survivor, but you can't deny his excellence at guitar (and I'm not a Stones fan in the slightest).



And poster-child for the life-affirming powers of alcoholism.
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Reply #7 posted 12/05/06 10:47am

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Well, he did co-write virtually every Stones song!
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Reply #8 posted 12/05/06 12:14pm

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Shapeshifter said:

PFunkjazz said:

Poster-child for drug abuse survivor, but you can't deny his excellence at guitar (and I'm not a Stones fan in the slightest).



And poster-child for the life-affirming powers of alcoholism.


and falling out of coconut trees!
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Reply #9 posted 12/05/06 12:16pm

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Wasn't Rock and Roll well DEFINED before the Stones came along?
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Reply #10 posted 12/05/06 1:35pm

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Graycap23 said:

Wasn't Rock and Roll well DEFINED before the Stones came along?


and The Beatles & Hendrix too, but maybe there's always room for new definitions

Keith is hugely influenced by Chuck Berry, but he doesn't sound much like him to me. His riffs are much weirder. Simple but hard to play.
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Reply #11 posted 12/05/06 1:43pm

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PFunkjazz said:

Poster-child for drug abuse survivor, but you can't deny his excellence at guitar (and I'm not a Stones fan in the slightest).



...At least he admits to basing a portion of his style on Chuck Berry riffs.


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Reply #12 posted 12/05/06 2:43pm

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Graycap23 said:

Wasn't Rock and Roll well DEFINED before the Stones came along?



No one is saying that the stones started or were the first rock and roll act, but what they added to the whole artform was enormous and highly influential to many who came after them.
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Reply #13 posted 12/05/06 2:44pm

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PurpleJam said:

Graycap23 said:

Wasn't Rock and Roll well DEFINED before the Stones came along?



No one is saying that the stones started or were the first rock and roll act, but what they added to the whole artform was enormous and highly influential to many who came after them.



Just checking. It was implied in a couple of posts.
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Reply #14 posted 12/05/06 3:09pm

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Graycap23 said:

Wasn't Rock and Roll well DEFINED before the Stones came along?


No. No. No.
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Reply #15 posted 12/05/06 5:15pm

PurpleJam

Also, cant forget about his great star performance on 'Monkey Man'. Special mention must also go to Nicky Hopkins for his gorgeous piano intro on that track.
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I was at the Stones show in Vancouver a few weeks ago, and if there was ever any doubt in my mind of the Coolness of Keith, it's gone now. He's got that indefinable Something that most people only wish they had. When Mick took his turns at introducing everyone on stage to the audience (as if we didn't know who's show we were at. Maybe it was to remind himself? lol) Keith received a standing ovation that lasted well over 5 minutes. The guy just stood there with his hands in his pockets, looking at his feet. When the crowd finally started to settle down, he said "I don't know what to say...or do....must be the brain damage."


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Reply #17 posted 12/05/06 11:23pm

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meow85 said:

I was at the Stones show in Vancouver a few weeks ago, and if there was ever any doubt in my mind of the Coolness of Keith, it's gone now. He's got that indefinable Something that most people only wish they had. When Mick took his turns at introducing everyone on stage to the audience (as if we didn't know who's show we were at. Maybe it was to remind himself? lol) Keith received a standing ovation that lasted well over 5 minutes. The guy just stood there with his hands in his pockets, looking at his feet. When the crowd finally started to settle down, he said "I don't know what to say...or do....must be the brain damage."


thumbs up!


I remember that too. Keith got way, way, way more applause than anyone else in the band. It just went on and on. Thanks for reminding me, I forgot about that.
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heartbeatocean said:

meow85 said:

I was at the Stones show in Vancouver a few weeks ago, and if there was ever any doubt in my mind of the Coolness of Keith, it's gone now. He's got that indefinable Something that most people only wish they had. When Mick took his turns at introducing everyone on stage to the audience (as if we didn't know who's show we were at. Maybe it was to remind himself? lol) Keith received a standing ovation that lasted well over 5 minutes. The guy just stood there with his hands in his pockets, looking at his feet. When the crowd finally started to settle down, he said "I don't know what to say...or do....must be the brain damage."


thumbs up!


I remember that too. Keith got way, way, way more applause than anyone else in the band. It just went on and on. Thanks for reminding me, I forgot about that.


You were there too? omfg



But your profile says you're in Cali...? confuse

Well, that's cool anyway. smile


Was I imagining things, or does Jagger have a tramp stamp now? And more importantly -WHY? confused
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Reply #19 posted 12/07/06 10:39am

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meow85 said:

heartbeatocean said:



I remember that too. Keith got way, way, way more applause than anyone else in the band. It just went on and on. Thanks for reminding me, I forgot about that.


You were there too? omfg



But your profile says you're in Cali...? confuse

Well, that's cool anyway. smile


Was I imagining things, or does Jagger have a tramp stamp now? And more importantly -WHY? confused


No. lol I saw a different show in St. Paul, Minnesota in 2004. But they did the same thing. Mick went around and introduced each member of the band and when it came to Keith, the crowd just went nuts and he just had to stand with his hands in his pockets, so to speak, forever it seemed, shrugging and smiling. His applause lasted way longer than the applause for the other guys. lol
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Reply #20 posted 12/07/06 10:40am

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Overrated.
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Reply #21 posted 12/07/06 11:15am

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Dig Mick.....don't get the love 4 Keith.
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stopHATING said:

Overrated.


I co-sign that
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Reply #23 posted 12/07/06 11:39am

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Graycap23 said:

Dig Mick.....don't get the love 4 Keith.



Very good point. Jagger was the one who took the band forward, got them experimenting with different music styles (disco, funk, even hip hop), trying new things, all of which kept them vital and relevant. He's written most of their best songs from about 1973 onwards. He's the showman and the business brains.

Had it been for Keith, The Stones would sound like a older, slightly more credible version of Status Quo, recycling the same Berryesque riffs, with some blues, country and a dash of reggae thrown in.

I actually prefer Jagger.
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Reply #24 posted 12/07/06 12:36pm

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BeneHaze said:

stopHATING said:

Overrated.


I co-sign that



Mick is cool as hell. But, Keith is the ANDREW to George Michaels WHAM ?
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stopHATING said:

BeneHaze said:



I co-sign that



Mick is cool as hell. But, Keith is the ANDREW to George Michaels WHAM ?


as a performer maybe (though rumors are that Andrew's guitar was unplugged!)

but Keith co-wrote every song!
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Reply #26 posted 12/07/06 1:00pm

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Keef deserves every single ounce of his legend.
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Reply #27 posted 12/07/06 2:14pm

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NDRU said:

stopHATING said:




Mick is cool as hell. But, Keith is the ANDREW to George Michaels WHAM ?


as a performer maybe (though rumors are that Andrew's guitar was unplugged!)

but Keith co-wrote every song!



Hahaha ! I could've figured it was unplugged, and rightfully so.
but, that's not to say that I don't like Keith...just he's overrated.
I still have respect for the "Glimmer Twins"
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stopHATING said:

NDRU said:



as a performer maybe (though rumors are that Andrew's guitar was unplugged!)

but Keith co-wrote every song!



Hahaha ! I could've figured it was unplugged, and rightfully so.
but, that's not to say that I don't like Keith...just he's overrated.
I still have respect for the "Glimmer Twins"


gotcha, and yes he's probably over-rated. How could anyone at his level not be?
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Reply #29 posted 12/07/06 4:26pm

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NDRU said:

stopHATING said:




Hahaha ! I could've figured it was unplugged, and rightfully so.
but, that's not to say that I don't like Keith...just he's overrated.
I still have respect for the "Glimmer Twins"


gotcha, and yes he's probably over-rated. How could anyone at his level not be?



Right ?!?!
There's sooooo many more folks that ARE overrated, these boards would shut down.
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