What does that line mean?

he believes the day existed?

or the him that existed yesterday had belief?

I'm not sure what it means,
but I'm noticing that for the past 3 days, there have been no new pics of Britney's coochie.

No matter how much you believe,
yesterday can fade pretty fast.

Illustrator said:

yesterday came suddenly. Why she had to go? I don't know.

He believes (in the way his life was)...yesterday

All my troubles seemed so far away

Love was such an easy game to play

Suddenly, i'm not half the man I used to be

etc.


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theAudience said:

kind of what I figured. yesterday was good; a life he could believe in

but do you think it's a good line? It's good enough obviously, but does it really make sense, or do you just "know what he means?"

NDRU said:

I think he lays the scenario out well enough within the song to make the phrase work.


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theAudience said:

Millions of people obviously agree with you.

I have trouble sometimes with lyrics that I've known my whole life. When I learned them as a child, I didn't think of the actual meanings. The sounds formed images in my head that often had nothing to do with the meaning.

It's hard to approach them objectively after all this time.

That particular line (as written) made more sense to me when I was younger.

NDRU said:

Maybe at that moment, the past was a much kinder memory to the character.


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theAudience said:

Well said. It's one of those songs I can only listen to when I'm in a good state of mind. Otherwise, it makes a basketcase of me.

It means he simply wishes it were still yesterday, that life could stop at yesterday. I think the "I believe in" is tongue-in-cheek ironic, because what was real is obviously now a fantasy. It's a fantastic line because it has a bitter edge to it and is irreducible, can't be taken literally or understood at face value. Nobody can believe in yesterday unless they have their head in the sand. And to actually verbalize that you believe in yesterday, means you knowingly accept that your head is in the sand, which is sad, sorry state. Sorrier than the reality of today, actually.

heartbeatocean said:

I think you're on to something.

Interesting. It's like he's saying he believes in something that is no longer real, something that is gone, and will never return.

In that line "yesterday" is actually a metaphor for ended love

And normally we believe in tomorrow, so it's also a very sad line.
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NDRU said:

Also,
having your head in the sand will always leave you with a gritty taste in your mouth.

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I like the fact that no one mentions his name in this thread.
Anyway, I don't care what people say about it, cliché, sentimental etc.. I think it's a great song and I love the Blackbird/Yesterday combo on LOVE.

NDRU said:

exactly. It's incredibly sad.

Illustrator said:

that too

NDRU said:

That's an interesting take hbo.

The argument I might pose against that is that I don't hear irony in his performance, it's more forelorn.


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theAudience said:

yeah, I agree the feel of the song isn't exactly ironic. I guess maybe she means that it's ironic to believe something that can by definition never be real again

NDRU said:

I'll go along with that.


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theAudience said:

Not ironic in terms of the song character but from the point of view of the song writer perhaps? What's interesting about the lyrics is that it has that knowing/unknowing quality at the same time. Either "he" knows he has his head in the sand and chooses it thus (which is interesting) or the "he" doesn't realize it because he is so lost in the fantasy of it -- but we know it as listeners or the creator of the song knows it (which is also interesting because we can see what "he" can't see) It has all these levels to it, which creates a sense of irony or a second self or includes the dimension of the listener. Just as listeners we have a particular role here.

Soooo...do you think the character "he" of the song is aware of his own delusion? Do you think he cares?

Ok...so this thread isn't about EnVogue?

heartbeatocean said:

I think "he's" so love-sick that "he's" beyond rational thought and just doesn't care.


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SexyBeautifulOne said:

Nope, The Beatles...

SexyBeautifulOne said:

It is about a song they sang.

This thread has given me more on an answer than I thought it would. I never thought the line made literal sense, but maybe it does.

If he really meant what we've been talking about, I have even more respect for the song and for Paul.

It reminds me of the scene in Agnes of God where Agnes says, "I don't believe in the baby." When every one else knows she gave birth to it.

heartbeatocean said:

or when people tell me to believe in myself, when I know I'm bound to be a loser

NDRU said:

oh, STOP

the truth is, with certain things, we can choose to believe

heartbeatocean said:

I keed, I keed!

NDRU said:

Self-fulfulling prophecy...


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theAudience said:

s'just a joke!

NDRU said: