CinisterCee said:

Around 82-83. Rick James was Motown's main artist at this point and for that alone, he should have been on Motown 25.

As for Teena, she already had to sue Gordy in order to get out of her contract with Motown (BTW, she was with Epic Records by then to release Robbery). The story behind The Teena Marie Rule is a thread in itself.

TonyVanDam said:

I've never heard of this, and I never understood how Motown could let her out of a contract.

Mightas well jack this dead-ass thread, everyone's already seen the Diana push and moved on.

CinisterCee said:

Because she sued their asses! She was only getting like $100/week for the 6 years she was at Motown. So the Teena Marie Rule is that labels need to pay their artists a minimum of $6000/year (inflation-unadjusted for back in the day).

VoicesCarry said:

That should pay for a lovely, erm, shack.

CinisterCee said:

It was *still* less than she was getting, lmao!

Yeah really, Teena needs groceries.

Almost everyone at Motown got fucked except Berry Gordy. Diana Ross had a few hundred thousand dollars that was hers when she left Motown.

All those dresses, all the promotional setups for The Supremes, all the PR was charged DIRECTLY to their accounts, not to Motown A&R. Motown handled the tax returns of ALL artists. Gordy cheated folks out of royalties by logging first pressings as cutouts to distributors.

The downfall of Motown, really, was because Gordy and a few corporate execs were taking ALL the cash once the label was in LA, and it had become a corporation instead of people who wanted to make music.
[Edited 12/3/06 14:54pm]

VoicesCarry said:

Also within that rule, no record label is allow to keep an artist on their roster if the label excutives refused to release anymore albums from THAT artist.

Teena has always said that albums like Robbery, Starchild, & Emerald City were the type of albums that she weren't allow to make for Motown!
[Edited 12/3/06 14:52pm]

VoicesCarry said:

However, all production of Rick James' music videos were pay for by Berry Gordy, not Motown. Interesting, Berry couldn't cheat Rick out of anything because the MTV/BET-era change to rules of promotions.

whatsgoingon said:

you're not serious about this..... are you?

Scrapluv said:

Yes, this is true!

But they were performing on Diana! her 1970 special.

CinisterCee said:

How many of her projects have the name "DIANA"? Didn't she have like 10 albums with that title?

VoicesCarry said:

There's no better name,

Shapeshifter said:

Amen to that! That album kicks so much ass.

VoicesCarry said:

Yeah, it always struck me as a little disturbing the way she pulled little Michael out of the way. And I always thought it was funny how that clip was included in The Legend Continues - that whole section on Diana seemed to be there to make her look bad (saying she didn't actually 'discover' the J5 at all and was just a marketing at all).

leecaldon said:

It was to explain his plastic surgery!

http://youtube.com/watch?v=prpUkeD4JSk

Harlepolis said:

Aaah, I can fill that void for you.


tA

Tribal Disorder

http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431

how was that so long ago? geez...the pop music landscape really has taken a nosedive. and i say pop music because that's what this was, popular music.

sallysassalot said:

Well, it's still POPULAR, but you can't really classify it as MUSIC.

leecaldon said:

no, I saw the same clip a long time ago. It wasn't even CLOSE to the motown 25 incident and shouldn't even be mentioned in the same content. I perceived her pulling michael out of the way in the same manner they did in this clip.

http://www.youtube.com/wa...ed&search=

Nothing serious, just comedy

Norman Whitefield, Lamont Dozier, Clarence Paul, Valerie and Nick and most of the all the Funk Brothers are the MOST suffered ones when it comes to royalties becoz they were the ones who defined the Motown sound, NOT the Motown artists.

As for the unedited version, it was aired in the early 80's in alot of news reports.

That footage is from the rerun,,not the original airing.

And speaking of MJ & Diane.

Is it me or is that WHOLE Holly-Outta-The Universe-Friendship was a Motown orchestration?

Something about these 2 don't sit well with me. Like everything's calculated. Then again, almost everything about Motown was calculated.

Harlepolis said:

even when the Jacksons left Motown she still put him in the Wiz and had him at her concerts and shows...

lilgish said:

It was all bullshit at the beginning. Diana didn't discover the Jackson 5 in any way, but Berry Gordy thought up that publicity scheme. A LOT of people were pissed that she took credit for it, even though it really wasn't her fault. Michael was forced to make all the statements about how the J5 never would have gotten anywhere if it wasn't for Diana blah blah blah.

VoicesCarry said:

who you tellin' it...


namely Gladys Knight.

Yeah, least he got a common sense recently and started to give Gladys Knight the props. Long overdue, but hey

favorite mj/diana moments

http://www.youtube.com/wa...ny5mc5qDx0 starting at 6:00
http://www.youtube.com/wa...MzDZqPEqLk
http://www.youtube.com/wa...gWVGx55Abo at 2:00
http://www.youtube.com/wa...xAghdWOtC4

lilgish said:

Crazy ol' heffa and sporting that platinum blonde wig,,,she must've finished watching Girl 6.

Harlepolis said:

The only reason he and Diana are still together is because he developed that weird fascination with her. Since this flattered her humongous ego, Diana kept his ass around.