For example, in Ciara's "Promise", there is a great vocal hook that comes at the END of the song (the last 20 seconds or so) that just FADES AWAY, yet it is my favorite part of the damn song.

Others?

I know exactly what you mean. There've been a few songs like that but I canvt think of any. Makes me think they're in the studio going 'this part is really hot, let's end it here'.

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I've felt that way about too many songs in the last 26 years or so....growing up, I would hear part of a song and go, "Why didn't they keep that goin?!?" , or "why didn't they ride that out for awhile, before fading?!? In fact, that started me making my own push-button mixes of songs back in the late 70's- early 80's, back before cassette machines had automatic pause buttons, I was like, "Shit, I'll make my own version of the song,!!!! .

I always wondered if this is how all the beatmakers from Pete Rock to Dilla got started....



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paligap said:

You know, that's a double-edged sword. Many times, that makes the song.
Especially when it was purposely done within the arrangement to give the song that extra lift.

I can't think of any really good examples at the moment, but some things in the SD song list will probably come to mind.

Just thought of one.
There's a section in P.Y.T (2:25). (Pretty young things now repeat after me.).
The groove that part is riding on could've been a tune by itself.


tA

Tribal Disorder

http://www.soundclick.com...dID=182431

paligap said:

It came from Grandmaster Flash extending the hot parts of songs with two copies of the same record.

I know I started by doing my own edits, extending parts that were underused.

VoicesCarry said:

I'll be waitin-waitin waitin-waitin

On Todd Rundgren's Utopia, that opening groove on "Freedom Fighters" is so awesome. I wish that bit could have gone on for longer. It sounds like something Prince would go on to do later actually.

The new fergie song, that part in the middle where she comes out of the cake or whatever it is. What song did she sample that part from?

hellomoto said:

During will.i.am's rap? "It's More Fun To Compute" by Kraftwerk.

CinisterCee said:

no the part before that, the lyrics go like this

Baby, baby, baby
If you really want me
Honey get some patience
Maybe then you'll get a taste

I'll be tasty, tasty, I'll be laced with lacey
It's so tasty, tasty, It'll make you crazy

hellomoto said:

Oh hell no.

CinisterCee said:

do you know if its a sample, the music to that part is really good

hellomoto said:

Not sure what the original is from, but Fergie's is based on "Give It All You Got" by Afro-Rican. It's a sample of a sample.

ohh....music samples.right up my alley!

i'm suprised nobody used any of the instrumentals from the "to live and die in la" soundtrack yet. i just got it. and even though its a little over 21 years old it still sounds as though it came out yesterday.
[Edited 12/1/06 9:00am]

Lonestar's Amazed - the radio edit does not include that wonderful eight-bar hook at the beginning that actually made me like the song in the first place.

fms said:

Oh yeah there's a shit load of radio edits or shorter versions that messed songs up (not all of them - some of em really did need an edit).

The first two that come to mind are:

The synth riff at the beginning of the album version of Janet Jackson's "Pleasure Principle". I always thought it should have been repeated somewhere else later on. In the 12" version, it's moved from the beginning to the middle, but each time, it only appears once.

The opening riff of Starpoint's "Restless". I loved that part. In the 12" version it's a little longer, but still appears nowehere else in the song.

Another cool intro is in the Banshees single "Shadowtime". I always felt that opening synth line should have underlined each chorus. But like in the other songs I mentioned, it's one and done.

Borderline by Madonna, I love the final of the song da, da, da, da, and then all ends...should be 1 minute longer....

The ending to "Forever In My Life".

The dog siren part of Prince's Blacksweat.

sosgemini said:

Misused?

CinisterCee said:

Never Know by Mint Condition has this hook at the end that I love.


Raphael Saadiq has a wicked beat at the end of Live Without You that far outshines the rest of the song.

Prince's Joint to Joint is great at the beginning. I made an edit myself to cut out the rest.

CinisterCee said:

Absolutely, that acustic guitar!