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Reply #120 posted 11/28/06 5:54pm

theAudience

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Giovanni777 said:

...but going back 2 the subject of singers sounding like they R in a talent show, and over-blowing all the time... No sense of building the emotion through dynamics, etc...

Just listen 2 Mary Mary's "Yesterday"...

Sounds like there R some singers out there, doing it right...

1st U must look at this thread:

http://www.prince.org/msg/8/209712

Find the song. Listen 2 it, if U haven't yet heard it.

Peace.
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Great tune.

I'm afraid you'd lose a lot of folks at the end of the 2nd verse.
As soulfully and skillfully as she turned that note, she'd get the over-singing label from some. shrug


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Reply #121 posted 11/28/06 6:24pm

Scorpion

Those MaryMary sisters GET DOWN, I've seen them live! They would definitely be classified as "oversingers" to many of ya'll...especially Tina (redhead) who just been screaming lately.
tho' I battled blind
love is a fate resigned
memories mar my mind
love it is a fate resigned

Over futile odds
and laughed at by the Gods
and now the final frame
Love is a losing game
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Reply #122 posted 11/28/06 6:56pm

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Scorpion said:

Those MaryMary sisters GET DOWN, I've seen them live! They would definitely be classified as "oversingers" to many of ya'll...especially Tina (redhead) who just been screaming lately.


Maybe so... But from the recorded version at least, they R on point, and the build-up is tastefully done.

BUT... Since U seen 'em live, and I haven't, I don't know about Tina (redhead) screaming gratuitously. That's just 2 damn bad, if it's so, but she'll get over it. When U play live, U should always check yourself in review, and better yourself, so she will, if that's so.

U gotta admit, the voice and the phrasing, all the way through the song, stand up 2 many classic R&B and Gospel songs... at least in a "this is way it's supposed 2 be done", respectful kind-of way, where the passion isn't contrived, but real.
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Reply #123 posted 11/28/06 7:13pm

StillDirrty

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VoicesCarry said:



I would have to agree with you on this. She has not yet learned how to sing softly.

I really don't think she could if she tried. lol

She already showed that she could
http://www.supload.com/li...Ghf644jUrq
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Reply #124 posted 11/28/06 7:33pm

cheyenne

I just never dug Christina's voice...it's her "tone" or something that grates my ears...and so when she starts yelling I really feel assaulted.
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Reply #125 posted 11/28/06 7:36pm

VoicesCarry

StillDirrty said:

minneapolisgenius said:


I really don't think she could if she tried. lol

She already showed that she could
http://www.supload.com/li...Ghf644jUrq
[Edited 11/28/06 19:32pm]


Didn't work for me.

Regardless, if she CAN, she should DO IT A HELL OF A LOT MORE.
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Reply #126 posted 11/28/06 7:40pm

StillDirrty

^Well it's hella annoying to hear someone sing in falsetto the whole time not to mention just as damaging to your voice. Justin should know. He had to have his nodules removed because of the way that he sings.
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Reply #127 posted 11/28/06 7:42pm

VoicesCarry

StillDirrty said:

^Well it's hella annoying to hear someone sing in falsetto the whole time not to mention just as damaging to your voice. Justin should know. He had to have his nodules removed because of the way that he sings.


I'm not talking falsetto, I'm talking about not yelling.

I would like to hear her sing Hurt in a soft voice with a lot of emotion.
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Reply #128 posted 11/28/06 7:43pm

StillDirrty

VoicesCarry said:

StillDirrty said:

^Well it's hella annoying to hear someone sing in falsetto the whole time not to mention just as damaging to your voice. Justin should know. He had to have his nodules removed because of the way that he sings.


I'm not talking falsetto, I'm talking about not yelling.

Well I don't know what to tell you because she has a lot of songs on her album where she isn't. Same with Stripped.
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Reply #129 posted 11/28/06 7:46pm

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StillDirrty said:

VoicesCarry said:



I'm not talking falsetto, I'm talking about not yelling.

Well I don't know what to tell you because she has a lot of songs on her album where she isn't. Same with Stripped.


I own all her albums. Her tone always sounds like she is yelling to me, even when she tries to lower the volume. Now I don't mind, but I would like to see her branch out in terms of her vocals a bit. Cyndi Lauper can yell (Money Changes Everything) but she can also do True Colors. Christina doing True Colors would be good practice.
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Reply #130 posted 11/28/06 7:51pm

StillDirrty

VoicesCarry said:

StillDirrty said:


Well I don't know what to tell you because she has a lot of songs on her album where she isn't. Same with Stripped.


I own all her albums. Her tone always sounds like she is yelling to me, even when she tries to lower the volume. Now I don't mind, but I would like to see her branch out in terms of her vocals a bit. Cyndi Lauper can yell (Money Changes Everything) but she can also do True Colors. Christina doing True Colors would be good practice.

Well then I'm pretty sure that you've heard Without You. Her vocals are soft throughout the whole song. If it was a song like Makes Me Wanna Pray or Mercy On Me I can understand the yelling.
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Reply #131 posted 11/28/06 7:57pm

VoicesCarry

StillDirrty said:

VoicesCarry said:



I own all her albums. Her tone always sounds like she is yelling to me, even when she tries to lower the volume. Now I don't mind, but I would like to see her branch out in terms of her vocals a bit. Cyndi Lauper can yell (Money Changes Everything) but she can also do True Colors. Christina doing True Colors would be good practice.

Well then I'm pretty sure that you've heard Without You. Her vocals are soft throughout the whole song. If it was a song like Makes Me Wanna Pray or Mercy On Me I can understand the yelling.


Without You was a step in the right direction. BUT I think she really really missed the boat on Hurt because that thing would have been so much more emotionally powerful if she'd sung it softly.

I am sure she will eventually find a balance in her vocals. Back To Basics is easily her best record yet.
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Reply #132 posted 11/28/06 8:06pm

StillDirrty

VoicesCarry said:

StillDirrty said:


Well then I'm pretty sure that you've heard Without You. Her vocals are soft throughout the whole song. If it was a song like Makes Me Wanna Pray or Mercy On Me I can understand the yelling.


Without You was a step in the right direction. BUT I think she really really missed the boat on Hurt because that thing would have been so much more emotionally powerful if she'd sung it softly.

I am sure she will eventually find a balance in her vocals. Back To Basics is easily her best record yet.
[Edited 11/28/06 19:58pm]

I can see what you are saying. Well she does read her reviews so I'm pretty sure that she'll take their words into account. At the same time I have no problem with her showing her range. As long as there is no extreme use of melismas in it. I mean the interlude Welcome is easily one of the best songs she's ever done. I find it far superior to Hurt. Anyway she said that she was going to do "futuristic" next, (whatever that means) so I don't think that type of music would encourage the extreme melisma use that she usually ventures to.
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Reply #133 posted 11/28/06 8:10pm

VoicesCarry

StillDirrty said:

VoicesCarry said:



Without You was a step in the right direction. BUT I think she really really missed the boat on Hurt because that thing would have been so much more emotionally powerful if she'd sung it softly.

I am sure she will eventually find a balance in her vocals. Back To Basics is easily her best record yet.
[Edited 11/28/06 19:58pm]

I can see what you are saying. Well she does read her reviews so I'm pretty sure that she'll take their words into account. At the same time I have no problem with her showing her range. As long as there is no extreme use of melismas in it. I mean the interlude Welcome is easily one of the best songs she's ever done. I find it far superior to Hurt. Anyway she said that she was going to do "futuristic" next, (whatever that means) so I don't think that type of music would encourage the extreme melisma use that she usually ventures to.


I think the album is on the whole fantastic, if a bit overlong. I am glad that she tried something so different. Now I didn't like ANOM, but most of the rest of the songs are much, much better. Understand is my jam, although I find the vocal sample unnecessary and distracting - it would have been beautiful on its own.

I also like the visual themes she has come up with for the album and how she is carrying through with them for the entire project. This is rarely done today.
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Reply #134 posted 11/28/06 8:16pm

StillDirrty

VoicesCarry said:

StillDirrty said:


I can see what you are saying. Well she does read her reviews so I'm pretty sure that she'll take their words into account. At the same time I have no problem with her showing her range. As long as there is no extreme use of melismas in it. I mean the interlude Welcome is easily one of the best songs she's ever done. I find it far superior to Hurt. Anyway she said that she was going to do "futuristic" next, (whatever that means) so I don't think that type of music would encourage the extreme melisma use that she usually ventures to.


I think the album is on the whole fantastic, if a bit overlong. I am glad that she tried something so different. Now I didn't like ANOM, but most of the rest of the songs are much, much better. Understand is my jam, although I find the vocal sample unnecessary and distracting - it would have been beautiful on its own.

I also like the visual themes she has come up with for the album and how she is carrying through with them for the entire project. This is rarely done today.

I think Understand is a perfect example of what you were saying previously. Besides the bridge I hate that song because of her vocals. They're too harsh and she sounds strained to me. The song that she sampled from, Nearer to You by Betty Harris' is much better in my opinion. I think that she should've used falsetto/head voice a lot more in that song.
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Reply #135 posted 11/28/06 8:18pm

VoicesCarry

StillDirrty said:

VoicesCarry said:



I think the album is on the whole fantastic, if a bit overlong. I am glad that she tried something so different. Now I didn't like ANOM, but most of the rest of the songs are much, much better. Understand is my jam, although I find the vocal sample unnecessary and distracting - it would have been beautiful on its own.

I also like the visual themes she has come up with for the album and how she is carrying through with them for the entire project. This is rarely done today.

I think Understand is a perfect example of what you were saying previously. Besides the bridge I hate that song because of her vocals. They're too harsh and she sounds strained to me. The song that she sampled from, Nearer to You by Betty Harris' is much better in my opinion. I think that she should've used falsetto/head voice a lot more in that song.


nod I agree.
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Reply #136 posted 11/28/06 10:30pm

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That Oprah per4mance & song are horrible.
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Reply #137 posted 11/28/06 11:30pm

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VoicesCarry said:



I hate it, so all this talk of "method to her madness" has no effect on me. And I doubt it will on tA, either lol

i agree with voices sorta i dont "hate her" lol or anything but im no fan really.
i do think shes made some of the most interesting videos ive seen.... n i like oh so quiet the song. oh n when she took that reporter down!
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Reply #138 posted 11/29/06 3:48am

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minneapolisgenius said:

That's why I can't listen to Christina Aguilera. She always just YELLS things. confused




yeah! I've tried 2 listen 2 her last album, and some songs r good...but I can't listen 2 3 songs in a row...it's irritating!!!
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Reply #139 posted 11/29/06 5:18am

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go2theMax said:

minneapolisgenius said:

That's why I can't listen to Christina Aguilera. She always just YELLS things. confused




yeah! I've tried 2 listen 2 her last album, and some songs r good...but I can listen 2 3 songs in a row...it's irritating!!!


I remember that I loved the album when It was release...but after 2 weeks I couldn't stand listening to it!
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Reply #140 posted 11/29/06 5:42am

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Still don't understand how any fan of Bjork can shit on The Dreaming.

Y'all weird.
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Reply #141 posted 11/29/06 5:46am

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VoicesCarry said:

Now see I like Kate Bush (okay, not her last one, which SUCKED - was she serious lol?)


You're shitting me, right? eek
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Reply #142 posted 11/29/06 6:47am

VoicesCarry

Cloudbuster said:

VoicesCarry said:

Now see I like Kate Bush (okay, not her last one, which SUCKED - was she serious lol?)


You're shitting me, right? eek


Sorry, it was terrible. The washing machine song was a fucking joke - she's laughing at her fans.
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Reply #143 posted 11/29/06 7:29am

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VoicesCarry said:

Sorry, it was terrible. The washing machine song was a fucking joke - she's laughing at her fans.


Nah, I'm laughing with her. lol
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Reply #144 posted 11/29/06 9:26am

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(Cues up horn part from "Sweet Soul Music")

Spotlight on Y O y'all.

(Unn) Chilling with John and Paul y'all

It'll make you smoke a puffy.

Oh no oooh noooo.



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Reply #145 posted 11/29/06 2:14pm

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VoicesCarry said:

Cloudbuster said:



You're shitting me, right? eek


Sorry, it was terrible. The washing machine song was a fucking joke - she's laughing at her fans.

One song doesn't ruin a whole album. I think there are tons of great songs on there. shrug
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Reply #146 posted 11/29/06 2:16pm

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Cloudbuster said:

Still don't understand how any fan of Bjork can shit on The Dreaming.

Y'all weird.

Sorry. I love Kate. I just hate that album. It makes me feel like I'm being drawn and quartered. Maybe someday I'll get it.

Remember it took me 5 years to appreciate Choirgirl. wink
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Reply #147 posted 11/29/06 2:19pm

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I was watching Oprah when the Dream Girls cast was on and Beyonce sang "listen". I thought she was incredible but then I thought is it because she's yelling? I know in r&b the louder you sing the better a singer you are consisdered. Why is that? Someone like Kelis will never be considered great because she doesn't scream do those dreadful "runs" that everyone does.
It's not just the pop artists, but the rock bands too. A good example is that Nickelback song when the leads singer screams "IT SOUNDS SOOOOO SWEEEEET!!!!!" UGGGGGHHHHH!
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Reply #148 posted 11/29/06 2:51pm

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All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
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Reply #149 posted 11/30/06 5:39am

Anx

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Still don't understand how any fan of Bjork can shit on The Dreaming.

Y'all weird.


i think it's because most of us suffer the unpardonable crime of not being you.
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