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PrintableCinisterCee said: Sampling is hip-hop. It's all these other genres co-opting hip-hop that's made the technique played out.
Reason #5! It ain't genius. They need a non-sampling revolution. | |
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Well also because in the beginning Rap was a "Leader" and Had "Leaders" within it, everyone from Kool Mo Dee, to DMC, to LL, to Tribe and countless others, the whole idea was to outdo the other one with your "vision", now rappers try to outod with their videos, cars, houses,girls, jewelry etc... The writing is on the wall, time for a change "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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lastdecember said: Well there alot of things that contribute to the lack of vision in Rap and alot of entertainment industry. Money would be one thing, the fact that labels lose money so much these days and the "suits" still make money, everyone is looking for a quick million/hit, so with that as your motive, creativity and vision take a back seat to what "sells". The thing with the whole "selling" thing, is that there isnt medium in music/rap these days, the playing field isnt level, rappers like the Roots and Mos Def will only get played if they got some big ass chick dacning behind them or if they fit the stereo type that has been created. I caught 3 seconds of this Eminem/50 cent/lloyd Banks video and i saw all the stereo types, Lloyd Banks in Jail,50 with a weapon, does this shit ever change. Now the argument will be "thats" a part of black culture, OK, but its the only one you see. Like comedian DL said the other day, i never a black man on NBC unless hes getting indicted for something. And MTV/BET can applaud themselves for playing "black" artists but do they look at the image that 90% have? I reall hate when people say "well it sells", so do drugs,so does porn,etc.. And if the industry did some research, this is why SALES are falling, its not all about downloading, its because people are finally getting a little tired of shit!
 People like better options. That's why they download....legally or illegally. And if that means the fall of the RIAA & the major labels, then so be it I say!  | |
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VoicesCarry said: CinisterCee said: Sampling is hip-hop. It's all these other genres co-opting hip-hop that's made the technique played out.
Reason #5! It ain't genius. They need a non-sampling revolution. I disagree! | |
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CinisterCee said: VoicesCarry said: Reason #5! It ain't genius. They need a non-sampling revolution. I disagree! Say it ain't so, Cinnie! Hip hop will eventually cannibalize itself if they don't start bringing some originality to the table. | |
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VoicesCarry said: TonyVanDam said: Correct! IMO, 3 things happen that was the beginning of the end for mainstream rap: 1. When the major record labels decided to only take the "gangsta" style of rap seriously for the fastest increase in record sales.....meaning all the other styles of rap were excluded from FM Radio, MTV, & BET. 2. When 2pac & Biggie were murder (6 months apart) at the tailend of the east coast VS. west coast rivalry. Why? Because when the war was "over", the dirty south (with NO rules on rhyme skills) was right there to steal the mainstream spotlight and never look back. 3. Too much of  &  in the studio has forever place a typical hip-hop track at a slow tempo of 95 BPM or less! 4. Sampling! Rap was dead long before Biggie & 2Pac died. Biggie was making commercial shit at the end of his life with Diddy! When sampling started to look too much like recycling. You're right! | |
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sallysassalot said: dancerella said: are you serious? people are saying that? that is so dispicable! i should have mentioned that the kids i've heard say things like this have been black kids. i think its a new "black thing," and i can't figure out if that is more or less disturbing than white people saying it. in some ways that might be worse though i wouldn't want to hear anyone say it. you don't hear white people saying "yo i keep it honky" though that would be funny! | |
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VoicesCarry said: CinisterCee said: I disagree! Say it ain't so, Cinnie! Hip hop will eventually cannibalize itself if they don't start bringing some originality to the table. There are ways of showing originality with sampling as a technique, and I implore you to check out instrumental hip-hop such as DJ Shadow's Pre-emptive Strike or J Dilla's Donuts as evidence of this. I think pop acts like Fergie need a non-sampling revolution. | |
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CinisterCee said: Sampling is hip-hop. It's all these other genres co-opting hip-hop that's made the technique played out.
It one thing to sample a guitar riff, a piano chord, a bassline, or even a drum hit. But it something else to take freaking 16+ bars from another artist work and recycle it to a standstill (something that Sean Combs was doing in the 90's).  | |
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TonyVanDam said: CinisterCee said: Sampling is hip-hop. It's all these other genres co-opting hip-hop that's made the technique played out.
It one thing to sample a guitar riff, a piano chord, a bassline, or even a drum hit. But it something else to take freaking 16+ bars from another artist work and recycle it to a standstill (something that Sean Combs was doing in the 90's).  | |
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Which is why I did NOT direct VoicesCarry to listen to Puff Daddy And The Family's No Way Out. | |
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CinisterCee said: TonyVanDam said: 3. Too much of
& in the studio has forever place a typical hip-hop track at a slow tempo of 95 BPM or less! 
http://www.myspace.com/cinistercee When I hear your music, I'm thinking of going to a coffee house. Nice! | |
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CinisterCee said: Which is why I did NOT direct VoicesCarry to listen to Puff Daddy And The Family's No Way Out.
Sean Combs & Ma$e shock me when they use THAT David Bowie sample on Been Around The World. That's the only song I like from that album. | |
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TonyVanDam said: CinisterCee said: Which is why I did NOT direct VoicesCarry to listen to Puff Daddy And The Family's No Way Out.
Sean Combs & Ma$e shock me when they use THAT David Bowie sample on Been Around The World. That's the only song I like from that album. You mean the song that took the hook/title "Been Around the World?" My Legacy
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VoicesCarry said: CinisterCee said: Sampling is hip-hop. It's all these other genres co-opting hip-hop that's made the technique played out.
Reason #5! It ain't genius. They need a non-sampling revolution. And I know the right teacher to lead the way:  | |
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NDRU said: TonyVanDam said: Sean Combs & Ma$e shock me when they use THAT David Bowie sample on Been Around The World. That's the only song I like from that album. You mean the song that took the hook/title "Been Around the World?" They sample David Bowie's Let's Dance. Also sample Lisa Stansfield's vocal melody from Been Around The World. | |
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TonyVanDam said: CinisterCee said: Which is why I did NOT direct VoicesCarry to listen to Puff Daddy And The Family's No Way Out.
Sean Combs & Ma$e shock me when they use THAT David Bowie sample on Been Around The World. That's the only song I like from that album. That's the best song on there. To intellectualize it, the song works fundamentally because it is not that far from a 1984 show with DJ Dr. Rock extending the drums from Orange Krush's "Action" while the Force MCs re-sing a Michael Jackson melody with new lyrics then break into their own verses.  That's hip-hop, AND it's original.
It's a problem when a pop acts like Fergie want to pretend they're hip-hop and water down the genre. | |
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TonyVanDam said: CinisterCee said: When I hear your music, I'm thinking of going to a coffee house. Nice! Thank you  | |
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sallysassalot said: dancerella said: are you serious? people are saying that? that is so dispicable! i should have mentioned that the kids i've heard say things like this have been black kids. i think its a new "black thing," and i can't figure out if that is more or less disturbing than white people saying it. this isn't the new black thing. 
Some ignornant kids maybe saying this because they don't understand what "cooning" is but please don't say its the "new black thing" like wearing the latest jordans or something. I've yet to hear any kid say this. The first I heard that some were saying it was online in an article. So this "trend" hasn't spread and I swear I will shake the hell out of my kid if she even thinks about it. | |
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In rap videos theses day they also seem to exploit women. Most of these rap videos seem like porns or strip shows and plain old showing off the bling bling these days. I like rap sbut some of this crap they put out now is boring as hell.Bling bling ,hoes a$$ shaking and killing. | |
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namepeace said: NDRU said: Another problem is also that maybe the last truly great rapper was 2Pac. What was unique or interesting or challenging becomes stale & homogenous. Unfortunately the greats spawn a whole slew of crap in their wakes. Can't co-sign that at all. Common Mos Def MF Doom Q-Tip Plugs 1 (Kelvin Mercer a/k/a Posdunous) and Plug 2 (Dave a/k/a Trugoy) Guru Ghostface Nas Jay-Z Jeru The Damaja Talib Kweli OutKast The Pharcyde Just a few MCs and groups that have shone brightly since Tupac's untimely death. Where's Fiddy in your list? There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently | |
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VoicesCarry said: I hate rap because of this. Absolutely hate it.
All rap? Or just the current state of it? | |
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jaimestarr79 said: What in the hell is up with these stupid, ignorant, and non-english speaking Dirty South Rappers. Who is buying this stuff! .
every coast during its rap hey day has been looked at as some kind of problem. granted there are problems everywhere and have been for a long time. but you make it sound like rappers from the south are the first ones doing this. surely you own the chronic n doggystyle hardly the most positive hip hop albums out there lol people still love these albums. | |
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Christopher said: surely you own the chronic n doggystyle hardly the most positive hip hop albums out there lol people still love these albums.
lol true! | |
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vainandy said: It was fucked up long before these southern rappers came on the scene. They just came along and put a "country" edge to it.
i guess u can say it all started to go down hill with N,W,A Check it out ...Shiny Toy Guns R gonna blowup VERY soon and bring melody back to music..you heard it here 1st! http://www.myspacecomment...theone.mp3 | |
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CinisterCee said: Christopher said: surely you own the chronic n doggystyle hardly the most positive hip hop albums out there lol people still love these albums.
lol true! 
maybe this is just too much? lol | |
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Christopher said: CinisterCee said: lol true!
maybe this is just too much? lol  | |
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Anyone who thinks a rap video is minstrel show is a racist and probably doesnt even know it. Hip Hop/Rap music today is the modern day "pop" music if you will. You dont see people judging the state of pop or rock msuic white people because of Britney, Paris, Lyndsay Lohan, Fall out boy ....(the list is endless) | |
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twink69 said: Anyone who thinks a rap video is minstrel show is a racist and probably doesnt even know it. Hip Hop/Rap music today is the modern day "pop" music if you will. You dont see people judging the state of pop or rock msuic white people because of Britney, Paris, Lyndsay Lohan, Fall out boy ....(the list is endless)
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twink69 said: Anyone who thinks a rap video is minstrel show is a racist and probably doesnt even know it. Hip Hop/Rap music today is the modern day "pop" music if you will. You dont see people judging the state of pop or rock msuic white people because of Britney, Paris, Lyndsay Lohan, Fall out boy ....(the list is endless)
The problem with your argument is that there are many black people who feel that rap videos are minstrel shows.How can they be "racist"? Yes,hip hop is extremely popular these days,but does this mean that it's okay to degrade women,use the "N" word like it's going out of style,and cuss all throughout the CD? Contrary to what you may think,not every black person agrees with or supports this bullshit. | |
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