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Thread started 11/30/06 6:04pm

PurpleJam

Beatles 'Helter Skelter'

I actually have never heard this song in its entirety but the beginning is really wild when those guitars just start blaring away. Really heavy stuff.
I have heard that many people consider this to be the Beatle's heaviest and most hard rocking song ever and even say that it can be considerd a heavy metal song. Quite impressive for a band that was not really known for rocking out and rocking hard.

Anyone else really dig this song(as they would have said back in the 60s)?
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Reply #1 posted 11/30/06 6:12pm

Sdldawn

it was intended to be the loudest, dirtiest rock song out at the time..

still is in my opinion..


blows me away everytime..
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Reply #2 posted 11/30/06 6:17pm

damosuzuki

Apparently Paul's intent was to show that the Beatles could rock as hard as the Who, or so I've heard.

For years I did not realize that this was a Paul song, and it was really a moment of total cognitive dissonance when I found out that he wrote it. I just never would have thought that he was capable of creating something so raw and hard.
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Reply #3 posted 11/30/06 7:03pm

ufoclub

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Paul was also dirty... "why don't we do it in the road"

I can't believe that young people and non prince fans these days think of Prince as a very safe and rated "G" artist. They don't even know he ever cussed live or on record...

Prince is suffering a not so disimilar misconception as Paul!



PS - But the single version of "Revolution" is rockin too.
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Reply #4 posted 11/30/06 7:12pm

PurpleJam

ufoclub said:

Paul was also dirty... "why don't we do it in the road"

I can't believe that young people and non prince fans these days think of Prince as a very safe and rated "G" artist. They don't even know he ever cussed live or on record...

Prince is suffering a not so disimilar misconception as Paul!



PS - But the single version of "Revolution" is rockin too.



Oh yes Revolution indeed rocks! I would also like to add 'Paperback Writer' to the list. It doesn't sound anywhere near as hard as the other 2 but it does have a very heavy guitar sound in there that I really like.
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Reply #5 posted 11/30/06 7:27pm

Sdldawn

I always look at it like paul was the backbone for the frame of the Beatles.. he was involved in some of the most important parts of the beatles..

even john admitted how strong of a role paul had in the beatles.. he gave it strength
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Reply #6 posted 11/30/06 8:06pm

PurpleJam

Paul always gets crap about his songs being to poppy and sappy but Ive also heard people say what a great bass player he was(is).
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Reply #7 posted 11/30/06 10:19pm

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certainly a great example of how the Beatles could rock hard when they wanted to

Some other examples

Taxman
Paperback Writer
Sgt. Pepper (Reprise)
Good Morning Good Morning
Revolution (single version)
Everbody's Got Something to Hide Except For Me and My monkey
Back In the Ussr
Birthday
The End

Oh and perhaps another "cognitive dissonance" in regards to Paul, though often mistakenly attributed to John, the Beatles' interest in tape collages and Karlheinz Stockhausen actually comes from Paul. In fact the whole tape collage/soundscape on Tomorrow Never Knows, was mostly the work of Paul. In fact there was friction between the two when John came up with "Revolution 9" because he thought it was a much less musical use of his idea and that including it on the white album would cause people to think that John was the innovator when Paul had been the first one to incorporate the technique into the Beatles' music.
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Reply #8 posted 11/30/06 11:25pm

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jacktheimprovident said:

certainly a great example of how the Beatles could rock hard when they wanted to

Some other examples

Taxman
Paperback Writer
Sgt. Pepper (Reprise)
Good Morning Good Morning
Revolution (single version)
Everbody's Got Something to Hide Except For Me and My monkey
Back In the Ussr
Birthday
The End

Oh and perhaps another "cognitive dissonance" in regards to Paul, though often mistakenly attributed to John, the Beatles' interest in tape collages and Karlheinz Stockhausen actually comes from Paul. In fact the whole tape collage/soundscape on Tomorrow Never Knows, was mostly the work of Paul. In fact there was friction between the two when John came up with "Revolution 9" because he thought it was a much less musical use of his idea and that including it on the white album would cause people to think that John was the innovator when Paul had been the first one to incorporate the technique into the Beatles' music.



when the friction should have been that Revolution 9 sucks and doesn't belong on any album, especially that one lol
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Reply #9 posted 11/30/06 11:52pm

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jacktheimprovident said:

certainly a great example of how the Beatles could rock hard when they wanted to

Some other examples

Taxman
Paperback Writer
Sgt. Pepper (Reprise)
Good Morning Good Morning
Revolution (single version)
Everbody's Got Something to Hide Except For Me and My monkey
Back In the Ussr
Birthday
The End

Oh and perhaps another "cognitive dissonance" in regards to Paul, though often mistakenly attributed to John, the Beatles' interest in tape collages and Karlheinz Stockhausen actually comes from Paul. In fact the whole tape collage/soundscape on Tomorrow Never Knows, was mostly the work of Paul. In fact there was friction between the two when John came up with "Revolution 9" because he thought it was a much less musical use of his idea and that including it on the white album would cause people to think that John was the innovator when Paul had been the first one to incorporate the technique into the Beatles' music.

Very good post and well on point. It's scary to think that Helter Skelter ( a song about a rollercoaster) actaully laid a blueprint down in a sick and twisted mind of a Charles Manson. From the Beatles being the 4 horsemen in the Book of Revelations (Revolution?) and Charlie to being the "5th Angel" to Helter Skelter, which was to be a race war against the black man and the white. And in Charlie's fear, the black man would become the victor and "rise" like Paul sung about from this very album in the song "Blackbird". It goes waaay deeper than I mentioned, but that's an all toghether different subject.
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Reply #10 posted 12/01/06 12:19am

ufoclub

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blackguitaristz said:

jacktheimprovident said:

certainly a great example of how the Beatles could rock hard when they wanted to

Some other examples

Taxman
Paperback Writer
Sgt. Pepper (Reprise)
Good Morning Good Morning
Revolution (single version)
Everbody's Got Something to Hide Except For Me and My monkey
Back In the Ussr
Birthday
The End

Oh and perhaps another "cognitive dissonance" in regards to Paul, though often mistakenly attributed to John, the Beatles' interest in tape collages and Karlheinz Stockhausen actually comes from Paul. In fact the whole tape collage/soundscape on Tomorrow Never Knows, was mostly the work of Paul. In fact there was friction between the two when John came up with "Revolution 9" because he thought it was a much less musical use of his idea and that including it on the white album would cause people to think that John was the innovator when Paul had been the first one to incorporate the technique into the Beatles' music.

Very good post and well on point. It's scary to think that Helter Skelter ( a song about a rollercoaster) actaully laid a blueprint down in a sick and twisted mind of a Charles Manson. From the Beatles being the 4 horsemen in the Book of Revelations (Revolution?) and Charlie to being the "5th Angel" to Helter Skelter, which was to be a race war against the black man and the white. And in Charlie's fear, the black man would become the victor and "rise" like Paul sung about from this very album in the song "Blackbird". It goes waaay deeper than I mentioned, but that's an all toghether different subject.


"Piggies" by George Harrison actually calls for "wacking" the rich pigs.
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Reply #11 posted 12/01/06 2:53am

CrozzaUK

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I always look at it like paul was the backbone for the frame of the Beatles.. he was involved in some of the most important parts of the beatles..

even john admitted how strong of a role paul had in the beatles.. he gave it strength


I would say in the beginning, John was definitely the driving force, but somewhere around Help / Rubber Soul he lost interest and Paul became, as you say , the backbone of the group and it was his creative input that shaped most of the Beatles projects.

I Saw Her Standing There ,Long Tall Sally (a cover I know), Cant Buy Me Love, I'm Down, Paperback Writer, Sgt Pepper, Helter Skelter, Back In The USSR, Why Dont We Do It In The Road, Get Back, Birthday, there are loads of Paul rock songs that show he wasn't just doing "granny music" as Lennon himself put it. Its a sad thing that most people dont recognise this though. Probably why he's so paranoid about his legacy. Some casual fans really do think hes only ever done Yesterday and Let It Be.
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Reply #12 posted 12/01/06 3:22am

JesseDezz

Paul can rock hard when he wants to. Everything about "Helter Skelter", from the riff to Paul's crazed vocal is HARD.

Great song that a lot of bands love to perform live, including Bon Jovi:
http://www.youtube.com/wa...LO4g8G-_1Y
[Edited 12/1/06 3:22am]
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