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Thread started 11/16/06 11:13am

paligap

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Would You sign with a Major?

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I'm just curious-- with the industry being what it is right now, If you were (or are) a musician, singer, etc.- given the chance, would you ever sign with a major record label? Is the potential exposure worth all the other pitfalls and drawbacks? or does it depend on the circumstances?





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Reply #1 posted 11/16/06 11:19am

NDRU

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depends on the circumstances, but compared to my crappy office job? definitely! Warner Bros, if you're listening....
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Reply #2 posted 11/16/06 11:20am

Graycap23

Excuse my French but.....HELL NO.
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Reply #3 posted 11/16/06 11:23am

NDRU

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if I could get the kind of contract That Audience pointed out that John Mayer must have. In a second!

Also, Beck had a contract that allowed him to release independent stuff at the same time as his major releases.
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Reply #4 posted 11/16/06 1:29pm

prettymansson

never again
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Reply #5 posted 11/16/06 1:52pm

CinisterCee

Yeah, I could get an advance to pay for an awesome music video, and probably radio play.
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Reply #6 posted 11/16/06 1:58pm

ThePunisher

I've watched enough Behind The Music (Particularly The one about TLC)To know NOT to trust the Majors. I would get legal counsel and have them go over everything i'm being asked to sign. Then I would want it explained to me in a way I could understand. Especially if I were dealing with the likes of P-Diddy, Irv Gotti or Damon Dash. And there is no way in Hades that I would even consider dealing with a Hood Cat like Suge Knight. H*** to Tha NAWWWWW!!
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Reply #7 posted 11/16/06 2:05pm

missmad

IF everything was 50/ them 50 me and I have all creative control and own all my stuff 100%, then yea

IF.....lol
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Reply #8 posted 11/16/06 2:09pm

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Reply #9 posted 11/16/06 3:33pm

NDRU

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ThePunisher said:

I've watched enough Behind The Music (Particularly The one about TLC)To know NOT to trust the Majors. I would get legal counsel and have them go over everything i'm being asked to sign. Then I would want it explained to me in a way I could understand. Especially if I were dealing with the likes of P-Diddy, Irv Gotti or Damon Dash. And there is no way in Hades that I would even consider dealing with a Hood Cat like Suge Knight. H*** to Tha NAWWWWW!!


Definitely a lot of artists get taken advantage of, but if you know better (and they really want you) you might be able to get a good deal from a major.
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Reply #10 posted 11/16/06 4:35pm

NWF

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Only if I can profit from it in the end. And that seems like a very hard thing to do if you're trying to be a serious and challenging artist these days. So until then, indie is the way!
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Reply #11 posted 11/16/06 5:57pm

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paligap said:

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I'm just curious-- with the industry being what it is right now, If you were (or are) a musician, singer, etc.- given the chance, would you ever sign with a major record label? Is the potential exposure worth all the other pitfalls and drawbacks? or does it depend on the circumstances?





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With sites like MySpace, YouTube, Bolt, and even CDBaby, i don't think signing with a major label is necessary anymore. And beside, the 4 major labels may not last another decade.
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Reply #12 posted 11/16/06 6:12pm

Mong

As long as you have singers/musicians who are more interested in being famous than making good music, major labels will exist. It's naive to think that they won't exist in 10 years. Almost all of the distribution companies are owned by major labels. They can force retailers to not stock or stock limited copies of an indie label's release.

I wouldn't sign with a major. It's hard enough to get signed these days, and the amount of acts that get signed yet have no product actually released is extremely high.
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Reply #13 posted 11/16/06 6:23pm

NDRU

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Even Prince still signs with them!
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Reply #14 posted 11/16/06 7:10pm

CinisterCee

Mong said:

As long as you have singers/musicians who are more interested in being famous than making good music, major labels will exist.


That's because public awareness is a good thing when you're making art. thumbs up!
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Reply #15 posted 11/17/06 12:57am

emmi

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missmad said:

IF everything was 50/ them 50 me and I have all creative control and own all my stuff 100%, then yea

IF.....lol


Yeah if that was the deal I would do it too lol I'm just gonna go and ask Warner I'm sure they'll be OK with it wink
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Reply #16 posted 11/17/06 10:05am

Graycap23

missmad said:

IF everything was 50/ them 50 me and I have all creative control and own all my stuff 100%, then yea

IF.....lol


Exactly what does the record company do 2 EARN 50% of your creative effort?
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Reply #17 posted 11/17/06 10:39am

Red

Mong said:

As long as you have singers/musicians who are more interested in being famous than making good music, major labels will exist. It's naive to think that they won't exist in 10 years. Almost all of the distribution companies are owned by major labels. They can force retailers to not stock or stock limited copies of an indie label's release.

I wouldn't sign with a major. It's hard enough to get signed these days, and the amount of acts that get signed yet have no product actually released is extremely high.



Regarding retailers stocking product these days, it is the retailer that dictates to the distributor in most cases. The distributor's RETURN POLICY with the retailer is key and can be the deal breaker for retailers stocking product, especially for newer unestablished bands. Retailers want to unload fast and return anything not selling fast. They are not stocking inventory like they were and new Artists might get 45-60 days depending on the retailers deal with distributor. It's also a buy-in on the label/distributors part these days - where product is displayed. Very costly to have product near cash or 8' from the entrance.
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Reply #18 posted 11/17/06 11:07am

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The major lables have the money and the influence to put your music in heavy rotation on the Clear Channel radio stations.They can also manufacture and ship masss quantities of your CD to Target and Wal-mart.That's a good thing if you want to be a houshold name.

You just need to make sure the deal you sign with a major lable is to your advantage as an artist.So signing with a major is a great if you know the music business.
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Reply #19 posted 11/17/06 11:22am

Graycap23

larryluvlife said:

The major lables have the money and the influence to put your music in heavy rotation on the Clear Channel radio stations.They can also manufacture and ship masss quantities of your CD to Target and Wal-mart.That's a good thing if you want to be a houshold name.

You just need to make sure the deal you sign with a major lable is to your advantage as an artist.So signing with a major is a great if you know the music business.


.....and 4 that effort every $1.00 u make they make $7-$9.
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Reply #20 posted 11/17/06 2:15pm

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No. It would kinda defeat the whole purpose of expressing yourself musically. I guess if I'm truely what they're looking for, then yeah, but if I were a professional musician, I highly doubt I'd appeal to the masses enough to be on a huge label. You sure as hell wouldn't hear me on mixed pop/r&b stations along side Fergie. lol

professional. typing too fast doh!
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Reply #21 posted 11/17/06 2:27pm

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Graycap23 said:

larryluvlife said:

The major lables have the money and the influence to put your music in heavy rotation on the Clear Channel radio stations.They can also manufacture and ship masss quantities of your CD to Target and Wal-mart.That's a good thing if you want to be a houshold name.

You just need to make sure the deal you sign with a major lable is to your advantage as an artist.So signing with a major is a great if you know the music business.


.....and 4 that effort every $1.00 u make they make $7-$9.


unfortunately yes. but if someone doesn't have the means or the funds to do it themselves, they have little options if they want to get their music out there. a friend of mine is having that very problem. his band is very talented and ten times better than the shit you hear nowadays. but they dont have the means or the funds to promote and sell their album. of course they have it up on cd baby, etc., but that just isn't enough. i would, unfortunately, have to say if you can get in with a major to get your name and music out there, short term, then that is what you have to do. just make it short term so once you have the recognition and the funds, you can go your own way.
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Reply #22 posted 11/17/06 2:39pm

Graycap23

txladykat said:

Graycap23 said:



.....and 4 that effort every $1.00 u make they make $7-$9.


unfortunately yes. but if someone doesn't have the means or the funds to do it themselves, they have little options if they want to get their music out there. a friend of mine is having that very problem. his band is very talented and ten times better than the shit you hear nowadays. but they dont have the means or the funds to promote and sell their album. of course they have it up on cd baby, etc., but that just isn't enough. i would, unfortunately, have to say if you can get in with a major to get your name and music out there, short term, then that is what you have to do. just make it short term so once you have the recognition and the funds, you can go your own way.



I hear u. Having been on the other side of the music biz, NO way in hell I'd sign a record deal.
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Reply #23 posted 11/17/06 2:41pm

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Perhaps a distribution deal. Never an artist deal. That's pretty much the industry standard these days anyway (post Prince). Majors aren't signing artists much these days. They sign smaller labels.
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Reply #24 posted 11/17/06 2:42pm

Graycap23

BlaqueKnight said:

Perhaps a distribution deal. Never an artist deal. That's pretty much the industry standard these days anyway (post Prince). Majors aren't signing artists much these days. They sign smaller labels.



True Dat.
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Reply #25 posted 11/17/06 2:57pm

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BlaqueKnight said:

Perhaps a distribution deal. Never an artist deal. That's pretty much the industry standard these days anyway (post Prince). Majors aren't signing artists much these days. They sign smaller labels.



nod Universial is a beast power with buying out labels.
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Reply #26 posted 11/18/06 5:59am

ThePunisher

AnckSuNamun said:

No. It would kinda defeat the whole purpose of expressing yourself musically. I guess if I'm truely what they're looking for, then yeah, but if I were a professional musician, I highly doubt I'd appeal to the masses enough to be on a huge label. You sure as hell wouldn't hear me on mixed pop/r&b stations along side Fergie. lol

professional. typing too fast doh!
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Reply #27 posted 11/18/06 7:37am

Flowerz

depends what you're in it for.. some artists sign with labels just to be famous and they don't care .. as long as they are making millions ..for them it's fine ..and labels will exist because of this. I would sign only if the label gave me liberty to control and of course they would get their cut. I would have an attorney put clauses in my contract talking about 'ownership of master recordings' .. since Prince brought that out.
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Reply #28 posted 11/18/06 11:52am

CinisterCee

TonyVanDam said:

BlaqueKnight said:

Perhaps a distribution deal. Never an artist deal. That's pretty much the industry standard these days anyway (post Prince). Majors aren't signing artists much these days. They sign smaller labels.



nod Universial is a beast power with buying out labels.


Totally. BK got it correct.
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Reply #29 posted 11/18/06 6:58pm

NuPwr319

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shake NO! (o.k., maybe Verve Records, but other than that. . .)
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