sos, no one is forcing their opinion on you. You decided to insult andy for his thoughts and then you insulted me. If you have problems with us, please take them to orgnotes. I don't think we're the catty ones on this thread. We bitch about music, but not about orgers.

But in my mind there is some good artists coming through, for me people like, John Mayer,Joss Stone, ALicia Keys,Norah Jones,Van Hunt.

im not insulting anyone...im simply saying that there is good music out there and that you can spend just as much time wasting negative energy bitching about the state of music than you can spending your energy productively (and easily) finding qood quality music...

its out there...but IMHO, some folks enjoy being grumpy and bitching about things...rather then finding solutions...

I can somewhat agree, many feel Norah is boring, but you cant have both. Norah is a piano player singing old style country/bluegrass/jazz. I remember one of the many times i saw her in concert an someone said to me, "she's good, but i wish she would come out from the Piano", now while thats a valid argument, what do people want? should she come out and Dance or pull a Nelly Furtado transformation, sometimes you have to accept artists for who and what they are.

As for Joss or John Mayer there is that whole model/gap commercial thing going on, but thats the industry that has been born, you cant just sing or play guitar, we have to be able to market you, we have to be able to see you on all magazine covers from Rolling Stone to Maxim.

KidOmega said:

It's funny though....alot of times,I will hear a song from the 70s or 80s that I originally thought was "crap",but when I hear it nowadays,it actually sounds GOOD to me.The "crap songs" from back then are better than most of today's music,imo.Disposable stuff like Kajagoogoo and The Starland Vocal Band sounds much better to me than,say,Fergie and the Black Eyed Peas.

But in my mind there is some good artists coming through, for me people like, John Mayer,Joss Stone, ALicia Keys,Norah Jones,Van Hunt.

sosgemini said:

Still VC and VA are correct. I'm sure these artists are fine and dandy, but they are boring as hell. I want rump shaking music. Is that too much to ask for??

sosgemini said:

I love funk and have been searching for years. There is little of it left. And the stuff that is around is pretty watered-down

The thing is that although these people may be objectively talented, they make a lot of fucking BORING music, IMHO. Yeah, maybe they can play some instruments or write some good songs every now and then, but why does it still wind up being a snoozefest?

sosgemini said:

Funk isn't my style so im not going to be able to sit here and tell you where to find good funk music...

vainandy said:

Exactly. No offense to sos, but that isn't my type of music, either. And I've searched high and low for good funk (theAudience has recommended some stuff I might be interested in). I have had to turn to Euro dance to keep the tempo up. Unfortunately it is totally funk-less.

sosgemini said:

Funk isn't my style so im not going to be able to sit here and tell you where to find good funk music...

Here we go with that tired old excuse for today's bullshit music. If we were teenagers in the 1980s and could only go to limited places such as skating rinks to enjoy music, then who the hell was in the nightclubs and discos? It was people in their 20s and our parents in their 30s.

Yeah, my mother grew up in the 1960s with stuff like The Supremes but she continued partying in the 1980s when she was in her late 30s (my age today). She was in a club, not just weekends, but every night. Hell, the only time I really saw her was the next morning before school. On Saturdays, she would drop me off at the skating rink and pick me up at 1 a.m. when it was over. She would then take me home and go back to the club. She would drive up to a club (she went to several) and tell her friends she would be back. I could hear the music and it was the same music I was listening to. My mother was not the oldest one in the clubs either. Everyone in the clubs she went to was her age.

So, you see, that "you're getting older" shit is a bunch of bullshit. The difference in people in their 30s in the 1980s liking the music and people in their 30s today hating the music, is because the music actually turned to bullshit. It's not even music anymore. It's a slow ass beat with some "talking" on top of it. And while you're referring to parents of the rock and roll era hating the music, they hated it because it was fast "devil" music. This shit today is slow as hell. My great grandparents would probably have loved it if it didn't have the profanity in it.

Also, as far as getting older goes, I hated most of the music of the 1990s and I was in my 20s then. I first started bitching about music in 1985 when Shitney Houston came on the scene and I was only 17. Once again, that "getting older" is a bunch of bullshit.
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yup i started bitching about it at age 21! hardly an old age my dad who grew up on 50's and 60's music LOVES the music of the 80's so its not an age thing..in fact the last couple years my music has gotten harder and faster snd not slower

Mazerati said:

My father was in his 40's in the 80's and he really liked some songs from Simply Red,Lionel Richie,MJ and even Prince's Baby,I'm a star!
and a lot of other songs.
And he grew up with Humperdinck and those other classic 60's singers.
But he kept on liking the new music that came around in the 70's
(EWF,Lou Rawls,Stevie Wonder,Saturday Night Fever and the whole Disco wave).
But after the 80's I didn't hear him telling me he liked this or that song.
He thinks it sounds 2 cold,mechanical:::

Even mediocre stuff in the 80s at least had a hook... The great stuff had something more... Now the hooks aren't even there.

Many older people liked music in the 1980s because, even though styles had changed since their youth, music was still "music". Nowadays, it's not music at all. It's a slow weak beat, with no instruments over it, topped off with either some talking or some amateur overdramatic "American Idol" type singing.That "you're just getting older" excuse is just something people are coming up with because they don't want to admit today's music is actually a bunch of bullshit.