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PrintableSoulAlive said: KidOmega said: the difference between 80's (and before) music and now is that we grew up on that. the music that is popular during your formative years is of course going to stick with you more than what comes out today. there was just as much crap music coming out in the 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's as there is today. we just have selective memory and don't hang on to and remember all of the crap that was out there. it fades away, just like the crap from today will fade away.
It's funny though....alot of times,I will hear a song from the 70s or 80s that I originally thought was "crap",but when I hear it nowadays,it actually sounds GOOD to me.The "crap songs" from back then are better than most of today's music,imo.Disposable stuff like Kajagoogoo and The Starland Vocal Band sounds much better to me than,say,Fergie and the Black Eyed Peas. then who's to say that in 30 years, you're not going to hear a song you think is crap today and change your mind about it? "The world of the heterosexual is a sick and boring life. " -- Edith Massey in Female Trouble | |
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Hey, it has NOTHING to do with getting old. Do you know when the beginning of the end of my love affair with top 40 radio was???? Get this, 1996-1997. At the time I was only 12 years old. I'm only 22 now and I listen to mostly older music pre-1996. And guess what-- same with most of my peers. Even though some of us may like old school funk and r and b. And some like classic rock. But I can assure you most people my age know that music today is garbage compared to what it was 10 years ago. | |
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I don't think it's to do with becoming old. I loved the music from the 80s... I think it was around 89 when I started to find it hard to listen to the radio, and I was 11 years old then. [Edited 11/23/06 17:04pm] | |
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squirrelscientist said: Hey, it has NOTHING to do with getting old. Do you know when the beginning of the end of my love affair with top 40 radio was???? Get this, 1996-1997. At the time I was only 12 years old. I'm only 22 now and I listen to mostly older music pre-1996. And guess what-- same with most of my peers. Even though some of us may like old school funk and r and b. And some like classic rock. But I can assure you most people my age know that music today is garbage compared to what it was 10 years ago.
"most" ... ? then why do they buy so much of it? "The world of the heterosexual is a sick and boring life. " -- Edith Massey in Female Trouble | |
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KidOmega said: squirrelscientist said: Hey, it has NOTHING to do with getting old. Do you know when the beginning of the end of my love affair with top 40 radio was???? Get this, 1996-1997. At the time I was only 12 years old. I'm only 22 now and I listen to mostly older music pre-1996. And guess what-- same with most of my peers. Even though some of us may like old school funk and r and b. And some like classic rock. But I can assure you most people my age know that music today is garbage compared to what it was 10 years ago.
"most" ... ? then why do they buy so much of it? thas what i'd like 2 know.... | |
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SoulAlive said: KidOmega said: the difference between 80's (and before) music and now is that we grew up on that. the music that is popular during your formative years is of course going to stick with you more than what comes out today. there was just as much crap music coming out in the 50's, 60's, 70's, 80's and 90's as there is today. we just have selective memory and don't hang on to and remember all of the crap that was out there. it fades away, just like the crap from today will fade away.
It's funny though....alot of times,I will hear a song from the 70s or 80s that I originally thought was "crap",but when I hear it nowadays,it actually sounds GOOD to me.The "crap songs" from back then are better than most of today's music,imo.Disposable stuff like Kajagoogoo and The Starland Vocal Band sounds much better to me than,say,Fergie and the Black Eyed Peas. That happened to me the other day! All my life I've thought "Too Shy" was a crap song. But after working in the back of the store with the radio on all day, I went home, heard Kajagoogoo and thought to myself, "Hell, this sounds pretty decent!"  "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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meow85 said: SoulAlive said: It's funny though....alot of times,I will hear a song from the 70s or 80s that I originally thought was "crap",but when I hear it nowadays,it actually sounds GOOD to me.The "crap songs" from back then are better than most of today's music,imo.Disposable stuff like Kajagoogoo and The Starland Vocal Band sounds much better to me than,say,Fergie and the Black Eyed Peas. That happened to me the other day! All my life I've thought "Too Shy" was a crap song. But after working in the back of the store with the radio on all day, I went home, heard Kajagoogoo and thought to myself, "Hell, this sounds pretty decent!" thats been happening to me too i guess its cuz music is so bad now even the stuff u didnt like in the 80's sounds good now  Check it out ...Shiny Toy Guns R gonna blowup VERY soon and bring melody back to music..you heard it here 1st! http://www.myspacecomment...theone.mp3 | |
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Mazerati said: meow85 said: That happened to me the other day! All my life I've thought "Too Shy" was a crap song. But after working in the back of the store with the radio on all day, I went home, heard Kajagoogoo and thought to myself, "Hell, this sounds pretty decent!" thats been happening to me too i guess its cuz music is so bad now even the stuff u didnt like in the 80's sounds good now Even mediocre stuff in the 80s at least had a hook... The great stuff had something more... Now the hooks aren't even there.  | |
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i heard a new song tonight with a hook that i really liked!! hehe
it was called Paint By Numbers by The Sounds Check it out ...Shiny Toy Guns R gonna blowup VERY soon and bring melody back to music..you heard it here 1st! http://www.myspacecomment...theone.mp3 | |
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Mazerati said: meow85 said: That happened to me the other day! All my life I've thought "Too Shy" was a crap song. But after working in the back of the store with the radio on all day, I went home, heard Kajagoogoo and thought to myself, "Hell, this sounds pretty decent!" thats been happening to me too i guess its cuz music is so bad now even the stuff u didnt like in the 80's sounds good now Exactly! Today's music is so crappy that even the bad stuff from the 80s sounds great now | |
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coolcat said: Even mediocre stuff in the 80s at least had a hook... The great stuff had something more... Now the hooks aren't even there.
 that's exactly it! | |
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tonyat said: KidOmega said: "most" ... ? then why do they buy so much of it? thas what i'd like 2 know.... Who is buying too much of anything these days??? How many artists sell multi-millions now a days? How many diamond albums have there been in the past 5 years? Don't blame downloading either because people used to tape videos on tv and tape songs from the radio. THe fact is music today is in way worse shape than 10 years ago. No singer has come out that has put out a consistent body of work and has personality and not just "an image". | |
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ok this is the video of the song i was talking about
http://www.youtube.com/wa...z3gRdmhMXc see i consider this to be a good song thats got a nice hook to it and its new Check it out ...Shiny Toy Guns R gonna blowup VERY soon and bring melody back to music..you heard it here 1st! http://www.myspacecomment...theone.mp3 | |
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coolcat said: Mazerati said: thats been happening to me too i guess its cuz music is so bad now even the stuff u didnt like in the 80's sounds good now Even mediocre stuff in the 80s at least had a hook... The great stuff had something more... Now the hooks aren't even there. Even the crap was mostly catchy lil ditties. You might've been embarassed to be caught humming the tune, but at least there was a tune.
That new Gwen Stefani number?  The only melody is a stolen one and it's got no hook. Compare that bile to pretty much anything she did when she was still with No Doubt, then think that the rest of popular music has suffered a similar decline, and it's almost upsetting to think how much better music was even half a decade ago."A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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The difference was you were in your teens, Mazarati. | |
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CinisterCee said: The difference was you were in your teens, Mazarati.
naww like i said i was only 21 when i noticed that music was changing and i do like some new stuff but it used to be i liked maybe 17 out of the top 20 songs now im lucky if i like one of them Check it out ...Shiny Toy Guns R gonna blowup VERY soon and bring melody back to music..you heard it here 1st! http://www.myspacecomment...theone.mp3 | |
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Mazerati said: CinisterCee said: The difference was you were in your teens, Mazarati.
naww like i said i was only 21 when i noticed that music was changing and i do like some new stuff but it used to be i liked maybe 17 out of the top 20 songs now im lucky if i like one of them I'm only 21 now "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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CinisterCee said: The difference was you were in your teens, Mazarati.
The difference is that 80's music was good. I'm 21 and can barely listen to all the shit produced today. I hate contemporary rap and hip-hop. | |
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VoicesCarry said: CinisterCee said: The difference was you were in your teens, Mazarati.
The difference is that 80's music was good. I'm 21 and can barely listen to all the shit produced today. I hate contemporary rap and hip-hop. oh SHIT!! VC in the place  | |
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CinisterCee said: VoicesCarry said: The difference is that 80's music was good. I'm 21 and can barely listen to all the shit produced today. I hate contemporary rap and hip-hop. oh SHIT!! VC in the place  Cinnie | |
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there is good songwriting...its just not being played on the radio...
and im sorry but andy, you do come off like a grumpy ole grandpa...if you spent as much time "seeking" good new music as you do bitching about the current state of music then you would actually find a wealth of quality... each year i discover beautiful new music...i am not unhappy. and i will be at the old folks home dancing to the music of the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's and 00s.  Space for sale... | |
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One of the real problems is that Music has lost its importance to the younger generation because its very easy to recreate, get rich quick type of thing. For me the 80's were the most diverse decade in terms of music, true production may sound dated, but they worked with what they had back then, and today production may sound more live but its because of the technology not anything to do with the artists or the people making it, because most of it isnt Live. To me artists and Producers of today are just LAZY, for the most part, the beats are recylced with every single artist that a producer works with. But in my mind there is some good artists coming through, for me people like, John Mayer,Joss Stone, ALicia Keys,Norah Jones,Van Hunt, and artists from my days are still around making even better music, artists like, U2,aHa,Prince,Elton,Jovi,Duran,Rem and many more. I just feel since there is so much music out there, there is really no real venue to showcase everyone. MTV,VH1,BET, and Radio have squeezed their playlists to 10-20 songs and videos that people have almost become zombies, I looked at the top 20 songs the other day and there were songs on there that were released in May-June, jesus christ play another single!! If this were the 80's you would put an album In January and by October you would be on your 4th or 5th single, today your still on your first maybe second. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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lastdecember said: But in my mind there is some good artists coming through, for me people like, John Mayer,Joss Stone, ALicia Keys,Norah Jones,Van Hunt.
The thing is that although these people may be objectively talented, they make a lot of fucking BORING music, IMHO. Yeah, maybe they can play some instruments or write some good songs every now and then, but why does it still wind up being a snoozefest? Norah Jones has made two of the most limp albums in history, and I know she's a great pianist and live performer, but I'm left there going "Ok....so you gonna do anything worthwhile with it????". Joss Stone, I don't think can sing. She does a lot of nasal growling and people mistake this for soul. Alicia Keys steals melody lines from James Brown and honestly nobody would have given her the time of day over Patrice Rushen in 1980. She'd have been bringing Patrice her coffee or something. Clive Davis really took an average artist and did the PR spin on her, turning her into an "AMAZING PRODIGY!!!" when she was really just agonizingly average. John Mayer is very promising, but Waiting On A World To Change sounds an awful lot like an old Isley Brothers song (the title escapes me at the moment). But out of the current pack, I can tolerate Mayer and Van Hunt the most. Mayer's got some funk in him, surprisingly. The Try! album was fabulous. I think one of the big problems in the industry today is they find these model types that are mediocre artists and turn them into marketable entities. I know the spin machine was working overtime when I heard Alicia Keys was the "next Stevie Wonder" and Joss Stone was the "new Aretha Franklin". You get this ridiculous hype and then some blonde, Gap-clad teen trundles on stage and sings through her nose. Patrice Rushen wasn't the most beautiful woman in the world, but the woman could sang and play like nothing today. [Edited 11/25/06 11:30am] | |
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sosgemini said: there is good songwriting...its just not being played on the radio...
and im sorry but andy, you do come off like a grumpy ole grandpa...if you spent as much time "seeking" good new music as you do bitching about the current state of music then you would actually find a wealth of quality... each year i discover beautiful new music...i am not unhappy. and i will be at the old folks home dancing to the music of the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's and 00s. Whenever I bitch about there not being no good music out there these days, it gets on my last nerve when I hear someone say..."There's good music out there but you have to look for it". Yeah, I'm sure if I searched long and hard, I might find something but I want good music to be what's popular so it will be the type of music that dominates the nightclubs.
I don't live in a house with a ball and chain spouse, a white picket fence, a dog, and a station wagon. I'm a slutty whore and I like to go out and party. My life isn't over, it's still going on and I want to have a good time while I'm living it. That way, even if I don't find someone to sleep with for that particular night, I would have at least had a good time trying to pick someone up.I don't understand that mentality, either. I don't want to have to do *research* just to find something I might like. Shit, I'm already doing enough research. The songwriting isn't the problem, it's the lack of instruments. It's nothing but a slow ass weak beat and some "talking". There's nothing to give it rhythm such as some funky real drums (or at least some better stronger sounding drum machines like they had in the 1980s), a funky bass line, and some handclaps. If the music sounds good, I don't give a damn if the song has any lyrics.
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VoicesCarry said: sosgemini said: there is good songwriting...its just not being played on the radio...
and im sorry but andy, you do come off like a grumpy ole grandpa...if you spent as much time "seeking" good new music as you do bitching about the current state of music then you would actually find a wealth of quality... each year i discover beautiful new music...i am not unhappy. and i will be at the old folks home dancing to the music of the 60's, 70's, 80's, 90's and 00s. I don't understand that mentality, either. I don't want to have to do *research* just to find something I might like. Shit, I'm already doing enough research. The songwriting isn't the problem, it's the lack of instruments. It's nothing but a slow ass weak beat and some "talking". There's nothing to give it rhythm such as some funky real drums (or at least some better stronger sounding drum machines like they had in the 1980s), a funky bass line, and some handclaps. If the music sounds good, I don't give a damn if the song has any lyrics.
[Edited 11/25/06 11:40am] lizz wright, betty lavette, van hunt, amp fiddler...these folks showcase real instruments... but once again, its easier to bitch and bitch and moan and moan and be catty then it is to get off your ass and enjoy the quality thats out there... hey, i typed "catty"...VoicesCarry must be back... Welcome buddy!! Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: VoicesCarry said:
[Edited 11/25/06 11:40am] lizz wright, betty lavette, van hunt, amp fiddler...these folks showcase real instruments... but once again, its easier to bitch and bitch and moan and moan and be catty then it is to get off your ass and enjoy the quality thats out there... hey, i typed "catty"...VoicesCarry must be back... Welcome buddy!! sos, no one is forcing their opinion on you. Personally, I do not happen to like the artists that you mentioned, but perhaps that is just me. You decided to insult andy for his thoughts and then you insulted me. If you have problems with us, please take them to orgnotes. I don't think we're the catty ones on this thread. We bitch about music, but not about orgers, and we were not being spiteful or malicious to you. [Edited 11/25/06 12:41pm] | |
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sosgemini said: VoicesCarry said:
[Edited 11/25/06 11:40am] lizz wright, betty lavette, van hunt, amp fiddler...these folks showcase real instruments... but once again, its easier to bitch and bitch and moan and moan and be catty then it is to get off your ass and enjoy the quality thats out there... hey, i typed "catty"...VoicesCarry must be back... Welcome buddy!! Still VC and VA are correct. I'm sure these artists are fine and dandy, but they are boring as hell. I want rump shaking music. Is that too much to ask for?? | |
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VoicesCarry said: sosgemini said: lizz wright, betty lavette, van hunt, amp fiddler...these folks showcase real instruments... but once again, its easier to bitch and bitch and moan and moan and be catty then it is to get off your ass and enjoy the quality thats out there... hey, i typed "catty"...VoicesCarry must be back... Welcome buddy!! sos, no one is forcing their opinion on you. You decided to insult andy for his thoughts and then you insulted me. If you have problems with us, please take them to orgnotes. I don't think we're the catty ones on this thread. We bitch about music, but not about orgers. im not insulting anyone...im simply saying that there is good music out there and that you can spend just as much time wasting negative energy bitching about the state of music than you can spending your energy productively (and easily) finding qood quality music... its out there...but IMHO, some folks enjoy being grumpy and bitching about things...rather then finding solutions... Space for sale... | |
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sosgemini said: VoicesCarry said: sos, no one is forcing their opinion on you. You decided to insult andy for his thoughts and then you insulted me. If you have problems with us, please take them to orgnotes. I don't think we're the catty ones on this thread. We bitch about music, but not about orgers. im not insulting anyone...im simply saying that there is good music out there and that you can spend just as much time wasting negative energy bitching about the state of music than you can spending your energy productively (and easily) finding qood quality music... its out there...but IMHO, some folks enjoy being grumpy and bitching about things...rather then finding solutions... Okay, I just thought calling people grumpy, bitchy and catty because they don't like contemporary music was a bit insulting. And IMHO we simply have different musical preferences, as those artists do nothing for me | |
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squirrelscientist said: sosgemini said: lizz wright, betty lavette, van hunt, amp fiddler...these folks showcase real instruments... but once again, its easier to bitch and bitch and moan and moan and be catty then it is to get off your ass and enjoy the quality thats out there... hey, i typed "catty"...VoicesCarry must be back... Welcome buddy!! Still VC and VA are correct. I'm sure these artists are fine and dandy, but they are boring as hell. I want rump shaking music. Is that too much to ask for?? do me a favor, seek out "Joy" by Betty Lavette...and then come back to me and tell me its "boring"...or better yet...go seek out Herbert's last CD. Funk isn't my style so im not going to be able to sit here and tell you where to find good funk music...actually, my buddy is always sharing with me songs from Greazy Meals...i've enjoyed their music...if im able to find genre's of music that i enjoy that im sure there is good music out there that will please whomever's state of mind... but, if the music is out there, does that mean that one doesnt have their "niche bitch". i honestly think this is a legitamite question to pose...and im not asking it in a mean spirited way. Space for sale... | |
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