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Printableanon said: KidOmega said: his problem that in his heyday, most of his songs sounded the same. his own and the ones he gave to other artists. it was a signature sound though, and extremely popular at the time. when you deluge the mid-90's with a bunch of stuff that sounds the same and you put something out 10 years later without changing it up very much, people are going to think it's dull and boring and sounds dated, even if it's your own sound you're repeating, because the same sound 10 years later IS dull, boring, and dated whether it was in the first place or not. I agree with you too. This is why acoustic is a good way to go. The Babyface "sound" is a production thing. Underneath that he's also a good songwriter. This is what going acoustic would reveal.Agreed.He needs to do an acoustic soul album.Strip the music down and bare his soul.At his age,he needs to make music that is more "adult",instead of trying to appeal to the younger crowd (his 'Face 2 Face' album included collaborations with The Neptunes and Snoop Dogg!!).He's always been a terrific songwriter and I know he can come up with a stunning,mature album. | |
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He didn't gain his touch, to begin with.
I think the brotha is just overrated. His stuff is too "plastic" for my taste, I need to hear a lil' something organic in what you do. Remember Malik Pendelton(sp?)? He should've been a massive producer. He could deliever some organic musicianship,,,,he got some Jazz, deep upright bass in his shit too which I like  | |
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Harlepolis said: He didn't gain his touch, to begin with.
I think the brotha is just overrated. His stuff is too "plastic" for my taste, I need to hear a lil' something organic in what you do. Remember Malik Pendelton(sp?)? He should've been a massive producer. He could deliever some organic musicianship,,,,he got some Jazz, deep upright bass in his shit too which I like so your saying you dont like any of toni braxton's old songs from the 90's, or Bobby browns album dont be cruel, or even Anita baker's songs from the early 90's and even TLC songs... baby face made some GREAT songs... maybe he didnt make great music for himself... but during the 90s when he made those songs they were very nice |
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TotalAlisa said: Harlepolis said: He didn't gain his touch, to begin with.
I think the brotha is just overrated. His stuff is too "plastic" for my taste, I need to hear a lil' something organic in what you do. Remember Malik Pendelton(sp?)? He should've been a massive producer. He could deliever some organic musicianship,,,,he got some Jazz, deep upright bass in his shit too which I like so your saying you dont like any of toni braxton's old songs from the 90's, or Bobby browns album dont be cruel, or even Anita baker's songs from the early 90's and even TLC songs... Thats right, I don't. I love Toni's work with her husband Keri Lewis from The Heat and some of the stuff she did with her ex-boyfriend, Bryce Wilson or whats his name, I love Anita's pre-90's stuff more(esp the ones with George Duke) and I dig TLC's work with Dallas Austin which I think he's more unpredictable,,,other than that, nah! baby face made some GREAT songs... maybe he didnt make great music for himself... but during the 90s when he made those songs they were very nice Waiting For Exhale was his worthiest moment,,,,the rest belong to the garbage IMHO. ..... | |
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shorttrini said: SoulAlive said: I agree,Babyface has definitely "lost" something.His productions these days sound stale and boring.He used to write truly amazing songs,for himself and for other artists:
"Another Sad Love Song" by Toni Braxton "Water Runs Dry" by Boyz 2 Men "Take a Bow" by Madonna "I'm Ready" by Tevin Campbell "I Don't Want To Know" by Gladys Knight but at some point in the late 90s,things went sour.I remember being extremely disappointed with his 1996 CD 'The Day'....it was bland and uninspired,with that horrible Shalamar cover song.His last truly great solo album was 'For The Cool In You'.I think he needs to pick up his guitar and try some acoustic soul music (remember his excellent 1993 single "When Will I See You Again"?).He's still very talented. The thing is, I liked that CD. I loved songs like, 7 seas and All day thinkin. It just seems to me that he wanted to make more money. To do this, he decided to write songs that sounded like everyone elses. That "Grown & Sexy", CD was trash....Remember "Face To Face"? The only good cut from that one was, "What if"....I just want to know, what gives? I agree that the day cd was bland. He was on some stevie wonder conversation peace trip then but he came back strong with one of my favorite face cds face to face. He bought a lot of uptempo heat on this cd instead of typical drab ballads like on the day. I loved this cd. Outside inside out, you can't front on that there she goes joint even though it was produced by the neptunes that joint was hot. Stress out, work it out, baby's mama, and don't take it personal along with sweet ballads like what if, i keep callin, and wish u was my girl. He took a chance and did something different on this cd. I would rank it as my favorite with for the cool in you next. I have only heard 2 or 3 singles from his cd of 2005 so and they were good so i cannot comment on it. As far as whether face is finished or not, we know the cat is still talented. I would pay to see him perform as long as ticket prices were reasonable. Just thing of the fickle ass music industry today. Would you rather see face live or these manufactured non performing cats of today like donnell jones,lyfe jennings, jaheim,genuine,etc. Don't laugh at my funk
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The WATING TO EXHALE soundtrack still makes me wet!
xoxox Every minute of last night is on my face today.... | |
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missfee said: that "grown & sexy" cd was shitty....nothing he puts out now will ever compare to "i only think of you on two occasions"
 Two occasions. Ick. Double Ick. The song was too whiney and sugary. The video with the hairstyles. Ha Ha. The song paved the way for L.A and face production factory but that song was the deele's weakest by far. Even shoot em up movies was a better song than that. In fact shoot em up movies and can you dance were my favorite songs from that deele album. The first deele album was the shiznit with body talk, just my luck, and i surrender. The second album was cool too. Material thangz and sweet november. Don't laugh at my funk
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VANITYSprisonBYTCH said: The WATING TO EXHALE soundtrack still makes me wet!
xoxox This is an image that is going to stay with me until quitting time, VANITY....That u for making my day go faster. "Love is like peeing in your pants, everyone sees it but only you feel its warmth" | |
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shorttrini said: VANITYSprisonBYTCH said: The WATING TO EXHALE soundtrack still makes me wet!
xoxox This is an image that is going to stay with me until quitting time, VANITY....That u for making my day go faster. Whatever I can do to help make the weekend COME sooner! peace  Every minute of last night is on my face today.... | |
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shorttrini said: ThePunisher said: Love songs are his thing. But he wrote one that he needs his behind kicked for. It's called "I Give Good Love" In it he sings "I'll Pay Your Rent, I'll Buy Your Clothes. I'll cook your Dinner, I'll Do Your Dishes Too, Soon As I Come Home From Work". Man, I love my wife to death, But She ain't gettin all that when I come home from work! Babyface can go somewhere with that mess!
See, he is singing from an "old school" perspective. Back in the day, that's what the music was all about, doing things to show that u you and want to keep her.Unlike today's music, which is all about "licking you up and down" and "f@#cking you tonight", there is nothing wrong with showing what u would do for your mate;just as long as she or he has your back. Which would u rather, someone who was only good in bed or someone that had your back? [Edited 11/9/06 14:12pm] | |
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ThePunisher said: vainandy said: He should have never left The Deele. At least that group could throwdown. Most of his own shit and productions for other artists has been weak shit. Love songs are his thing. But he wrote one that he needs his behind kicked for. It's called "I Give Good Love" In it he sings "I'll Pay Your Rent, I'll Buy Your Clothes. I'll cook your Dinner, I'll Do Your Dishes Too, Soon As I Come Home From Work". Man, I love my wife to death, But She ain't gettin all that when I come home from work! Babyface can go somewhere with that mess!Oh Lord, I remember that damn song and I HATED it almost as much as the SEVERELY overplayed "Whip Appeal". They used to play "Whip Appeal" so much that I could recognize it from the very first musical note when it came on the radio. Apparently, other people could too because a good friend of mine was riding with me in my car who loves that song. I heard that first note and switched the station quick before she could notice. Hell, she noticed and hollered...."Hey, that's Whip Appeal, turn that back!". Then she sang along with the damn song. Afterwards, they played another one I hate...."Superwoman" by Karyn White and she sang LOUDLY. If they had played a Whitney Houston song afterwards, I think I would have run the damn car into a tree and ended it all.  Andy is a four letter word. | |
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TonyVanDam said: vainandy said: He should have never left The Deele. At least that group could throwdown. Most of his own shit and productions for other artists has been weak shit.
Granted, I'm gulity as charge for being an old fan of 'Face's Tender Lover album. With that said, I miss The Deele a lot more. Body Talk & I Surrender are synthfunk classics!  The Deele had some jams.... Body Talk Material Thanz Can U Dance Hip Chic Babyface solo, was the total opposite of hard shit like that. He was kinda like a male version of Shitney Houston....weak, weak, weak. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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[/quote]Love songs are his thing. But he wrote one that he needs his behind kicked for. It's called "I Give Good Love" In it he sings "I'll Pay Your Rent, I'll Buy Your Clothes. I'll cook your Dinner, I'll Do Your Dishes Too, Soon As I Come Home From Work". Man, I love my wife to death, But She ain't gettin all that when I come home from work! Babyface can go somewhere with that mess![/quote]
That's the edited version. Most people haven't heard the unedited version with a guest rap from OJ. "I'll whip dat a**. I'll slit your neck....." I mean lets face it, if a fella is paying the rent and doing the dishes there is some deeper Iceberg Slim stuff involved too. The record company just wanted it toned down a little. "The first time I saw the cover of Dirty Mind in the early 80s I thought, 'Is this some drag queen ripping on Freddie Prinze?'" - Some guy on The Gear Page | |
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TonyVanDam said: AlexdeParis said: Babyface (with or without L.A., DeRock, and Kayo) had a signature sound, but saying his songs all sounded the same is nothing but hyperbole. He was certainly great with or without Bobby Brown (although "Don't Be Cruel" is still his best song). Do I need to post my whole Top 100 Babyface songs again?
No. But you will need to show me a list of songs (The Catch: no slow jams! That's too easy. I want dance cuts!). None of these qualify as ballads: Don't Be Cruel Girlfriend Giving You the Benefit Tender Lover On Our Own I'm Your Baby Tonight Dial My Heart Exclusivity Fairweather Friend Can We Talk It's No Crime You're Makin' Me High Sittin' Up in My Room Every Little Step My Kinda Girl Heat of the Moment Backyard The Way You Love Me Humpin' Around For the Cool in You Whatever Give U My Heart Queen of the Night Gotta Learn My Rhythm Rock Steady Roses Are Red Diggin' on You Secret Rendezvous You Said, You Said Boys & Girls Rock Bottom I Wanna Love Like That You Thought Wrong Knocked Out Most Girls My Name Is Not Susan Anymore "Whitney was purely and simply one of a kind." ~ Clive Davis | |
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vainandy said: Oh Lord, I remember that damn song and I HATED it almost as much as the SEVERELY overplayed "Whip Appeal". They used to play "Whip Appeal" so much that I could recognize it from the very first musical note when it came on the radio. Apparently, other people could too because a good friend of mine was riding with me in my car who loves that song. I heard that first note and switched the station quick before she could notice. Hell, she noticed and hollered...."Hey, that's Whip Appeal, turn that back!". Then she sang along with the damn song. Afterwards, they played another one I hate...."Superwoman" by Karyn White and she sang LOUDLY. If they had played a Whitney Houston song afterwards, I think I would have run the damn car into a tree and ended it all.  | |
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AlexdeParis said: TonyVanDam said: No. But you will need to show me a list of songs (The Catch: no slow jams! That's too easy. I want dance cuts!). None of these qualify as ballads: Don't Be Cruel Girlfriend Giving You the Benefit Tender Lover On Our Own I'm Your Baby Tonight Dial My Heart Exclusivity Fairweather Friend Can We Talk It's No Crime You're Makin' Me High Sittin' Up in My Room Every Little Step My Kinda Girl Heat of the Moment Backyard The Way You Love Me Humpin' Around For the Cool in You Whatever Give U My Heart Queen of the Night Gotta Learn My Rhythm Rock Steady Roses Are Red Diggin' on You Secret Rendezvous You Said, You Said Boys & Girls Rock Bottom I Wanna Love Like That You Thought Wrong Knocked Out Most Girls My Name Is Not Susan Anymore   | |
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SoulAlive said: ThePunisher said: Love songs are his thing. But he wrote one that he needs his behind kicked for. It's called "I Give Good Love" In it he sings "I'll Pay Your Rent, I'll Buy Your Clothes. I'll cook your Dinner, I'll Do Your Dishes Too, Soon As I Come Home From Work". Man, I love my wife to death, But She ain't gettin all that when I come home from work! Babyface can go somewhere with that mess!
the song is actually called "Soon As I Get Home",and yes,I don't think too many guys were happy with those lyrics,lol.It put alot of pressure on us fellas.Yes he did, I remember when that song was out & women we're like do u hear that, why can't u be like that! | |
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ThePunisher said: ...But he wrote one that he needs his behind kicked for. It's called "I Give Good Love" In it he sings "I'll Pay Your Rent, I'll Buy Your Clothes. I'll cook your Dinner, I'll Do Your Dishes Too, Soon As I Come Home From Work". Man, I love my wife to death, But She ain't gettin all that when I come home from work! Babyface can go somewhere with that mess!
Hell yeah, I want to kick his ass for that too. I HATE that phucking song. Weak, pussified MFer. | |
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Jboogiee said: SoulAlive said: the song is actually called "Soon As I Get Home",and yes,I don't think too many guys were happy with those lyrics,lol.It put alot of pressure on us fellas.Yes he did, I remember when that song was out & women we're like do u hear that, why can't u be like that! Thats why I don't like his stuff. Too damn mushy, corny and hollywoodish. I'll cook your food, pay your rent,,,,WASH YOUR HAIR! 
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Jboogiee said: SoulAlive said: the song is actually called "Soon As I Get Home",and yes,I don't think too many guys were happy with those lyrics,lol.It put alot of pressure on us fellas.Yes he did, I remember when that song was out & women we're like do u hear that, why can't u be like that! | |
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I can't think of any bad examples of his recent work...It's just not as memorable, that's for sure. Could have something to do with R&B being all about crunk now of days. A song like "Thinkin About My Ex" is very nice and could've been a hit...only problem is few songs like that make the cut anymore. | |
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Harlepolis said: Jboogiee said: Yes he did, I remember when that song was out & women we're like do u hear that, why can't u be like that! Thats why I don't like his stuff. Too damn mushy, corny and hollywoodish. I'll cook your food, pay your rent,,,,WASH YOUR HAIR!
Ain't no motherfucker's touching this gal's hair IMO, a real woman doesn't want a soft, weak man that she can wrap around her finger. Babyface can kiss my ass. | |
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uPtoWnNY said: Harlepolis said: Thats why I don't like his stuff. Too damn mushy, corny and hollywoodish. I'll cook your food, pay your rent,,,,WASH YOUR HAIR!
Ain't no motherfucker's touching this gal's hair IMO, a real woman doesn't want a soft, weak man that she can wrap around her finger. Babyface can kiss my ass. Don't bet on it, doll you've seen some of the women in here going crazy over some whimpy cat with a high voice  | |
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Babyface has been around writing songs like forever. I don't think that he has lost his touch. I think that his audience may get tired of his sound on pop radio due to hearing his songs a lot. He is a great songwriter.
I remember Prince used to change up his styles. I remember "Sign O The Times" and "Lovesexy" those albums were soooo different. I liked them both. I kind of wish that Prince went to basic piano, acoustic guitar, trap drum set, microphone, amp and record on analog tape a full album with just that. No jazzy type stuff. Nothing really rock. Just something that can hold. Simple songs. I may not like the man.
I may not like his music after the mid 90s. I respect his current artistry...I just don't like him. No hate. | |
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Babyface lost his touch a loooong time ago. All of his songs sound the same!   RIP, mom. I will forever miss and love you. | |
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Graycap23 said: Babyface had his momnets but even at his so called peak he repeated himself a great deal. A lot of his songs used the same melody, chord structure, beats and lyrics. This guy was OVERRATED from day one.
Yuuup, I agree! RIP, mom. I will forever miss and love you. | |
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ThePunisher said: vainandy said: He should have never left The Deele. At least that group could throwdown. Most of his own shit and productions for other artists has been weak shit. Love songs are his thing. But he wrote one that he needs his behind kicked for. It's called "I Give Good Love" In it he sings "I'll Pay Your Rent, I'll Buy Your Clothes. I'll cook your Dinner, I'll Do Your Dishes Too, Soon As I Come Home From Work". Man, I love my wife to death, But She ain't gettin all that when I come home from work! Babyface can go somewhere with that mess! RIP, mom. I will forever miss and love you. | |
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vainandy said: Oh Lord, I remember that damn song and I HATED it almost as much as the SEVERELY overplayed "Whip Appeal". They used to play "Whip Appeal" so much that I could recognize it from the very first musical note when it came on the radio. Apparently, other people could too because a good friend of mine was riding with me in my car who loves that song. I heard that first note and switched the station quick before she could notice. Hell, she noticed and hollered...."Hey, that's Whip Appeal, turn that back!". Then she sang along with the damn song. Afterwards, they played another one I hate...."Superwoman" by Karyn White and she sang LOUDLY. If they had played a Whitney Houston song afterwards, I think I would have run the damn car into a tree and ended it all. I hate that "Whip Appeal" song too, in fact, I call it "Shit Appeal". Babyface's music IS shit, let's face it.[Edited 11/11/06 11:21am] RIP, mom. I will forever miss and love you. | |
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vainandy said: Oh Lord, I remember that damn song and I HATED it almost as much as the SEVERELY overplayed "Whip Appeal". They used to play "Whip Appeal" so much that I could recognize it from the very first musical note when it came on the radio. Apparently, other people could too because a good friend of mine was riding with me in my car who loves that song. I heard that first note and switched the station quick before she could notice. Hell, she noticed and hollered...."Hey, that's Whip Appeal, turn that back!". Then she sang along with the damn song. Afterwards, they played another one I hate...."Superwoman" by Karyn White and she sang LOUDLY. If they had played a Whitney Houston song afterwards, I think I would have run the damn car into a tree and ended it all. You so crazy...
Face don't rock my world but he's okay. Those two songs used to make me laugh because every time those songs got played people would start talking trash to each other. girls: "listen to that? Babyface sure know how to treat his woman" guys: "well I guess you better take yo ass on over to his house then 'cuz I ain't the one" Prince, in you I found a kindred spirit...Rest In Paradise. | |
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