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Printableguitarslinger44 said: BlaqueKnight said: Thank you. Nuff said. To LastDecember: Anyone COULD have said what he said about George Bush but no one DID. NO ONE. If this were the 80s EVERYBODY would have said it, got together and made a "We Are The World" song about him and demanded change at every performance at every concert. The music industry is full of POSERS these days. Kanye is a shit talker. He is not deceptive about it and he himself has told everyone what time it is with him. If I walk into a room and tell you I'm a killer, you're a damn fool if you're shocked when I shoot somebody. If a known attention whore takes over a microphone at an awards show, how is that surprising? Only an idiot would be shocked. Still, that doesn't make it right. The music industry already has a black eye because of shit like this. Kanye is talented, I'll give him that, but it's just disrespectful to go charging up onstage after being beaten out, pissed off because you wasted a million dollars on a stupid fucking video. Honestly, I'm kinda surprised you're defending him Blaque. Agreed. Another way to look at it as well is that even though those kind of antics go over well for juicy press at home, it felt really awkward to see him acting up in front of a Danish audience, the culture there is so courteous...and when he started his tirade by screaming into his microphone Katt Williams style "NIGGA....NIggga. NIGGGA..." the whole stunt fell flat for me. That was bad form, however it was intended. At home, we may be familiar with that side of his persona, but he's not THAT well known continentally speaking here. The whole episode did nothing to prop up his bad boy renegade image (as we know him at home) rather than make him look rude and unsportsman like (to a newer/uninitiated audience)... | |
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BlaqueKnight said: Thriller81 said: I think it's funny as hell, I think it's even more funny that people are pissed off and annoyed at him. The entertainment industry or being famous is based on having an ego and it's full of prima donnas.
[Edited 11/3/06 11:00am] Thank you. Nuff said. To LastDecember: Anyone COULD have said what he said about George Bush but no one DID. NO ONE. If this were the 80s EVERYBODY would have said it, got together and made a "We Are The World" song about him and demanded change at every performance at every concert. The music industry is full of POSERS these days. Kanye is a shit talker. He is not deceptive about it and he himself has told everyone what time it is with him. If I walk into a room and tell you I'm a killer, you're a damn fool if you're shocked when I shoot somebody. If a known attention whore takes over a microphone at an awards show, how is that surprising? Only an idiot would be shocked. But big deal he said "Fuck you" to George Bush, its just talk, i havent seen Kanye doing anything to cause a change, just words no action, wheres the plan kanye? back it up, pull a Bob Geldof, pull a Bono, go to africa, shit do 1/4 of what Angelina Jolie has, Kanye took the easy way out. This also showed me the difference between class and just pure ignorance. The Latin Grammys show this past week, nothing but class, no fool jumped on stage when they lost, the artists and people attending were humbled by the facct that they were able to get the show in NYC and at Madison Square Garden, basically alot of the artist reached into their own pockets, and also opened the show up to people to actually buy tickets to come see their favorite artists, something no award show has ever done. I think Kanye and alot of other artists in Pop/rock/rb/rap should look in the mirror and think about that for a moment, and the behaviors that they breed, and the examples and stereotypes they are creating for themselves. [Edited 11/3/06 23:42pm] "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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lastdecember said: BlaqueKnight said: Thank you. Nuff said. To LastDecember: Anyone COULD have said what he said about George Bush but no one DID. NO ONE. If this were the 80s EVERYBODY would have said it, got together and made a "We Are The World" song about him and demanded change at every performance at every concert. The music industry is full of POSERS these days. Kanye is a shit talker. He is not deceptive about it and he himself has told everyone what time it is with him. If I walk into a room and tell you I'm a killer, you're a damn fool if you're shocked when I shoot somebody. If a known attention whore takes over a microphone at an awards show, how is that surprising? Only an idiot would be shocked. But big deal he said "Fuck you" to George Bush, its just talk, i havent seen Kanye doing anything to cause a change, just words no action, wheres the plan kanye? back it up, pull a Bob Geldof, pull a Bono, go to africa, shit do 1/4 of what Angelina Jolie has, Kanye took the easy way out. This also showed me the difference between class and just pure ignorance. The Latin Grammys show this past week, nothing but class, no fool jumped on stage when they lost, the artists and people attending were humbled by the facct that they were able to get the show in NYC and at Madison Square Garden, basically alot of the artist reached into their own pockets, and also opened the show up to people to actually buy tickets to come see their favorite artists, something no award show has ever done. I think Kanye and alot of other artists in Pop/rock/rb/rap should look in the mirror and think about that for a moment, and the behaviors that they breed, and the examples and stereotypes they are creating for themselves. [Edited 11/3/06 23:42pm] I agree with this post as well. It's as if he is tried to say because he spent a million dollars on his music video and placed well known domestic US celebrities in it, he should garner the most accolades for top prize in a foreign market. That logic doesn't work here. And don't get me wrong, the influence of American hip-hop is hot and trés d'reguieur here as ever, but...over the span of countless EU countries, he should recognize that diiferent EU counterparts have their own music, their own favorite bands, and sometimes the winners will not include us as US citizens. I think what really bothered me about his outburst, in retrospect, is that here is a person that is outspoken in his criticism of the callousness of imperialism in America culture and society: Yet, the moment he doen't garner the "look at me" prize because he spends a zillion dollars to seduce the masses for ego satisfaction, he bellyaches and behaves as badly as his right wing political (and social) counterparts during an UN Security Council crisis (I mean, to assert that a voter driven award has no credibility because he was one of the biggest spenders in the catagory?????) What would definitely be brilliant on his part, is if that silliness was a really subtle parody of how our top dogs behave whenever we're thrust under pressure, under an international microscope and then show our asses when people go for their own preferences or interests and don't quite get it when we throw ill placed $$$ on the table and demand that they do what we say...JUST 'CAUSE  | |
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estelle81 said: Kanye has a tendency to speak before he thoroughly thinks it through. When he made that comment about Bush, I could only laugh and think to myself, "Dude, why the fuck did you just say that on a nationally televised program? You're soo going on the FBI Watch List." You don't say things that can piss off the government on TV. They will arrest your ass and call you a terrorist, even if it's not true. Possible threat to the President. They're the government and they have more power and money than even you. You only say stuff like that to people who know you and won't use it to fuck you over. He obviously thought about what he said sometime after the program, because he apologized. I bet'cha his ass won't say it again. Nowadays, they put people on the Most Wanted list for saying lesser evils about the government or the President. He needs to leave his little temper tantrums strictly to awards shows and not try to get political. [Edited 11/3/06 20:52pm] And what do you call not being able to speak out about your government in a public forum? It sure as hell isn't democracy. You can't and shouldn't live your life in fear of a government watch list. You seem alright with the idea of being censored. ("I bet'cha his ass won't say it again."). Maybe you're cool with that. Maybe communism and imperialism is cool with you; not me. Obviously not Kanye, either. I wish he hadn't apologized. The TRUTH needs no apologies. Ottensen said: What would definitely be brilliant on his part, is if that silliness was a really subtle parody of how our top dogs behave whenever we're thrust under pressure, under an international microscope and then show our asses when people go for their own preferences or interests and don't quite get it when we throw ill placed $$$ on the table and demand that they do what we say...JUST 'CAUSE Yes but we know that its more than likely not the case with Kanye. He was being an egomaniac asshole attention whore. That's what he is. That's what he's always been. Its not shocking to me and a few others at all. Was it right? No. Was it really that big of a deal? Nope. The big difference between Kanye and say, Ol' Dirty Bastard as compared to earlier on this thread is that when Kanye is serious, he's a very bright individual. He is a conscious rapper. ODB never had a song about the blood diamonds in Africa; neither do most of the other artists on the show with him. Sometimes he has moments of brilliance. That to me is better than clever fluff artists like Jay-Z; one of the so called greatest whose rhymes are comprised mostly of running advertisements for expensive products. Dude is a big clever commercial. I am not justifying what Kanye did and he is quite annoying but I'm calling him like I see him and many people on this thread give him shit because they are annoyed with his personality whereas if Prince had done the same thing he would be cheered on and people would be saying "they should have given him the award anyway" even though Prince has had less than a handful of decent music videos. Great songs - YES. Great music videos - no.  [Edited 11/4/06 3:19am] | |
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StillDirrty said: You can see it here. http://www.fadedyouth.blogspot.com/
okay...watched the video it seemed like Kanye wasn't even serious when he was talking, like he was joking the entire time...we know he wasn't, but thats the way he came off to me when i was watching it. then he probably let all loose in the press room which confirmed that he was serious, but the whole thing was laughable, it was like a bad joke. yeah he made an ass out of himself, but this ain't the first time, damn sure won't be the last. One thing about Kanye, he's not going to be anybody else..but Kanye West. [Edited 11/4/06 6:21am] I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince. | |
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Pretty soon everyone is just going to see that he is a better educated, subtler verison of Puff. | |
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I saw a repeat of the EMAs few hours ago and two questions immediately popped into my mind:
First, who are Justice and Simian? Seriously, I watch MTV regularly and I don't remember seeing this video, and I don't remember hearing this song before and yet I'm usually up-to-date with these kind of things.... Congrats to them for winning, but still odd to have a video win "Video of the Year" that's almost never played
Secondly, why does Kanye West think he's relevant in Europe? Of course I can't speak about how it is on the continent, but I know Kanye West has had one hit here in Iceland, "Gold Digger" and I think "Touch the Sky" was played a few times on Popp TV (Icelandic music video channel).... other than that the only things he's known for here are of course "Gold Digger" and that comment he made about GWB.... My conclusion: Kanye West is an ego-maniac asshole!  [Edited 11/4/06 7:20am] | |
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I just watched the video and I agree with Missfee, it seemed like he wasn't even serious. It almost seemed planned to me. Which, to me makes it even worse. It would be one thing if he was just livid and pissed off that he didn't win, but to do some lame shit like that...to quote the man himself, "Hell naw!" | |
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StillDirrty said: You can see it here. http://www.fadedyouth.blogspot.com/
Timbaland's face is like "man what the fuck are you doing?" BTW in France(one of the biggest record markets of Europe) when you ask people do you know who Kanye West is, they'd be like: kanye who? Enough said. | |
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purpledusk971 said: StillDirrty said: You can see it here. http://www.fadedyouth.blogspot.com/
Timbaland's face is like "man what the fuck are you doing?" BTW in France(one of the biggest record markets of Europe) when you ask people do you know who Kanye West is, they'd be like: kanye who? Enough said. And I think between you and Blaqueknight's posts you two make a very important point, that demonstrates the disconnect that made his stage storming feel weird: whereas in the U.S. he is a big star, known ego maniac, but at least with a high degree of critical respect and expected to be an enfant terrible...here in Europe he's not well known in terms of his commerical success or his artistry, so whether is was meant as a joke or not, you have a continent full of people here watching the show being subtitled in the languages appropriate to their country, and the whole thing falling flat...and in my case, people lookking to me, scratching their heads and asking "aber...was zum teufel was das???" Sometimes the behaviors that fly at home just DON't when you cross the pond- because people have no back story or understand where you're coming from. Even as a joke I think it was a bad PR move internationally speaking... | |
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woogiebear said: missfee said: EXACTLY EXACTLY EXACTLY!!!!! why aren't you guys getting it??? and it isn't the first time someone has stormed the stage before for not winning an award.....ya'll mean to tell you don't remember when Ol' Dirty Bastard crashed the grammy's nearly 10 years ago??? wu tang is for the children!!! Yeah.....BUT ODB did it with some CLASS!!!!! Shocked a helluva lotta people. Whereas Kanye's just actin' like a lil' BEE-YOTCH!!!!! Don't give this ni**a NO MORE PLAQUES. GIVE HIM PADS!!!!! i tell ya...O.D.B. was/is ONE OF A KIND. i'm still having flashbacks from when he was on M.T.V. and he was going to cash his welfare check   .
"shimmy shimmy ya shimmy yeah shimmy yay gimme the mic so i can take it away".is that not a classic line? 
see....Russell Jones(his real name),O Sirius, Little Baby Jesus WAS funny. "shame on ya when you stepped up to the ol' dirty bastard...brooklyn zoo!"  [Edited 11/4/06 9:27am] | |
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KanYe is a trip!!! His sense of entitlement, as if he's some rich, white frat boy, is actually refreshing, imo. But those fellas who won the award should've straight up punched him right in the face as soon as he started yappin' - and not just stand there and get dissed. | |
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whats the big deal? yea, i know... | |
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Isn't it a shame that people no longer bring lettuce, tomatoes and eggs to throw at shows anymore. What has our world come to?
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StillDirrty said: You can see it here. http://www.fadedyouth.blogspot.com/
Look like the other guys weren't offended by Kanye at all. They thought the whole thing was funny. [Edited 11/4/06 13:20pm] | |
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BeatsPerMinute said:
Such an asshole! Kanye West unleashed an amazing outburst after failing to take home the gong for 'Best Video' for his 'Touch The Sky' promo at the EMAs. Crashing the stage as winners Justice and Simian collected their silverwear for 'We Are Your Friends', the hip hop star spat, "F*ck dis! (My video) cost a million dollars, Pamela Anderson was in it, I was jumping across canyons and sh*t! If I don't win, the awards show loses credibility. Nothing against you (J&S), but hell man." His verbal tirade left audience members gasping but it didn't end there. After the show the offended star continued to vent his spleen in the press conference. He told the world's media he was upset because he had "the best video." "I haven't seen (the Justice and Simian video). Possibly it could have been quite good but no way better than 'Touch The Sky'. "That is complete bullsh*t, I paid a million. Obviously it's not all about the money, but the response it got transcended everything, it really made great TV. "It took a month to film; I stood on a mountain; I flew a heliocopter over Vegas. I did it to be the king of all videos and I wanted to walk home with that award." He said of the Justice and Simian's win: "That was some spread the love bull****, 'Oh everyone should have an award'. Please press people print 'Kanye says f*ck that!' But proving he wasn't just a sore loser, the harangued hip hop star said he was happy to lose out to Justin Timberlake in the 'Best Male' category. "Obviously Justin should have won, he's on fire and he's an inspiration to me," he said. Let's hope he didn't hear JT's wisecrack about his, er, speech. The slinky-hipped one quipped, "After the show, Kanye will be in the parking lot accepting awards he did not win. Seriously though, I've got sexy covered, it's good to see someone's doing crazy." This could be straight out of a South Park episode. "I saw a woman with major Hammer pants on the subway a few weeks ago and totally thought of you." - sextonseven | |
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Thriller81 said: The fact that you mentioned Andrew Dice Clay sort of proves the point of being famous, you can love them or hate them, you'll always remember them. Kanye will always be remembered for his Bush comment and his ego trips, love him or hate him. Yeah, because he sure won't be remembered for his "talent." His star is already fading, that is why he is resorting to publicity stunts like this one. Honestly, in recent weeks who was talking about Kanye before this? He had about two or three singles from his second album and it disappeared. It might be time for him to become a college drop-in and start working on a second career to support himself for the next 30 or 40 years. Also, the whole thing could have been planned. Would we even be discussing the EMAs had we not heard about this spectacle? [Edited 11/4/06 17:33pm] perfection is a fallacy of the imagination... | |
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kayne is a stupid fuck. What a twat caring about awards so much. Shit, hammer shoulda won video awards for "too legit to quit" and he didn't get shit. [Edited 11/4/06 19:29pm] | |
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lastdecember said: BlaqueKnight said: Thank you. Nuff said. To LastDecember: Anyone COULD have said what he said about George Bush but no one DID. NO ONE. If this were the 80s EVERYBODY would have said it, got together and made a "We Are The World" song about him and demanded change at every performance at every concert. The music industry is full of POSERS these days. Kanye is a shit talker. He is not deceptive about it and he himself has told everyone what time it is with him. If I walk into a room and tell you I'm a killer, you're a damn fool if you're shocked when I shoot somebody. If a known attention whore takes over a microphone at an awards show, how is that surprising? Only an idiot would be shocked. But big deal he said "Fuck you" to George Bush, its just talk, i havent seen Kanye doing anything to cause a change, just words no action, wheres the plan kanye? back it up, pull a Bob Geldof, pull a Bono, go to africa, shit do 1/4 of what Angelina Jolie has, Kanye took the easy way out. This also showed me the difference between class and just pure ignorance. The Latin Grammys show this past week, nothing but class, no fool jumped on stage when they lost, the artists and people attending were humbled by the facct that they were able to get the show in NYC and at Madison Square Garden, basically alot of the artist reached into their own pockets, and also opened the show up to people to actually buy tickets to come see their favorite artists, something no award show has ever done. I think Kanye and alot of other artists in Pop/rock/rb/rap should look in the mirror and think about that for a moment, and the behaviors that they breed, and the examples and stereotypes they are creating for themselves. [Edited 11/3/06 23:42pm] I say that every award show should have a "no acting a fool" policy!  | |
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TonyVanDam said: lastdecember said: But big deal he said "Fuck you" to George Bush, its just talk, i havent seen Kanye doing anything to cause a change, just words no action, wheres the plan kanye? back it up, pull a Bob Geldof, pull a Bono, go to africa, shit do 1/4 of what Angelina Jolie has, Kanye took the easy way out. This also showed me the difference between class and just pure ignorance. The Latin Grammys show this past week, nothing but class, no fool jumped on stage when they lost, the artists and people attending were humbled by the facct that they were able to get the show in NYC and at Madison Square Garden, basically alot of the artist reached into their own pockets, and also opened the show up to people to actually buy tickets to come see their favorite artists, something no award show has ever done. I think Kanye and alot of other artists in Pop/rock/rb/rap should look in the mirror and think about that for a moment, and the behaviors that they breed, and the examples and stereotypes they are creating for themselves. [Edited 11/3/06 23:42pm] I say that every award show should have a "no acting a fool" policy! | |
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thesexofit said: kayne is a stupid fuck. What a twat caring about awards so much. Shit, hammer shoulda won video awards for "too legit to quit" and he didn't get shit.
[Edited 11/4/06 19:29pm] Forget that! Hammer should have won a lot of best video awards for Pumps And A Bumps.  | |
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DanceWme said: TonyVanDam said: I say that every award show should have a "no acting a fool" policy! See, I got your vote!  | |
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TonyVanDam said: thesexofit said: kayne is a stupid fuck. What a twat caring about awards so much. Shit, hammer shoulda won video awards for "too legit to quit" and he didn't get shit.
[Edited 11/4/06 19:29pm] Forget that! Hammer should have won a lot of best video awards for Pumps And A Bumps. Hammer gets fuck all credit for his video's. Ha, i love me the "pumps and a bump" video. I respect hammer as he came from the street, acted positive, but could still prove he wern't all poppy all the time. That video don't get much more OG then that. Still man, seeing "too legit.." as a 5/6 year old, premiere, and buying the making of VHS with the full 15 minute James brown version, that was as hyped as Jacko's "black or white". Still an awesome video, and has dated better then those fucking fisheye puff daddy video's etc.. of the mid 90's. | |
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TonyVanDam said: I say that every award show should have a "no acting a fool" policy! Aren't award shows BORING ENOUGH? Don't be a fun nazi.  | |
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BlaqueKnight said: estelle81 said: Kanye has a tendency to speak before he thoroughly thinks it through. When he made that comment about Bush, I could only laugh and think to myself, "Dude, why the fuck did you just say that on a nationally televised program? You're soo going on the FBI Watch List." You don't say things that can piss off the government on TV. They will arrest your ass and call you a terrorist, even if it's not true. Possible threat to the President. They're the government and they have more power and money than even you. You only say stuff like that to people who know you and won't use it to fuck you over. He obviously thought about what he said sometime after the program, because he apologized. I bet'cha his ass won't say it again. Nowadays, they put people on the Most Wanted list for saying lesser evils about the government or the President. He needs to leave his little temper tantrums strictly to awards shows and not try to get political. [Edited 11/3/06 20:52pm] And what do you call not being able to speak out about your government in a public forum? It sure as hell isn't democracy. You can't and shouldn't live your life in fear of a government watch list. You seem alright with the idea of being censored. ("I bet'cha his ass won't say it again."). Maybe you're cool with that. Maybe communism and imperialism is cool with you; not me. Obviously not Kanye, either. I wish he hadn't apologized. The TRUTH needs no apologies. [/color] [Edited 11/4/06 3:19am] he should (and does) have the right to speak out and (ab)use the airwaves any way he wishes. but you know, he really should have thought "this moment isn't about me. maybe i should keep my ignorant tantrums to myself for the 5 minutes i'm up here tonight." but then, you could say that about all of his appearances. and i think the word you were looking for was fascism. [Edited 11/5/06 1:51am] "The world of the heterosexual is a sick and boring life. " -- Edith Massey in Female Trouble | |
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BlaqueKnight said: TonyVanDam said: I say that every award show should have a "no acting a fool" policy! Aren't award shows BORING ENOUGH? Don't be a fun nazi. BK, music award shows haven't been fun IMO since 1993. I stop watching most of them all together before the 21 century. And beside, the only award show that matters is Billboard (and the winner is always the ones that stay #1 the longest on any of the charts for that particular year). | |
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Very wrong and he ruined the rightful winners moment. That would be like someone fucking up your wedding or something. He should not be invited back. If he did it to Prince we would all be pissed. Don't take life too seriously, noone gets out alive. | |
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guitarslinger44 said: I just watched the video and I agree with Missfee, it seemed like he wasn't even serious. It almost seemed planned to me. Which, to me makes it even worse. It would be one thing if he was just livid and pissed off that he didn't win, but to do some lame shit like that...to quote the man himself, "Hell naw!"
yeah i kind of got this vibe too, like it was staged. especially when he first got on stage his mic wasn't on,then someone just flipped the switch and it was on....  I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince. | |
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TonyVanDam said: StillDirrty said: You can see it here. http://www.fadedyouth.blogspot.com/
Look like the other guys weren't offended by Kanye at all. They thought the whole thing was funny. [Edited 11/4/06 13:20pm] that's what i got from it too. especially since Kanye had his arm around one of the guys....they were laughing and smiling the whole time. [Edited 11/5/06 10:33am] I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince. | |
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