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PrintableShapeshifter said: TurnItUp said: All the buzz is that the CD is a disappointment.I heard it and though it has some good tracks, my guess is she has burned everybody out with the sex stuff and whispering instead of actually sing. Janet you are an amazing talent, but drop the sex act and find something else to sing about. Better yet, why don't you sing period instead of whispering.
It's not selling because it's as tired as yesterday's dogshit. Who wants to buy that? And it won't sell that much any more because her midget (who is largely to blame for how this laser guided turd came out) has seriously fucked things up for her at Virgin. I hope she gets her act together, dumps the troll and makes a great next album. The thing is, The Troll has probably got her convinced that 20 JOKES is a masterpiece, and that it's global failure is the record company's fault as opposed to his fault. Plus, as with her ex, she obviously likes to get her partners involved with her albums. "Her midget"LMAO larry luvlife
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NUMBER ONE!!!!!
Jermaine Dupri should have NEVER been able to say "So So Def" on her CD AT ALL!!!! Totally FU**ed her up!!!!! NUMBER TWO!!!!! Just like she declared independence from Papa Joe, give Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis a "break". Don't get me wrong, I LOVE those guys, but the CD title says it all: 20 Y.O. Guys, it's been a good run!!!!! NUMBER THREE!!!!! Give her some "new blood" in the BOOTH!!!!! Talk to Timbaland (he's on an AMAZING upswing RIGHT NOW!!!!!), Will.I.Am (cuz even though I don't like what's goin' on with the Black Eyed Peas, he's on a roll as well. Even heard he's collaborating with MICHAEL!!!!), Kanye' and Just Blaze even.....DO SOMETHING ELSE!!!!! and last, but not least NUMBER FOUR!!!!! My girl & I were watching Ciara's new video the other morning.....Janet: let Ciara copy what you did 20 years ago. YOU don't have to compete with the likes of her. SHE should be bowing down to YOU!!!!! We don't wanna see your "breassesses" and navel NO MO'!!!!! Come with some quality product!!!!! | |
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I just read a post at jj.com from a fan in attendance at the Ellen show taping about Janet performing S.EX and Nasty--the same thing that she performed on Oprah.  I would think she'd come-up with something else by now.. maybe a little somethin' somethin' to preview a new single.
Honestly, I just don't think JANET... not J.D., not Gil, not Virgin, not Terry, Jimmy or even friggin Rene--has her heart in it anymore. The album is not selling because from start to finish, Janet just put a half-ass effort into it--which is fine if that's what she wants to do. But it's not all of the other factors. There isn't a conspiracy. It's Janet. I just think she's going through the motions--just to fulfill her commitment to Virgin, and that's it.The ONLY other explanation is that maybe she is "pacing herself" now because she is really planning an all-out tour in the spring. However, at this point in time, it's like everything is in slow motion. There's no excitement.. Nada It's really weird. And 20 Y. O. isn't selling because there weren't enough people even interested. The music just didn't appeal to the general public, period. Obviously, Janet isn't even interested in it either. [Edited 11/2/06 18:03pm] | |
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shorttrini said: wonder505 said: You must have read my mind because I was just thinking how Jam and Lewis have been mighty quiet. I wonder how they feel about all this? JD and this whole mess? Getting back together with Jam & Lewis, will not help her either. They are just going to give her the same industrial sound stuff from the last cd. She needs to get together with new people. I know that this may be a stretch, but maybe Andre 3000...somebody to bring out that thing that has been dying inside of her for some time now. I agree,Jam and Lewis wouldn't be a good idea.They ran out of ideas many years ago and I don't think they'd be able to give Janet the fresh,new sound that she needs.Andre3000 would be an interesting choice.So would the Gorillaz. | |
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larryluvlife said: Shapeshifter said: It's not selling because it's as tired as yesterday's dogshit. Who wants to buy that? And it won't sell that much any more because her midget (who is largely to blame for how this laser guided turd came out) has seriously fucked things up for her at Virgin. I hope she gets her act together, dumps the troll and makes a great next album. The thing is, The Troll has probably got her convinced that 20 JOKES is a masterpiece, and that it's global failure is the record company's fault as opposed to his fault. Plus, as with her ex, she obviously likes to get her partners involved with her albums. "Her midget"LMAO why does she have to dump her relationship behind a record. That's just silly. He should have never been a part of this project but their relationship seems fine to me.  | |
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Rhondab said: larryluvlife said: "Her midget"LMAO why does she have to dump her relationship behind a record. That's just silly. He should have never been a part of this project but their relationship seems fine to me. To me, Janet could bring in anybody she chooses. The blame has to fall on Janet. To blame Jermaine for the failure of this record, is like blaming Bobby for Whitney's drug habit. In both cases the blame should be pointed on Janet and Whitney. "Love is like peeing in your pants, everyone sees it but only you feel its warmth" |
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Axchi696 said: Ellie said: I was discussing this post:
These are statements telling us that we will or should like the new 20YO tracks. Quite frankly it baffles me. Thing is, neither 'Someday is Tonight' nor 'Come Back To Me' made references to Janet lying in bed masturbating, the way that 'Take Care' does. As much as I like 'Do It 2 Me', 'That's the Way Love Goes' doesn't have the troll almost ruin the beginning of the song with his cliched "rap". Nor does it have that annoying line about "giving me pleasure" or whatever she sings. 'Daybreak' is a cute song, however, 'Escapade' was a classic feel-good jam. Everyone could relate to it; few people can relate to a 40 year old singing about sneaking out of her parents' house for a booty-call, however. Janet's rock songs have become more and more derivative of one another; 'This Body' is from the same cloth as 'Trust a Try', however, 'Trust a Try' was like putting elements from 'What About', 'This Time' and 'If' together anyway. Actually, I think I prefer 'This Body' to TAT. Finally, you're not really selling 'Get It Out Me' if you're compairing it to a "bad" hip hop song  . It's juvenile. Get WHAT out you, Janet? How 'bout making some sense on your next album?
It makes me sad that Damita Jo is so overlooked; at least it had some great songs mixed in with the drivel. 'All Nite', 'I Want You', 'R&B Junkie', 'Like You Don't Love Me', and 'Slo Love' all are head and shoulders above anything on 20 Y.O. ALL im saying is that if your a true janet fan.... you really enjoy janets style of music... you SHOULD like this new album and i know people that are bashing the new album... im assuming are NOT janet fans.. and do not enjoy her unique style of music... but im NOT saying that the songs are identical... IM saying she TOOK ELEMENTS from her old songs... to create her new album... and these new jj songs sound amamzing... im NOT telling anyone to like the album... IM just stating my case... that if you dont like this album... Im assuming you never liked janet's work from the 90's... because she really went back to her 90's RnB roots with this album... IN CONCLUSION... true janet fans will like this album... others will hate and not give it a chance... pre-judge the album... and listen to the media.. and label it this album as crap... |
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i truely believe the album is not selling NOT because of the quality of the sogns... because they actually sound great.... but its the media... and she is still getting back lash from the superbowl and being a Jackson...
and right now the media and public are not feeling janet... she's not considered a "hot" artist right now... thats the thing with the music industry... you cant just have great songs you have to be popular too... because most music sales seemed to be based on the popularity of artist... and you can look at mariah's career... when she was popular she sells the most... when people get tired of her... she might only sell a million if she is lucky... I remember when everyoen was saying how good... Mariahs new album IOM was so great... so everyone went along with the media and bought that boring album... even though it only had like 3 or 4 decent songs... IOM was an okay album... i would bet a million dollars.. if the media didnt hype mariahs album up... it would have never got that much attention... or radio air play... everyone follows the media... and they dont realize it... because there are so many artist out there with great albums... but they just dont get the support from the media... and or their album gets a negative press.. and everyone says... "we if they dont like it.. .then i wont"... and everyone follows each other... when someone thinks something is "hot" everyone rushes out to buy it (even if its not necessarily good)... just so they can feel like they are apart of the crowd.... |
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The album is pretty good. Its just targeted at kids and the formula that they like is garbage. Jimmy and Terry write beautiful, lush, funky music. American children know little or nothing about that. America obsesses on youth and the industry is exhibit A. Her, Jermaine, Jimmy and Terry all should have been bold enough to write material thats appropriate to her age. It would be sexy as all get out if she put on a tight long black dress and sang some good songs instead of trying to make the 106 and Park countdown. What chu talkin bout shawty indeed. | |
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TotalAlisa said: i truely believe the album is not selling NOT because of the quality of the sogns... because they actually sound great.... but its the media... and she is still getting back lash from the superbowl and being a Jackson...
and right now the media and public are not feeling janet... she's not considered a "hot" artist right now... thats the thing with the music industry... you cant just have great songs you have to be popular too... because most music sales seemed to be based on the popularity of artist... and you can look at mariah's career... when she was popular she sells the most... when people get tired of her... she might only sell a million if she is lucky... I remember when everyoen was saying how good... Mariahs new album IOM was so great... so everyone went along with the media and bought that boring album... even though it only had like 3 or 4 decent songs... IOM was an okay album... i would bet a million dollars.. if the media didnt hype mariahs album up... it would have never got that much attention... or radio air play... everyone follows the media... and they dont realize it... because there are so many artist out there with great albums... but they just dont get the support from the media... and or their album gets a negative press.. and everyone says... "we if they dont like it.. .then i wont"... and everyone follows each other... when someone thinks something is "hot" everyone rushes out to buy it (even if its not necessarily good)... just so they can feel like they are apart of the crowd.... Emancipation of Mimi did better because it had better songs. | |
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JonnyApplesauce said: The album is pretty good. Its just targeted at kids and the formula that they like is garbage. Jimmy and Terry write beautiful, lush, funky music. American children know little or nothing about that. America obsesses on youth and the industry is exhibit A. Her, Jermaine, Jimmy and Terry all should have been bold enough to write material thats appropriate to her age. It would be sexy as all get out if she put on a tight long black dress and sang some good songs instead of trying to make the 106 and Park countdown. What chu talkin bout shawty indeed.
then it all goes back to Janet. she made the decision on the direction this CD should go, so she has no one else to blame. I really want her to get Jermaine Dupri out of the picture and I still believe in Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis and I hope next time she will take back where it was just the three of them. Oh well, the CD is trash and I'm just going to wait to go to the tour. | |
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wonder505 said: TotalAlisa said: i truely believe the album is not selling NOT because of the quality of the sogns... because they actually sound great.... but its the media... and she is still getting back lash from the superbowl and being a Jackson...
and right now the media and public are not feeling janet... she's not considered a "hot" artist right now... thats the thing with the music industry... you cant just have great songs you have to be popular too... because most music sales seemed to be based on the popularity of artist... and you can look at mariah's career... when she was popular she sells the most... when people get tired of her... she might only sell a million if she is lucky... I remember when everyoen was saying how good... Mariahs new album IOM was so great... so everyone went along with the media and bought that boring album... even though it only had like 3 or 4 decent songs... IOM was an okay album... i would bet a million dollars.. if the media didnt hype mariahs album up... it would have never got that much attention... or radio air play... everyone follows the media... and they dont realize it... because there are so many artist out there with great albums... but they just dont get the support from the media... and or their album gets a negative press.. and everyone says... "we if they dont like it.. .then i wont"... and everyone follows each other... when someone thinks something is "hot" everyone rushes out to buy it (even if its not necessarily good)... just so they can feel like they are apart of the crowd.... Emancipation of Mimi did better because it had better songs. the emacipation had 2 major hits... thats why it sold more... but the rest of the songs... were weak and slow and sounded typical... janet was unable to have 2 major hits... so she didnt get as much attention... also read my post in the thread about 20 Y.O vs Mimi |
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wonder505 said: JonnyApplesauce said: The album is pretty good. Its just targeted at kids and the formula that they like is garbage. Jimmy and Terry write beautiful, lush, funky music. American children know little or nothing about that. America obsesses on youth and the industry is exhibit A. Her, Jermaine, Jimmy and Terry all should have been bold enough to write material thats appropriate to her age. It would be sexy as all get out if she put on a tight long black dress and sang some good songs instead of trying to make the 106 and Park countdown. What chu talkin bout shawty indeed.
then it all goes back to Janet. she made the decision on the direction this CD should go, so she has no one else to blame. I really want her to get Jermaine Dupri out of the picture and I still believe in Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis and I hope next time she will take back where it was just the three of them. Oh well, the CD is trash and I'm just going to wait to go to the tour. Im assuming your not a janet... fan... because if you were you would generally like this album... even a little bit Jimmy and terry did work ont his new album... thats why the songs... had elements from her old songs that were used to create the new songs on this album |
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TotalAlisa said: wonder505 said: then it all goes back to Janet. she made the decision on the direction this CD should go, so she has no one else to blame. I really want her to get Jermaine Dupri out of the picture and I still believe in Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis and I hope next time she will take back where it was just the three of them. Oh well, the CD is trash and I'm just going to wait to go to the tour. Im assuming your not a janet... fan... because if you were you would generally like this album... even a little bit Jimmy and terry did work ont his new album... thats why the songs... had elements from her old songs that were used to create the new songs on this album Just because a CD has elements of an artist's past music, does not automatically make it good. Prince's Musicology CD to me, has elements of Sign Of the Times funk, but I do not like Musicology at all, but I consider Sign O'Times an absolute classic. Songs may have elements but the end result is what matters and I'm not impressed with the end result of 20 YO. and why do you keep saying that people who don't like Janet's 20 YO are not fans. Just because I'm a Janet fan don't mean I have to follow her around like a zombie and accept everything she does. Everyone has different tastes. I may love a Prince album to death, but I'm mature enough to realize that other fans have different taste and may not perceive my love for a song the way I do, regardless of what elements are apart of songs or CDs. [Edited 11/3/06 16:57pm] | |
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wonder505 said: TotalAlisa said: Im assuming your not a janet... fan... because if you were you would generally like this album... even a little bit Jimmy and terry did work ont his new album... thats why the songs... had elements from her old songs that were used to create the new songs on this album Just because a CD has elements of an artist's past music, does not automatically make it good. Prince's Musicology CD to me, has elements of Sign Of the Times funk, but I do not like Musicology at all, but I consider Sign O'Times an absolute classic. Songs may have elements but the end result is what matters and I'm not impressed with the end result of 20 YO. and why do you keep saying that people who don't like Janet's 20 YO are not fans. Just because I'm a Janet fan don't mean I have to follow her around like a zombie and accept everything she does. Everyone has different tastes. I may love a Prince album to death, but I'm mature enough to realize that other fans have different taste and may not perceive my love for a song the way I do, regardless of what elements are apart of songs or CDs. [Edited 11/3/06 16:57pm] I haven't actually liked Prince's last three CDs, but I'm not writing him off. I'm not writing Janet off either because I reckon she'll come to her senses, look at where she went wrong with the last two albums and release something quite different - and, hopefully much better than 20 JOkes. There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently | |
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20 Y.O. Intro
Well there's something to... Are you recording? There's something to be said for not saying anything I've talked about racism, spousal abuse, empowering women, children I've talked about a lot of things What do I talk about this time? You know what...I guess I never talked about sex Yeah...that's right I'm gonna talk about my sexual awakening I'm gonnna moan...and whisper...people never seen me like this Definitely, for the first time in 20 years I'm gonna explore my sexuality Yeah..that' s it (what yo talkin 'bout shorty?) | |
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go2theMax said: 20 Y.O. Intro
Well there's something to... Are you recording? There's something to be said for not saying anything I've talked about racism, spousal abuse, empowering women, children I've talked about a lot of things What do I talk about this time? You know what...I guess I never talked about sex Yeah...that's right I'm gonna talk about my sexual awakening I'm gonnna moan...and whisper...people never seen me like this Definitely, for the first time in 20 years I'm gonna explore my sexuality Yeah..that' s it (what yo talkin 'bout shorty?) is that for real?  and true love lives on lollipops and crisps | |
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IstenSzek said:[quote] go2theMax said: is that for real?
she actually says: "Well there's something to... Are you recording? There's something to be said for not saying anything I've talked about racism, spousal abuse, empowering women, children I've talked about a lot of things What do I talk about this time? I've covered a lot in my 20 years And I've uncovered a lot in my 20 years But I wanna keep it light I don't wanna be serious I wanna have fun I know I don't know That's what I do know" But I guess she meant 2 say that that posted above 
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go2theMax said:[quote] IstenSzek said: go2theMax said: is that for real?
she actually says: "Well there's something to... Are you recording? There's something to be said for not saying anything I've talked about racism, spousal abuse, empowering women, children I've talked about a lot of things What do I talk about this time? I've covered a lot in my 20 years And I've uncovered a lot in my 20 years But I wanna keep it light I don't wanna be serious I wanna have fun I know I don't know That's what I do know" But I guess she meant 2 say that that posted above
So So Dumb
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Just adding my 2 cents.
I totally agree that Janet needs to take back control. Working with someone you love is never really a good thing. I've read on other news site that janet did explore new songs and sounds with other producers. However, JD must have convinced her to go his way. And Virgin decided to release it. It's not one person's fault. I'm sure Virgin released it as to not create waves with JD since he works for Virgin. And JD thought he was hot shit because of his mariah success. And I will personally add, his touches did nothing for Monica's disc and a few others right? i think the CD is an example of bad timing and choices. Personally, I like the dance songs...so basically half the CD. I do love With U, Take Care, Rollwithu, etc. I dont like Daybreak and Love2Love and cannot even listen to them. However, my song skipping habits are not up for debate. I think ditching JD as a producer and go do some futuristic shit or deep dance club songs is te best step. Personally, a dance club CD would be the best. And let JD do some r & b mixes for you. And if his ego can't handle it...then "take care" of yourself again. | |
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