SoulAlive said:

I stand REFUTED. I still think, however, that female artists' sales recede more rapidly with age in the post-MTV era.

Ellie said:

Oh come on. The poster said the songs were reminisent of her past ones and they are. Read what you just quoted me. Nobody said they was just as good (or worse but the consensus is...lol). The cd is a pastiche' of her old albums. Sorry but its true and that poster who stated such hit the nail on the head.

No, I stand by it. I named 2 old and 2 newer MJ songs that have the same vibe or theme yet they're totally different quality wise. You just like what you like. Just because you like one thing doesn't mean you HAVE to like another because someone else feels they're a tiny bit similar.

Someone needs to listen to RN1814 and 20YO back to back a few times and then try to legitimately tell themselves that the latter is a pastiche of older albums. It's like saying The Rainbow Children is a pastiche of 1999. THAT'S how ridiculous I think the comparisons are.
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Ellie said:

I agree with that. Who said you have to like it because they are similar? I think what the poster was stating is that they couldn't understand why old J fans dont like the cd since it had songs in the style reminiscent of the ones they had enjoyed in the past and thats what they were complaining about: that this new direction was wrong. It wasn't a really new direction, it's the same Janet of yore.

I still don't think so. RN1814 is a Pop album through and through. Janet has changed, only she's regressed instead of progressed.

Ellie said:

That's a totally different point then what we were discussing.

I was discussing this post:



These are statements telling us that we will or should like the new 20YO tracks. Quite frankly it baffles me.

Ellie said:

I know thats what we were discussing. But you just said she regressed (she did her same ol material) and didn't progress. So even if it was the same point discussed which it wasn't it would mean you agreed that the songs on 20 are her usual

That would mean she was stunted. I said she regressed, cos back when she was 23 she was still growing, her audience weren't just teenagers, which seems ironic that now she's 40 and is being marketed towards 15 year olds. She even had something to say, however naive and simplified if was, she was actually interesting.
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Ellie said:

Thing is, neither 'Someday is Tonight' nor 'Come Back To Me' made references to Janet lying in bed masturbating, the way that 'Take Care' does.

As much as I like 'Do It 2 Me', 'That's the Way Love Goes' doesn't have the troll almost ruin the beginning of the song with his cliched "rap". Nor does it have that annoying line about "giving me pleasure" or whatever she sings.

'Daybreak' is a cute song, however, 'Escapade' was a classic feel-good jam. Everyone could relate to it; few people can relate to a 40 year old singing about sneaking out of her parents' house for a booty-call, however.

Janet's rock songs have become more and more derivative of one another; 'This Body' is from the same cloth as 'Trust a Try', however, 'Trust a Try' was like putting elements from 'What About', 'This Time' and 'If' together anyway. Actually, I think I prefer 'This Body' to TAT.

Finally, you're not really selling 'Get It Out Me' if you're compairing it to a "bad" hip hop song . It's juvenile. Get WHAT out you, Janet? How 'bout making some sense on your next album?

It makes me sad that Damita Jo is so overlooked; at least it had some great songs mixed in with the drivel. 'All Nite', 'I Want You', 'R&B Junkie', 'Like You Don't Love Me', and 'Slo Love' all are head and shoulders above anything on 20 Y.O.

Axchi696 said:

And the average stuff was highly listenable too.

CrozzaUK said:

Do you really think that Virgin wants this album to be a success, really? So they can lose Janet or be forced to pay her more to stay....If the album doesn't do well, she might come back for less or they can trash the hell out of her when he leaves (which will be the case, just like Tom Cruise....it's funny but now that his new "Mission Impossibe" is on DVD, they are still trashing him, so I guess they could give a shit less about DVD sales and rentals, but are more concerned with being right and trashing his career).

VinnyM27 said:

I understand the politics of it all, what im trying to say is that it is not the reason people aren't buying the record. It has been promoted as sufficiently as most of her earlier records - the difference being that it doesnt have the quality to back up the hype - that is the reason it isnt selling.

Im so sick of all this shit about record companies promoting the hell out of an artist just to get them a debut at #1, or just to push their airplay higher - if the songs are good enough - no artist needs their record company to pull strings for them - the songs will sell themselves.

Look at Mariah Carey's last efforts. No on gave a shit about Charmbraclet because it had rubbish songs on the whole - and this was her first album for her new label. Similarly It's Like That wasn't doing major stuff and Mimi didn't really kick in sales wise until she released We Belong Together - probably one of her best songs. People got the album and realised it actually contained several good songs and it became a big seller.

Can you honestly tell me you listen to 20YO and say to yourself "that is a hit album if ever i heard one" - it just doesnt have the quality there. You may enjoy it on a personal level - but you cant honestly say it has enough to appeal to the masses. Virgin could have pumped millions into that record and no one would have bought it - because you cant buy people opinions.

First and formost, Janet used to be naturally sexy, (this was before her sexual reveloution) during her control, R-N-1814 days, before her infamous 'Janet' album (but she was still sexy after that) BUT...after that superbowl incident, she just comes off as despert to me, which is a real disappointment, cause I used to looooove me some Janet back in day, even as a child. And then the over 40 factor...most women over 40 dont sell pop records well...and the media is so mean to women over 40 its not even funny! (I am seriously cherishing my 20's for real!) But I still think Janet is a very beautiful woman, she just doesnt have to show all that skin to be sexy, she's just naturally sexy!

I wish Janet would just gain about 20 pounds back, get some hooped earrings, and get in her old black, and just dance dance dance like she used to, without the clevage!! She was even good during her 'Design of a decade' era!






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Janet at her best in her pleasure principal video:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=022lPiUR1_0
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Shapeshifter said:

Some good posts here. And yet some still can't understand why there are those who don't like the album...as if it really matters other than different tastes. There's no conspiracy for folks to turn their backs on Janet.

I guess one of the reasons why some if not most people dislike this cd due to the fact that she is singing....oh i mean....whispering about the same old tired stuff from previous cd's. There are not risks taken on this cd. Like I have said in a related post, you know that this is like your "Comeback from the Superbowl fiasco", CD and your first single from it is that tired as hell duet with Nelly???? Come on Janet, bring it!!! At least Beyonce's lead single off of b'day had some bump to it and she has been in the biz a lot shorter that Janet. People can blame Jermain all they want...In the end, it is Janet who has to take, control, (no pun intended).

I agree,Beyonce's "Deja Vu" is a good song.It's fast and exciting...exactly the kind of single that Janet needed to come out with.

I agree about Deja Vu. It definitely makes you nod your head. When I hear that slow drawn out synth sample that opens up So Excited, I feel tired. It just never made me want to get up and dance or even snap my neck.

Time for her to explore new territory. Like some reviewer said, when she who shall not be named was 40--or near 40--she put out ROL. I thought Janet was going to spank our azzes with some groundbreaking sickness. Honest to God I wanted to believe that.

Where are Jam & Lewis? Haven’t heard a peep from them in months.

i guess when you have a little gremlin who's taking care of biz in the bedroom, you would want to sing about it too, or oops i'm sorry, whisper about it.

JackieBlue said:

You must have read my mind because I was just thinking how Jam and Lewis have been mighty quiet. I wonder how they feel about all this? JD and this whole mess?
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wonder505 said:

Getting back together with Jam & Lewis, will not help her either. They are just going to give her the same industrial sound stuff from the last cd. She needs to get together with new people. I know that this may be a stretch, but maybe Andre 3000...somebody to bring out that thing that has been dying inside of her for some time now.

Yeah, Jam & Lewis have lost some spark but I'm still curious as to what they think of the outcome and feedback.

She may need a clean slate. Totally new producers and have a lover who is not involved in any aspect of her career. She would be solely on her own. No father, brother(s), lover, best friends, girlfriends or long time business companions on deck.Imagine that.

Maybe her brother should produce her next CD. His is not that bad of a producer. Look what he did for Diana and Rebe, Brownstone...I think if she let him take the reins, it would do the following. First, it would get both of their creative juices flowing again. Next, it would cause the both of them to rely on themselves and each other and lastly, it would make Michael believe in himself again. This would only help him. Just a thought.

the reason it failed is because she didnt show us her minge

once she gets her bushy minge out it will be a success

comon janet

get ya minge out so we can see it

dirtyman2005 said:

I think you're right. All these years she's been banging on about how hot and horny she is. She's flicked herself off on record more times than I can count, but never got her minge out. 1 tit in all these years - that simply doesnt deliver the goods shes promising. She needs to do a few full tit and minge shots. At least Madonna had the balls to get hers out - she had the goods to back up all that moaning.

iconsweat said:

love you too

JackieBlue said:

it's confirmed, look for her on ellen, tyra and jimmy kimmel as well!

VinnyM27 said:

EXACTLY!