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PrintableJackieBlue said: Axchi696 said: Janet has really worked at alienating her fanbase with this album; from the stale JD production, the absence of hooks, the disappointing lead single, and the promise of an upbeat dance album, the fans have been continually promised something that wasn't delivered. Dupri has ignored the people that have been with Janet since the beginning (or at least '86), and has tried to market her towards the 14 year old crowd.
Plus, the whole sex kitten act has really begun to annoy; Janet has been "exploring her sexuality" ever since the 'Love Will Never Do' video back in '90. People are really bored of her 'I Love My Vag and Push Up Bra' act. Taken together with the whole Superbowl fiasco, Janet seems stuck in some sort of stunted stage of sexual development. For the next album, she really needs to go back to the drawing board, and think not only about what worked for her in the past, but also how to present a fresh image. Sounds paradoxical, but other popstars have done it successfully in recent years. Madonna's COADF is a modern update of her early sound, U2's past few albums successfully referenced their past glories without sounding dated, and by "rediscovering" her voice, Mariah had her most successful album in almost 10 years. 20 YO was built up like a 'Confessions...', 'How To Dismantle', or 'Emancipation', but didn't deliver. It would be like U2 in 1998 promising that their new album would be a return to their Joshua Tree-era sound only to deliver another 'Pop'. Fans were not amused. Great post. Some people still have a hard time accepting that. At the end of the day it still comes down to opinions. And alot of opinions of the record buying public gave it a pass. Yup, yup, yup! Agree with all this. To me, it's been one of the most disappointing albums of this decade. [Edited 10/31/06 14:57pm] | |
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TurnItUp said: All the buzz is that the CD is a disappointment.I heard it and though it has some good tracks, my guess is she has burned everybody out with the sex stuff and whispering instead of actually sing. Janet you are an amazing talent, but drop the sex act and find something else to sing about. Better yet, why don't you sing period instead of whispering.
Janet is NOT whispering on the entire cd. She sounds great on "With U", "Enjoy", "Take Care" and "Love to Love". |
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TotalAlisa said: well if you like the song... Someday is tonight or Comeback to me... then you will like her new song "Take care" off 20 Y.O
if you like her song thats the way love goes and got til its gone.. then you will like the song "do it to me"... of 20 Y.O if you like the song Escapade from RN then you will like her new song "DaybreaK" if you like the song Trust a try from AFY and You from TVR then you will like her new song " This BODY"... if you like any of those bad hip hop songs from Damita jo.. then you will like her new song "GET it out of me"... and if you like a fresh uptempo RnB song you will love her new song "WITH U" it sounds like it has the same melodies as mariahs song shake it off... Thats pretty much half her album.... i dont understand how someone can be a true janet fan and not love this album... she really took her elements from her old songs... and created this album with them... I criticise janet the worst... AND even i think this album is good... even though i wasnt expecting it to sound this great... i just think because the media labeled it as a bad album... everyone is believing it.... i heard mariahs new album... and ITs OKAY... she has a like 4 or 5 songs on there that are decent.. the others are average Rnb songs... but everyone was saying how great the album was.. and talked positive about it... so everyone joined in and supported her new album... even though... her album was really Okay... NOt her best... but with janet... no one wants to give support... and i could understand if those songs... sounded really terrible... but they actually sound like her music from the 90's that everyone says they love so much... I agree. I really enjoy the new cd. |
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shorttrini said: Because it SUCKS!!!
and she sucks !!!!! | |
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IstenSzek said: Ellie said: Why are you applauding that? If you have EARS I don't know how you can compare Daybreak to Escapade.
lol. it's the same thing with people saying "The Dance" is like "The Beautiful Ones" part II 
just cause prince has a fit at the end doesn't make it The Beautiful Ones  "Who said that re: Prince or Janet? The poster stated some songs are reminiscent of some past songs and they are. Nobody said they were the same or better. No artist 20 years in makes the same quality songs as their past if their past had great songs in the repetoire. The poster stated some songs have elements of the past and they do regardless if you like them or not. Get over yourself with your "disbelief". "when Im in those arms of yours I'm so gone"-With U/Janet | |
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poop is, as poop does.
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badujunkie said: Tessa said:  except for the fact that America produced a very successful career for her.You don't know the facts.
It was the UK that gave Tina her first comeback hit single with "Lets Stay Together." Without that fan base, which had been loyal ever since "River Deep Mountain High" flopped in the US but hit the top 5 in the UK, Capitol would not have pushed her album or relased it in the first place. Her fan base in the Europe has always been bigger. Always. i'm not talking about a comeback. i'm talking about giving her a career to come back from. River Deep Mountain High not withstanding, she was primarily an American star before she moved to Europe. and Europeans weren't buying those crap late 70's albums of hers in any higher numbers than Americans were. "I don't need your forgiveness, cos I've been saved by Jesus, so fuck you." | |
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badujunkie said: Tessa said: this part is baloney. Virgin has no interest in any of their product(s) failing and to suggest otherwise speaks of a total lack of understanding of commerce. Read between the lines. Have you seen Janet pushed in any market besides Urban? Have you seen Target commercials for the album or any exposure that wasn't Oprah or BET or Vibe Magazine or Ebony or Jet or Essence? had she made an album that appealed to anyone outside of the 14 year old urban market, they'd be promoting her to those people. since she put out a by-the-numbers modern krunk & b album, where the hell do you think they're going to promote it? No, you haven't. Oprah is the exception. Virgin is NOT promoting Janet to her normal pop audience and there's a reason for it.
as I said above, the reason is she didn't put out a pop album. Actually there are 550,000 reasons for it that were issued by the FCC. Virgin the BRAND is worried about it's name being linked to hers (which is still dirty from the SB) in the LONG RUN, and not one failed flop album that they can recoup next quarter.
no, i'm sorry. Virgin was not fined by the FCC. they were fined by fans that are sick of her putting out shit albums with only sex on the brain. if they were really that interested in losing her, they would have either jettisoned her with a nice lump sum (as they did with Mariah) or just refused to put out any more albums by her and waited for the contract to expire. To suggest that this type of shit doesn't happen all the time in the music business where labels sabotage their own artists in a short term sacrifice for long term brand recognition speaks of a total lack of understanding of branding, marketing, and the pimp game that is the biz.
[Edited 10/31/06 14:52pm] the problem is, not promoting her as heavily as in the past isn't sabotaging her. there isn't anyone out there who is interested in buying a Janet Jackson album that doesn't know she has an album out. there are only so many potential customers for a shit CD put out by a 40 year old female pop singer that only wants to sing about sex. "I don't need your forgiveness, cos I've been saved by Jesus, so fuck you." | |
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iconsweat said: IstenSzek said: lol. it's the same thing with people saying "The Dance" is like "The Beautiful Ones" part II
just cause prince has a fit at the end doesn't make it The Beautiful Ones "Who said that re: Prince or Janet? The poster stated some songs are reminiscent of some past songs and they are. Nobody said they were the same or better. No artist 20 years in makes the same quality songs as their past if their past had great songs in the repetoire. The poster stated some songs have elements of the past and they do regardless if you like them or not. Get over yourself with your "disbelief". That's your opinion though, just because you hear those elements, don't mean everybody perceives it the same way. | |
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badujunkie said: Tessa said: this part is baloney. Virgin has no interest in any of their product(s) failing and to suggest otherwise speaks of a total lack of understanding of commerce. Read between the lines. Have you seen Janet pushed in any market besides Urban? Have you seen Target commercials for the album or any exposure that wasn't Oprah or BET or Vibe Magazine or Ebony or Jet or Essence? No, you haven't. Oprah is the exception. Virgin is NOT promoting Janet to her normal pop audience and there's a reason for it. Actually there are 550,000 reasons for it that were issued by the FCC. Virgin the BRAND is worried about it's name being linked to hers (which is still dirty from the SB) in the LONG RUN, and not one failed flop album that they can recoup next quarter. To suggest that this type of shit doesn't happen all the time in the music business where labels sabotage their own artists in a short term sacrifice for long term brand recognition speaks of a total lack of understanding of branding, marketing, and the pimp game that is the biz. [Edited 10/31/06 14:52pm] bull!!! Look at she who shall be nameless.... Early controversy about using religion and sex LAV controversy Papa Don't Preach controversy LAP controversy Express Yourself controversy Blonde Ambition controversy Justify My Love controversy Sex/Erotica controversy David Letterman controversy Shanti/Ray of Light on VMA controversy Drowned World video controversy What It Feels Like for A Girl controversy American Life Contoversy Britney Kiss controversy Issac controversy Confessions Tour Controversy Adoption controversy WB would still bend over backwards to support her because after all of this she still is able to put out music people wanna buy. Year after year Sire/WB/Maverick have stood behind her and the firstorms she created, because she brings in the sales. Janet's work has suffered since Velvet Rope! I love Janet but you have to be a KoolAid drinker if you feel it is everyone elses fault but hers that her album isn't selling. Janet is a big enough name where doesn't need promotion if the album is good! You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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People are tired of Janet and what she is offering.....whispering all through the album....constant references to sex....appearing on the cover of several magazines,doing the exact same pose,with her boobs nearly showing....it's played out! She needs to evolve,try some new beats,and go in a whole new direction.People aren't gonna keep on buying the same album over and over. | |
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iconsweat said: Who said that re: Prince or Janet? The poster stated some songs are reminiscent of some past songs and they are. Nobody said they were the same or better. No artist 20 years in makes the same quality songs as their past if their past had great songs in the repetoire. The poster stated some songs have elements of the past and they do regardless if you like them or not. Get over yourself with your "disbelief".
It's like me saying if you like MJ's 'The Lady In My Life' you'll like 'Break Of Dawn'. If you like 'Thriller' then you should like 'Threatened'. Ridiculous! | |
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badujunkie said: Read between the lines.Have you seen Janet pushed in any market besides Urban? Have you seen Target commercials for the album or any exposure that wasn't Oprah or BET or Vibe Magazine or Ebony or Jet or Essence? No, you haven't. Oprah is the exception. Virgin is NOT promoting Janet to her normal pop audience and there's a reason for it.
And you can blame Jermaine Dupri for that.He's the one who tried to position Janet as an "urban" artist...making sure her CD is filled with midtempo R&B grooves that sounds just like like the crap you would find on a Ciara or Ashanti CD.I bet he's the one who brought Nelly and Kiara on board.In his view,it was important for Janet to make an album that the hip-hop community would like.Never mind the fact that Janet is mostly a "pop artist". | |
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namepeace said: Tessa said: Aretha was pretty huge around 1986, though (so to speak). Sure, that's not the best example. But with Madonna, Sade, Janet, and other 80's starlets roaming the scene, it was tough going for her in the early 80's and after that (other than the George Michael duet). She wasn't dominant. are you sure about that Name? What was the cd with Freeway of love on it? I recall Aretha having a successful cd back then along with Natalie Cole as well. I think the 80's were a lot more friendlier on 30-40 something females than today. Oh and the Pointer Sisters....weren't they 30somethings back then..... | |
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Rhondab said: namepeace said: Sure, that's not the best example. But with Madonna, Sade, Janet, and other 80's starlets roaming the scene, it was tough going for her in the early 80's and after that (other than the George Michael duet). She wasn't dominant. are you sure about that Name? What was the cd with Freeway of love on it? I recall Aretha having a successful cd back then along with Natalie Cole as well. I think the 80's were a lot more friendlier on 30-40 something females than today. Oh and the Pointer Sisters....weren't they 30somethings back then..... I agree,in the 80s,it was easier for many older female artists to have success.You didn't really see the "age discrimination" that you see nowadays... ***Diana Ross---from 1980 to about 1985,she was constantly on the charts,with one big hit after another..."Muscles","Why Do Fools Fall In Love","Missing You",etc. ***Aretha Franklin--- hit songs like "Jump To It","Freeway Of Love","I Knew You Were Waiting For Me" (with George Michael),etc kept her on the radio throughout the 80s. ***Natalie Cole---she actually had her biggest album late in her career,with 1991's 'Unforgettable' CD.But even before that,she was all over the charts with hits like "Pink Cadillac","Miss You Like Crazy",etc. ***Dionne Warwick---in the 80s,she scored several big hits like "Heartbreaker","Love Power" (with Jeffrey Osborne),"That's What Friends Are For",etc. ***Bonnie Raitt---didn't her big comeback album 'Nick Of Time' come out in the late 80s? too bad things have changed.These days,if you're over 40,good luck on having a big hit  But that's no excuse for Janet's inability to grow with her audience,instead of trying to appeal to a younger audience that's clearly not interested in her. | |
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badujunkie said: namepeace said: It's the iron law of pop music. It as true for Aretha Franklin and Diana Ross in 1986 as it is for Janet in 2006. Female pop singers over 40 typically don't chart that well. Now, Tina Turner is obviously an exception but she's exceptional. But her sales were likely to recede regardless of who was behind the boards or how much of her behind she showed.
Tina only had one monster hit over 40. And that was "Private Dancer." Her comeback and pinnacle of fame. The follow up "Break Every Rule" failed to keep the record sales up, and "Foreign Affair," depsite the memorable hits ("The Best," "Steamy Windows") failed to hit the top 20 in America and went gold. Tina really has only been a chart queen in Europe post 1986-87. I believe her last BIG hit was "Typical Male" at No. 2 in 1986, save for "I Don't Wanna Fight" in 1993 which hit the top 10. Would you believe Tina has NEVER had a number album in America, and only ONE number one single ("What's Love Got to with it?") ???? Shows America has no taste.  I seem to recall 'Break Every Rule' being a big hit in the States.Of course,it wasn't as successful as 'Private Dancer',but it was still a big seller with several hits.But for Tina,record sales only tell part of the story.She's maintained her success in other ways.The 1993 film 'What's Love Got To Do With It' (based on her life story) was very successful and her farewell tour in 2000 was the highest grossing tour of that year. | |
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VinnyM27 said: shorttrini said: Because it SUCKS!!!
Yes, because only good Cds sell.... Poor single choices (poor follow up) and lack of promotion, which you can also pin on Janet, who should still be promoting that CD on any show that will have her, not taking a vacation.... I couldn't agree more. She has gotten complacent. Beyonce, was on every award show that would have her.Why veteran stars like Janet fail to realize that you still have to promote your stuff is beyond me. That first song with Nelly, was a poor choice for a lead off single. On the otherhand, "Deja Vu", was an excellent choice. Plus, the news that Beyonce was auditioning for an all girl band was a great way to get people talking. Janet was resting on the fact that she is a "Jackson". That just does not wash anymore. These new cats are hungry and are willing to play hardball. "Love is like peeing in your pants, everyone sees it but only you feel its warmth" |
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Any truth to the rumor that she's opening the Billboard Awards? Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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One thing that's certain is that Janet is at a career crossroads.She's got some big decisions to make.After two flop albums in a row,she will need to re-evaluate her strategy.She would be wise not to make any more albums like 'Damita Jo' and '20 Y/O'.
maybe she should take time off from music and do a really good movie? | |
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SoulAlive said: One thing that's certain is that Janet is at a career crossroads.She's got some big decisions to make.After two flop albums in a row,she will need to re-evaluate her strategy.She would be wise not to make any more albums like 'Damita Jo' and '20 Y/O'.
maybe she should take time off from music and do a really good movie? nah, once her tour kicks off she'll be back...and that I look forward too. | |
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wonder505 said: SoulAlive said: One thing that's certain is that Janet is at a career crossroads.She's got some big decisions to make.After two flop albums in a row,she will need to re-evaluate her strategy.She would be wise not to make any more albums like 'Damita Jo' and '20 Y/O'.
maybe she should take time off from music and do a really good movie? nah, once her tour kicks off she'll be back...and that I look forward too. I agree with that.She is still known for captivating performances and her tour will be hugely successful. | |
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JackieBlue said: Any truth to the rumor that she's opening the Billboard Awards?
nah,she's too busy "opening up her spot" for Jermaine 
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SoulAlive said: JackieBlue said: Any truth to the rumor that she's opening the Billboard Awards?
nah,she's too busy "opening up her spot" for Jermaine
(sorry,I couldn't resist)  at the mere thought
I do hope she’s going to bring something new to her live performances. Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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Its laughable to say that this album has failed because virgin are trying to sabotage her career. She's had plenty of hype with this record, plenty of media coverage (all of which has focused on her weight loss and not her music - that alone should give you the reason for its failure). At the end of the day its the worst record shes released since Dream Street. Janet fans need to take a reality check about this because talk of a conspiracy just sounds ridiculous.
If you do really enjoy the album, great play it to your hearts content, but please dont complain that the rest of us are highly disappointed with it. Im not believing any media hype when i say that its a poor album, im believing my own judgement, and what i hear on that record is patchy at best. Im also sick of her whole sex obsession. Yeah janet we get it, you like to hump and pleasure yourself, but i dont need it up close to my ears in full stereo. Put your clothes back on and record some great pop music again. One thing i am thankful for with this record is that its reminded me how great her earlier records are. Having not listened to Janet for about 2-3 years, ive rediscovered Control, RN, The Velvet Rope, and Im having a great time. I swear ive just listened to Love Will Never Do 3 times in a row. So for that im grateful to the dreary 20YO, but please dont ask me to like it for what it is. | |
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SoulAlive said: Rhondab said: are you sure about that Name? What was the cd with Freeway of love on it? I recall Aretha having a successful cd back then along with Natalie Cole as well. I think the 80's were a lot more friendlier on 30-40 something females than today. Oh and the Pointer Sisters....weren't they 30somethings back then..... I agree,in the 80s,it was easier for many older female artists to have success.You didn't really see the "age discrimination" that you see nowadays... ***Diana Ross---from 1980 to about 1985,she was constantly on the charts,with one big hit after another..."Muscles","Why Do Fools Fall In Love","Missing You",etc. ***Aretha Franklin--- hit songs like "Jump To It","Freeway Of Love","I Knew You Were Waiting For Me" (with George Michael),etc kept her on the radio throughout the 80s. ***Natalie Cole---she actually had her biggest album late in her career,with 1991's 'Unforgettable' CD.But even before that,she was all over the charts with hits like "Pink Cadillac","Miss You Like Crazy",etc. ***Dionne Warwick---in the 80s,she scored several big hits like "Heartbreaker","Love Power" (with Jeffrey Osborne),"That's What Friends Are For",etc. ***Bonnie Raitt---didn't her big comeback album 'Nick Of Time' come out in the late 80s? too bad things have changed.These days,if you're over 40,good luck on having a big hit But that's no excuse for Janet's inability to grow with her audience,instead of trying to appeal to a younger audience that's clearly not interested in her.yeah...she could have been very experimental or something. I continue to blame Janet for all of this. She acts as if she has no control. (no pun intended) | |
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Although it’ll probably never happen, this would be the perfect time for her to experiment. She can only go up from where she is now. Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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Have u ever seen an old balony sandwich? That's Janet's new cd.  | |
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JackieBlue said: Although it’ll probably never happen, this would be the perfect time for her to experiment. She can only go up from where she is now.
She needs to get out of her R&B comfort zone.Like her brother Michael,she is stuck in a creative rut....afraid to take chances and experiment a little.So she keeps making the same record over and over.At 40 years old,she should have alot more to say than "Get It Out Me" She should have more to offer than her sexuality. | |
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SoulAlive said: JackieBlue said: Although it’ll probably never happen, this would be the perfect time for her to experiment. She can only go up from where she is now.
She needs to get out of her R&B comfort zone.Like her brother Michael,she is stuck in a creative rut....afraid to take chances and experiment a little.So she keeps making the same record over and over.At 40 years old,she should have alot more to say than "Get It Out Me" She should have more to offer than her sexuality.its not about the genre of music but its about being inventive. | |
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Hey, if Janet's album sold more copies than Jessica Simpson's and Paris Hilton's (as overly-hyped as those two bitches are), then I say she did pretty damn good. I don't even remember seeing "Call On Me" on MTV and it came out before "So Excited". I could only catch that video on VH1 early mornings. The album isn't that bad. I think it's a fun album. I do agree that she needs to get out of the sexpot image. Sure, the album is no "Rhytmn Nation" or "Velvet Rope", but it's not terrible. Of course, I didn't think Mariah Carey's album for "Glitter" was all that bad either (even though watching that movie made me sad that I had wasted almost two hours of my life - two hours that I can never get back), but "Emancipation of Mimi" was huge. Personally, I believe that many people quit her after that "Wardrobe Malfunction". I almost didn't buy "Damita Jo", not because of the nipple slip, but because she apologized. Janet, why are you apologizing for offending people? If they weren't offended by all the groping, crotch-grabbing, half-naked dancers (and cheerleaders), and all the foul language from the other artists at that show before it happened, than why were they soo offended after. I wouldn't have apologized for shit...fuck those people! I still think Janet is great and I really hope she does a tour this coming year. Prince Rogers Nelson
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