How in the Hell isn't
Hall & Oates
Heart

NOT in the Rock Hall?????

if Van Halen is elected, does Sammy go to?

Van Hagar is not HOF material, IMO, but Van Halen should have been in years ago.

Its that time of year again shifty.gif. its time that the old folks in New York choose whos getting put into the rock hall.

the 2007 nominees are

1. R.E.M. One of the biggest bands in college radio. They formed in 1980 & put out their first single "radio free europe" in 1981. after beeing singed to a major label in the late 80's REM went on to become the best alternative rock band in the world

2. Van Halen. They started out in the late 70's. "You really got me" was the best song to do air gutaring to, soon after everyone was ripping it off. Van Halen has had like 3 lead singer in their long career. They are one of a handful of rock bands to have earned two diamond cert albums (the beatles, Led zepplin, Pink Floyd & Def Leppard). Dont forget to remove all the brown M&Ms from the bowl at a backstage concert. thats whyi asked rove about it hysterical.gif

3. Grand master Flash & the furious 5. Without rap music tupac & biggie would have still been alive, there would be no: run dmc, public enemy or NWA.

4. The stooges. the stooges were the back bone of Punk Rock. they came from Detriot & wrote the book about punk. Iggy pop was the biggest freak in the music indursty extra crazy that Ozzy osborne. Threy only lasted for a short time before break up in the 70's

5. Patti Smith. Patti was very much the first lady of rock & roll. She has had comparison to Janis joplin. Patti was a big influence on REM & U2. U2 would ot have got out of Larry kitche if it wasnt for patti smith, television, roxy music, the sex pistols

6. Chic. they were a group of the disco era. after disco had died they went on to produce pop artist

7. The Dave Clark Five. they were like the beatles rivals in the 60's. they had 20 top forty hit within a couple of years. they were part of the british invasion of america in the 60's

8. Joe tex. Like cat stevens he was a singer before converting to Islam. died in 1982 aged 49

9. The Ronettes. an rnb girl group trio. They were only together for a few years before breaking up. Id say they were like the supreames rivals

Many worth artist have been left out of the ballot for artist that have been snubbed year after year. 12 months ago i started a duran duran 4 rock hall petition 7 i sent in in July 2006. But they didnt get selected I also wrote a letter to the hall suporting the induction of Pat Bernatar & i guess they didnt give a snot.

what really blows my brains out is the voters have no respect for heavy Metal or progressive rock. every since the hall started in 1986 they have only put in 5 metal atcs (led zepplin, aerosmith, Queen, AC/DC & just recently black sabbath) & the only progressive rock band in the hall is Pink floyd as well as queen (they are progressive rock as well as metal)

The voters are people in the media such as: reports, journalists, producers, enginers etc. I reckon none of them no anything about THE NEW WAVE OF BRITISH HEAVY METAL. Judas priest, motorhead, def leppard, Diamondhead, iron Maiden have influenced todays metal acts & have done far better stuff than one hit wonder percy sledge or no singer miles davis or the Ronettes


Seriously if they ever put Samantha fox or Britney spears or Yoko Ono in the rock hall, im gunna blow my roof off angry3.gif

the future of the hall. my picks for future inductions

2008: Madonna, metallica, janet jackson,

2009: run dmc, Bon Jovi, Metallica, Slayer, anthrax

2010: red hot chilli peppers Megadeth

2011: LL COOL J, Soundgarden

2012: guns & roses, beastie boys

2013: kylie Mingoue, Public enemy, NWA

2014: Nirvana, Paula abdul, Enya

2015: Nine Inch Nails

They need to put more rock acts in. Btw, when are the B-52s eligible?

They need to put more rock acts in. Btw, when are the B-52s eligible?

Styx
Rick Springfield

lastdecember said:

You're gonna have to make your argument on those acts. Not saying you can't, just that you're going to have to.

well my predictions are

locks:
REM
Van Halen

id say yes:
grand master flash
patti smith
the stooges

Fuck no:
joe tex
The Ronettes
Chic
dave clark five

like Van Halen will do a performance with David Lee Roth again puleeez

marto said:

what do ya mean "fuck no" 4 Chic or Joe Tex?! i take in2 consideration that maybe u don't know about them so i'll break it down..... whenever u see a singer do the splits, hit a holy ghost type yelp/scream, or do anything with a mic stand, u can thank Joe Tex 4 that....'cause he along with Sam and Dave, Jackie Wilson, James Brown, and Otis Redding he pioneered the art of SHOWMANSHIP....whenever you hear queen's "another one bites the dust"(chic's "good times")... sugar hill gang's "rappers delight"....("good times") david bowie's "let's dance"....(produced by nile rodgers) any bass line of a duran duran song(bernard edwards is the REASON why jon taylor took up bass guitar)...you can thank Nile Rodgers, Bernard Edwards, and Tony Thompson because it was their 25 years of funky inventiveness that influenced it.....

lastdecember said:

You're gonna have to make your argument on those acts. Not saying you can't, just that you're going to have to.

What are the qualifications of being in the Rock n Roll Hall of Fame?

cause this stuff is all over the board.

Or is my definition of Rock/Roll too old school?

marto said:

what do ya mean "fuck no" 4 Chic or Joe Tex?! i take in2 consideration that maybe u don't know about them so i'll break it down..... whenever u see a singer do the splits, hit a holy ghost type yelp/scream, or do anything with a mic stand, u can thank Joe Tex 4 that....'cause he along with Sam and Dave, Jackie Wilson, James Brown, and Otis Redding he pioneered the art of SHOWMANSHIP....whenever you hear queen's "another one bites the dust"(chic's "good times")... sugar hill gang's "rappers delight"....("good times") david bowie's "let's dance"....(produced by nile rodgers) any bass line of a duran duran song(bernard edwards is the REASON why jon taylor took up bass guitar)...you can thank Nile Rodgers, Bernard Edwards, and Tony Thompson because it was their 25 years of funky inventiveness that influenced it.....

Ok well since the hall really doesnt seem to have a criteria judging from the fact Percy Sledge and Del Shannon got in first shot and John Mellencamp didnt, shows the voters have some sort of issues. I need to hear the argument for putting those two in. And really how did The New York Dolls get in and Kiss and Alice Cooper not?

Ok first up STYX, why do they get in? Well they get in for their "Concept Albums", the paradise theater album alone justifies them to be in there, honestly if Queen gets in so does Styx, and thats a Brian May Quote! In terms of hits, Styx had 4 straight triple Platnum records, which until that time they were the first, not even the Beatles had done that. Styx may get dismissed as being some "corporate rock" band, but its so easy to say that, listen to their first 4 albums between 1972-1975 and i think you see a band that could beat the "progressive" rock bands like YES and PINK FLOYD.

Ok Second Rick Springfield, he gets in for a few reasons. One his output from 1981-1985, 4 platnum plus albums, and 16 straight top 40 singles, in that time span no one but Michael Jackson,Prince,Madonna and Bruce have done that. Another reason he gets in is the fact everyone ignores the fact that he started as a singer songwriter back in 1972, and had a top 10 hit "SPeak to the Sky" which no one ever realizes is the same guy, but he was a singer songwriter before it was a cool thing.

The fact that the Hall really doesnt have a criteria, except for the fact that its made up of Music critics and if you think about it alot of the artists that arent in like.....

Kiss
Alice Cooper
Styx
Hall and Oates
Chicago
the Moody Blues
Rick Springfield
John Mellencamp
HEART

All of these artists were hated critically most of their careers.
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lastdecember said:

I never said Percy Sledge or Del Shannon should have gotten in. However, you're the one who proffered Styx and Rick Springfield.




Competent argument again, but other than Jesse's Girl, ask 10 people to name three Rick Springfield songs.

If sales are the only criteria, Vanilla Ice, Ace of Base, and Paula Abdul can make good arguments. As can Teddy Riley and Usher.




True indeed. I'd take Moody Blues and Hall and Oates before even KISS, or the others.

Well sales arent an issue or else all the artist on that list would be in, its basically a critics choice. I do think however if people listened to music in the 80's and cant name 3 Rick Springfield songs, wow , they werent listening well (jessies girl,dont talk to strangers,love somebody,human touch) all top 10 singles and one number one, so i hope people would at least know those.

But if knowing 3 songs from an artist is a part of getting in, there again i would kick out, Percy,Del, the dixie cups, new york dolls, ramones(sorry so overrated) and many others.

I do doubt Ace of base, Vanilla Ice and Paula abdul would ever be considered for an honor like this, maybe a "how the fuck did we sell" award.

lastdecember said:

I guess I wasn't paying much attention. Other than "Jessie's Girl" and "Human Touch," a nice pop song in its own right, can't recall RS making an impact. The fact a song charted means little. "Mountains" and "Batdance" topped the charts but few associate those songs with Prince. I think if this question is asked in 2016, then Rick may get in for "Jessie's Girl" alone, because the song will hold up over time. It's a good pop ditty whereas some might still consider it a novelty today. Just like Percy did with "When A Man Loves A Woman."





But at the time of his induction, Percy sang an iconic song that held up four decades after it was released. Del continued to chart off and on, and was a successful producer in his own right, but "The Wanderer" is also an iconic song, and again, he was inducted 4 decades after that song was released. "Jessie's Girl" could hold up like that, too. But consider the context.

I know little about the Dixie Cups, New York Dolls, and Ramones, but I do know they've been cited as seminal influences to many great bands after them and are greatly respected by their contemporaries. I can't say the same applies to Rick Springfield or for that matter Styx (who's occasionally parodied today).




I think RS and Styx suffer from an alternate version of that syndrome. I think a lot of folk might be ashamed to say that they really dug either of those acts. It's unfair, it's totally subjective, and it may be wrong. But as you know, rock critics are a funny lot.

But I'll give you credit. You made some good arguments.
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It'll be interesting to see in a year or two when Duran Duran,Bon Jovi,Madonna are eligible if they actually get in, once again all 3 are not a fave of critics.

lastdecember said:

Madonna should make the 1st or 2nd ballot. She's iconic, for better or worse, and she should get in. It'll take a while for DD and Bon Jovi.

diamondpearl1 said:

Don't forget Nile also produced the Like a Virgin album

lazycrockett said:

For the purposes of the Hall of Fame, Rock & Roll = Pop Music.