source: http://janetjackson.emifo...pic=374703

kay, I spoke to Gil while Janet was right next to him, and there's a lot of sh*t going on. OMG, I'm like shaking typing this. Janet and Gil want me to spread the word. She needs our help.

First and foremost, let me say that there will be a tour no matter what. Virgin got a "talking to", and no matter what --- she is going to tour. There's a contract supporting this. They cannot pull out on the project by law.

Janet wants everyone to call Virgin when you get a chance or EMail, but calling is the most efficient. Leaves messages! The people we need to be contacting are David Munz and Jason Flam.

The reason for the album not doing well is Virgin is not at all supporting her on the Pop side of things. Jermaine has been doing his job by promoting Urban, but Virgin is not - I repeat - not supporting her on Pop.

The reason? Janet isn't resigning with them. Their attitude now is, "She's leaving us. Why support her?"

The most crazy/shocking thing is--

Janet has been paying for everything. Flights, Dancers, Band, Hotels....EVERYTHING! Virgin hasn't paid for a thing. All of this has been coming out of her own pocket. She's happy that she came in at #2, and it means a lot to her, because it was all of her work/money as well as JDs work on Urban.

MTV and Virgin are the reason for a lot of what is going on at the moment, but Janet said, "Remember, this is the beginning of the project too!" --- so let's just keep faith.

This is saddening and shocking to say the least. I don't know what to feel right now.

SPREAD THE WORD!!!! If anyone can get those numbers/EMails - please get on it!

Mods - make this a sticky. We have to do something!

My comment: I don't know if this is the truth...

MikeMatronik said:

I'm sorry....but the aritsts always finds ways to blame the label for an album that has underperformed. What about taking responsiblity and admit...she gave JD too much control of the album and the results were SHITTY (I've been a member of her fan clubs for years and know a bad JAnet album when I hear it)...MTV supposedly is adding 'So Excited' next week but she really fucked their relationship up with Nipplegate (which I think the whole media backlash was ridiculous..it's a tit y'all)...but she planned that stint and she knows it...she was leading up to either posing nude or doing something 'shocking' and this came at about the right time..only to have blow up in her face. She has made the same album twice and the publics response is 'Eeh! (shrug of shoulders).

The best tracks on the CD are the ones without JD's input..'Enjoy' being one of them....choice for singles is crucial more than ever and they fucked up twice...they even left HOTTER dance tracks off the album for possible inclusion in a Special Edition later...(which dont think will happen anymore)....

When I saw the CD drop 2nd week out..I knew Ms.Jackson (like the rest of her stubborn family) was not going to own up to it and she or her crew would blame others. Most on this board agree the album is less than stellar...and people expect better from her. It saddens me to see the direction her career is going (this was the frist Janet album I was not so excited about...no pun inteneded)...give up the sex shit...take a note from 'Enjoy' and make classic pop songs that stay in your brain from first listen....her melodic songs are among her most infectous and irrisistable. 20 YO lacks melody...the JD songs just seem out of character for her....it may have worked for USher and Mariah but not for Janet.

Virgin/other labels may have done many things wrong in the past with certain marquee artists but up to the street date I saw Janet visbility everywhere I turned not to mention OPRAH...and Today Show on street...and Best Buy (unfortunatley argubly our biggest music retailer) ran ads the weeks coming up to the street date. I think they did their part (Virgin).

JD and Janet have only themselves to blame.

peace

Well... I dunno.

There might be something weird going-on.

I didn't check the source, but is this from a conversation with Gil--HER CHOREOGRAPHER????? What is he doing talking about her business??? He should be worried about his own "job"--or maybe he is.. Maybe that's the whole point.

As far as Janet... it could be true. Someone here already mentioned that Virgin wasn't going invest too much in this project, so this wouldn't surprise me at all.

Ah man, what a mess.
[Edited 10/14/06 7:33am]

Personally I don't believe in this...

I hate to bring up the evil M word, but pop radio also abandoned Madonna on her last project. They made it clear they're not interested in pushing someone's music when they're over the hill

As far as MTV is concerned, i've heard they're supporting her now.

As much as I love "Damita Jo" she's doin all of this to herself.
the woman didn't/don't have to prove shit to anybody. she should've really
taken some chances musically, & went for it ( with her clothes ON )

oh god!

you never learn. Whats the response going to be from people on here?


Is there any point in posting this???

well, what is it exactly that the label can do to help the CD? I'm only asking because I listened to the entire CD, and simply I just didn't care for it so I didn't buy it, however, I wanted to learn more about what exactly label is not doing that would help folks like it or buy the CD.

very very devilish.

VANITYSprisonBYTCH said:

I would hardly praise Virgin, or most labels, when an album flops. I can tell that they aren't very interested in the album becoming because even if does, it won't be huge numbers and frankly, they are not interested in rehiring her. Sadly, I do think they would rather she crash and burn (whether this album does that...we'll wait and see).

And how does MTV get away with still being mad at Janet and eating out of Justin's ass? Hypocrtical much?

While I do think "20 YO" is an OK album, I don't think it's so much of a return to form that it should sell more than DJ. DJ had stronger songs, but as an album, wasn't as good. What are you going do? If you're Janet, you plan for the next album, with a new label, to set te world on fire, which I predict it will do.

atlantic records did the very same thing to tori amos once they knew she wanted to move on. their exact words were, "tori amos, we own you." then they proceeded to attempt to ruin her market value. all because she wanted to leave labels.

that said, tori never released subpar music that her fans weren't terribly interested in all in hopes of appealing to a different audience.

janet has made a record that most of her fans are not interested in and most casula listeners who would have bought a signature janet record are not interested in this either. unfortunately, the demographic it was made for is not interested in her. i don't see how that is any of virgin's doing. the lack of marketing, however, is another story and if she made it known she would not be resigning, then no, they have no interest in supporting it.

as for the paying for costs...well, that's pretty standard. i can't think of anyone who doesn't have to pay for all that stuff.

If this album doesn't do well it's because it's NOT that good. Period. I LOVE Janet and I so wanted to love this album but I was bored to tears.

lilgish said:

The point is folks, that Janet is 40, and that does not go down well with Radio or Mtv. Lets face it, this industry does not reward longevity, if you want that, only the latin market does that also thats what the UK is for , this is why other american artists do better over there. I think there is this "enigma" that the USA is the only market, no way, there are artists that sell worldwide and dont even get released here, can Lil flip or Lloyd Banks say that? I watched Janet on 106th and Park and it was a joke, heres this 40 year old trying to get 12-16 year olds to buy her record. They dont wanna hear janet, they dont wanna Prince or Lionel, they wanna hear Ciara and Ne-yo, and thats what the industry banks on, and why it loses all the time. Music does not mean what it did way back, I mean you remember where you were when u first heard "When Doves Cry" but do you think in 20 years todays audience is gonna be like "wow i remember when i first heard SexyBack". So im not saying its right the way america thinks, but it is what it is, Age tells the story, i told someone the other day that Amerie turned 29 and they said "wow shes old school" WTF? 29 is old for an artist. Does it suck that Janet cant get MTV or airplay, yeah it does, since she was one of the pioneers of "good" dance videos, but Duran Duran who made Video an art form dont get MTV play, they are left to vh1 at 4am, because thats when we put on the oldtime people. And also whether the album is good or bad has nothing to do with it, the fact is she is aiming at an audience that just aint into her, stop trying to get 12 year olds to buy your records, sell to your loyals do tours, and dont worry about radio and mtv, their day is long over.
[Edited 10/12/06 23:35pm]
[Edited 10/12/06 23:37pm]

i seen an ad for 20yrs on mtv last week. so i guess they arent sabotaging her that bad lol

Christopher said:

lol!

let's put this topic to rest:

CinisterCee said:

i hope he knows by now he can buy some ionic breezes for his home. hand he doesnt need that big ass thing.

After 20 yrs of playing everything janet and giving her ever award known to MTV,

stop blaming MTV for not supporting a singer that isnt in their marketing demos.

I think MTV has been very kind to janet and her "music".

oh for fucks sake

Another horrible thread I started...

..Everything that last december said is on point. Janet is not marketable to the 12 to 16 year olds of today. Janet (like Prince) has gone back to being underground. She really is only appealing to her diehard fanbase. It's not a bad thing, but it's not like the days when she put out "Control", "Rhythym Nation" or "janet".

Wow! Janet's been paying for all those things out of her own pocket?

Er, that's what artists do anyway. The record company deducts these costs from what the artist gets paid by them. WAKE UP.

Let's face it, she's crap and is so desperate to stay relevant that she'd probably glue a cock to her forehead if she thought that would make her stand out. Actually, I guess that would make anyone stand out.

Mong said:

I put she put a big cock on her head!

VANITYSprisonBYTCH said:

Very good post.I'm sure fans will blame Virgin and MTV for the albums' failure,but Janet must take some of the blame too.She should have never allowed Jermaine to have so much control.He tried to position her as an "urban" artist,which is a huge mistake considering how much pop success she has had in the past.Her CD is filled with songs that could have easily been recorded by Ashanti or Ciara....predictable midtempo R&B grooves with breathy come-ons and "sexy" lyrics.Those types of songs are a dime a dozen.At 40 years old,Janet is capable of better."Call On Me" is the most tedious single she's ever released.

The only thing to do now is tour.She needs to get out there on the road and remind people why they became fans in the first place.Then,sign with a new label and quickly start work on a new album.But this time,don't go in a bland R&B direction.It's time to dump Jam,Lewis and Dupri! Work on some FAST dance tracks and some edgy,experimental stuff with other producers (on another thread,I suggested Gorillaz).Leave the sex stuff alone...there are other things to sing about.Evolve,grow,experiment!

VANITYSprisonBYTCH said:

The Jackson family are stubborn?

did you guys check out the message board on her official site? Hilarious! One guy had a thread called "I told you this would happen" where he's arguing that Janet should have came out with a song like Nelly Furtado's "Promiscuous"


message boards are funny watching fans argue about things like this (oops,I think I just described Prince.org...lol)

SoulAlive said:

No...we have marvellous thread where he show our undying love for madonna!

i really don't understand why virgin isn't putting more muscle behind janet's third album in a row of smooth soul/hip-hop-lite bubblegum pop. i mean, at least she's always changing the shape of her boobs, isn't that enough?

MikeMatronik said:

Janet needs my help? Hell, I need Janet's help. While she's paying for her dancers and what not maybe she can cut me a check so I can pay my bills. Sorry things aren't going as they hoped but uh, I've got my own concerns. Asking fans to buy multiple copies wasn't enough, now you want us to make phone calls and write emails? As soon as you contact my boss about a salary increase.

I think I wore out all my Jackson campaigning on Michael. Whoops.

Anx said:

OwwwwCCCCHHHHH!!!!