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Reply #60 posted 10/28/06 9:08pm

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Scorpion said:

Janet's former choreographer, Tina Landon, worked with Ciara for this video.


Paybacks a bytch!!! lol
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Reply #61 posted 10/28/06 9:19pm

TonyVanDam

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KingKrazy said:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32u7TCSNaXQ

Jesus Christ, shorty is bad, and it aint even funny

i would destroy her pussy in every way but i digress

the song is crazy, and different from her last three big hits she had, a smooth midtempo ballad


For once Krazy, you & I agree on something! Ciara is a sexy MF. And it's a damn shame that this decade (2000's) can't produce classics more often like this track. 2 Thumbs Ups way up!thumbs up!

BTW, forget Janet. Ciara looks very Prince-ly in this video, IMO (and not in a fake way like Justin neither).
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Reply #62 posted 10/28/06 9:23pm

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thesexofit said:

Wow, those keyboards in the back are straight outta a Julio Iglesias record. In other words, MOR eek

She sounds awful multitracked on the chorus, WTF happened?


Didn't Janet used to do the same thing? Of course! Jam/Lewis used this FX a lot in the late 80's/early 90's.
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Reply #63 posted 10/28/06 9:25pm

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BlaqueKnight said:

The video has its moments. It looks underproduced. Its just such a hot ass song that it doesn't matter as much. I like the microphone scene. Ciara is snatching Janet's crown from her.


The mic scene is very Prince-ly. Prince's Damn U comes to mind.
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Reply #64 posted 10/28/06 9:35pm

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Isel said:

I also have to give a shout-out to Barry Lather--also a former Janet choreographer (Pleasure Principle)--who is artistic director for Ciara's entire promo tour. Barry is always overlooked, but that guy has choreographed most recently for Mariah, Usher, and now Ciara. He "oversees" the entire concept. Barry is a legend in the commercial dance market. He has been around for many years and has worked on a variety of projects with many artists as well as TV and movies. I wish he would find the time to be Janet's artistic director, then let Gil just work as head choreographer.

Now this is a question I have for you all about Ciara. I saw her perform on "So You Think You Can Dance," as was underwhelmed with her dancing and vocal ability..(she lip-synched.) What I don't understand about some of you guys is that you all criticize Janet but support Ciara when Ciara is no more talented of a vocalist at least than Janet. Dancewise... I don't know. To me Janet even at the same age was more sophisticated than Ciara--, but I haven't seen this new video yet. Ciara as a dancer lacks some "polish" as was quite evident on "So You Think You Can Dance" when she and her back-up dancers could easily be compared and contrasted to the more technical dancers on that show.

Just watched the video. Ciara doesn't dance too much. confused She does some isolations and body rolls. I don't think this is really a major choreographic piece but more of a performance. It's a visually wonderfully video and the song is good. The choreography is understated but effective. Maybe that's what Janet needs to do?? Maybe Janet should go back to less intricate choreography with less focus on club dance.
It was a good video. I still don't think Ciara is as gifted as a dancer compared to Janet--but Ciara is good at what she does.

I just think it's strange that people think Ciara is so great when I don't see Ciara as a "vocal" talent at all even though she might be considered by some as a great dancer--and that's debatable, too.

Why do you all like Ciara but not Janet anymore?
[Edited 10/26/06 16:54pm]


I see you point. But speaking for myself: Are YOU jiving me?!!!?

Just like Michael Jordan made Kobe Bryant, Lebon James, & Dwayne Wade....

Janet Jackson made Aaliyah, Britney Spears and Ciara.


Hell freaking yeah, I SAID IT!!! biggrin
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Reply #65 posted 10/28/06 9:55pm

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Rhondab said:

Isel said:

I also have to give a shout-out to Barry Lather--also a former Janet choreographer (Pleasure Principle)--who is artistic director for Ciara's entire promo tour. Barry is always overlooked, but that guy has choreographed most recently for Mariah, Usher, and now Ciara. He "oversees" the entire concept. Barry is a legend in the commercial dance market. He has been around for many years and has worked on a variety of projects with many artists as well as TV and movies. I wish he would find the time to be Janet's artistic director, then let Gil just work as head choreographer.

Now this is a question I have for you all about Ciara. I saw her perform on "So You Think You Can Dance," as was underwhelmed with her dancing and vocal ability..(she lip-synched.) What I don't understand about some of you guys is that you all criticize Janet but support Ciara when Ciara is no more talented of a vocalist at least than Janet. Dancewise... I don't know. To me Janet even at the same age was more sophisticated than Ciara--, but I haven't seen this new video yet. Ciara as a dancer lacks some "polish" as was quite evident on "So You Think You Can Dance" when she and her back-up dancers could easily be compared and contrasted to the more technical dancers on that show.

Just watched the video. Ciara doesn't dance too much. confused She does some isolations and body rolls. I don't think this is really a major choreographic piece but more of a performance. It's a visually wonderfully video and the song is good. The choreography is understated but effective. Maybe that's what Janet needs to do?? Maybe Janet should go back to less intricate choreography with less focus on club dance.
It was a good video. I still don't think Ciara is as gifted as a dancer compared to Janet--but Ciara is good at what she does.

I just think it's strange that people think Ciara is so great when I don't see Ciara as a "vocal" talent at all even though she might be considered by some as a great dancer--and that's debatable, too.

Why do you all like Ciara but not Janet anymore?
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Janet wasn't very polished as a performer until well into the Control cd which would be the third try out. Janet did lip sync on the grammys, etc, etc.

I'm not harsh on the limited talented folks that are out. I think we had our share and they were allowed to grow BUT janet is still doing the same thing. I've stopped being interested after Velvet Rope.

I think Ciara is just fun to watch. Its not that she's some great talent but she is aleast tryyyyying to do something.


Take it from this long time Janet fan: TVR was the perfect time to stop buying Janet album. It's better to remember Janet at her peak than passing her prime.
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Reply #66 posted 10/28/06 9:59pm

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Scorpion said:

JackieBlue said:

Everything about Janet seems choreographed. When she doesn't have direction she just walks around the stage, stops, points with an angry face and continues walking around the stage.



Yep, this is sooooo true.


We definitely know she's not a natural, you can see her attempt at "freestyle dance" on that VR concert. eek Even Janet has admitted herself that she doesn't think she can dance otherwise, that's why she wouldn't dance at clubs & would watch everyone else instead. I just don't think Janet is very talented at all. Her best choreography has always been created by other people, her best songs were created by Jimmy Jam & Terry Lewis, her most creative ideas were brainchilds of her ex-husband, her best video was an idea taken from Michael, etc. She's paved the way for all the no-talent whisper thin dancing clones we have in the market today. I think its miraculous she's been able to ride the waves for as long as she has with hardly any talent. Even 15yr. old JoJo is arguably more talented than her, there's no doubt she's vocally better & to me...that's pretty fucking laughable.


JoJo is going to be the last of the real divas (along with Christina, Pink, & Ciara). Count on it!
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Reply #67 posted 10/28/06 10:05pm

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KingKrazy said:

BlaqueKnight said:




If I had a personal attorney that looked like that, I'd be in trouble all the time. biggrin

Ciara has said many times before in her interviews that she was a street dancer. Her story is simple enough: they saw her and said "she's hot and can move; she's got potential" and they proceeded to make a star out of her.


Who cares ciara can sing better than janet in any stage of Janet's career, point blank Ciara can sing even live she can sing, she doesn't have range thats all


Ciara can prove your point IF she can release an album that can come close to matching (hell, even surpass) the impact of Janet Jackson's RN1814.
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Reply #68 posted 10/29/06 12:26am

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I love this song I love Ciara. Song sounds very very very Princey...the way she sings it...the way the melody and drums are...th ewhole feel of th esong is very very Princey. Hell, in the song Ciara said "You can be my prince..."

wink
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Reply #69 posted 10/29/06 3:00am

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KingKrazy said:

myloveis4ever said:

Say what u want about Ciara , she´s okej, but still a copycat..

the clothes,. hair.. iT´S all AALIYAH.....

yes. Ciara can dance.. and sing
BUT STILL she´s not that original Like my girl AALIYAH

GETTING my drift?? cool



What was so original about aaliyah, and when did aaliyah become this hot legendary act, i can understand Janet status, but when aaliyah was alive she wasn't even in the top three black young rnb queens coming up, Brandy surpassed her by tenfold, and Beyonce was already in her Queen of Destiny Child stage, and Monica was still a hot commidity, and plane crash happens and aaliyah becomes this legend, i am sorry but aaliyah wasn't that hot neither.



are u serious, i can undertstand janet´s status and aaliyah´s

U can´t compare Brandy or Monica WITH AALIYAH.... AND AALIYAH IS HOT..
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Reply #70 posted 10/29/06 3:23am

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Hell, in the song Ciara said "You can be my prince..."

wink


Love that.
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Reply #71 posted 10/29/06 3:33am

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KingKrazy said:




What was so original about aaliyah, and when did aaliyah become this hot legendary act, i can understand Janet status, but when aaliyah was alive she wasn't even in the top three black young rnb queens coming up, Brandy surpassed her by tenfold, and Beyonce was already in her Queen of Destiny Child stage, and Monica was still a hot commidity, and plane crash happens and aaliyah becomes this legend, i am sorry but aaliyah wasn't that hot neither.



are u serious, i can undertstand janet´s status and aaliyah´s

U can´t compare Brandy or Monica WITH AALIYAH.... AND AALIYAH IS HOT..
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Monica is vocally a better talent than everyone mentioned on this thread maybe with the exception of Beyonce but that's up for debate on both sides.

I have argued the point that if Aaliyah was still alive, I think she would be the "starlet" that Hollywood would be looking towards over Beyonce.

Aaliyah made her mark...definitely. nod
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Reply #72 posted 10/29/06 9:32am

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What I like about Aaliyah, Brandy and Monica is that when they all came out, market wise they were competition but they still showed each other love and respect and didnt try to take their shine away. Nowadays the chics that come out arent like that, these girls cant even do a collabo together because everyone is trying to be the only one at the top! I think that Janet was all of these young ladies influences and there's nothing wrong with it! They all show their tribute in their own way. Honestly, I think Ciara out of all of them, besides Mya, is the one to show the strongest influence.

"you can be my Prince..." music Way 2 go for hinting Cee Cee!! wink
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Reply #73 posted 10/31/06 4:23pm

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CherrieMoonKisses said:

I love this song I love Ciara. Song sounds very very very Princey...the way she sings it...the way the melody and drums are...th ewhole feel of th esong is very very Princey. Hell, in the song Ciara said "You can be my prince..."

wink



You can't possibly believe that she meant Prince the singer, do you? The line is "You can be my Prince, my knight, you can be my Superman - save me here I am" You're really reaching on this one. By your logic, its safe to also believe that she was secretly referring to me when she said "my knight" biggrin Wait a minute...hmmm
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Reply #74 posted 10/31/06 8:10pm

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YAWN: So people are back to wearing cat suits to sell albums, and dancing like a 2$ stripper, sure the mic thing was cool, but they overplayed it by using it so much.


Some one answer me this

Now, what does the video have to do with the song?
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Reply #75 posted 10/31/06 9:09pm

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Probably her best song. She comes out with catchy songs but the chick is studio voice. I like the part at 1:54 and 4:06.
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Reply #76 posted 10/31/06 9:58pm

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You can't possibly believe that she meant Prince the singer, do you? The line is "You can be my Prince, my knight, you can be my Superman - save me here I am" You're really reaching on this one. By your logic, its safe to also believe that she was secretly referring to me when she said "my knight" biggrin Wait a minute...hmmm [/quote]

no she was definitely talking about jordan knight...lol
yea, i know...
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Reply #77 posted 10/31/06 11:21pm

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BlaqueKnight said:

CherrieMoonKisses said:

I love this song I love Ciara. Song sounds very very very Princey...the way she sings it...the way the melody and drums are...th ewhole feel of th esong is very very Princey. Hell, in the song Ciara said "You can be my prince..."

wink



You can't possibly believe that she meant Prince the singer, do you? The line is "You can be my Prince, my knight, you can be my Superman - save me here I am" You're really reaching on this one. By your logic, its safe to also believe that she was secretly referring to me when she said "my knight" biggrin Wait a minute...hmmm




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Reply #78 posted 11/01/06 12:54am

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Don't really like or dislike the video, but the song is hot!
RIP Prince: thank U 4 a funky Time...
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Reply #79 posted 11/02/06 2:18pm

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I'm feelin' this song. It has a Prince vibe. She's looks sexy as hell, she's doin' it in this video.
Some people think I'm kinda cute
But that don't compute when it comes 2 Y-O-U.
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