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Chuck D VS. Flavor Flav (WHAT IF Public Enemy Were To Fall Apart, Who Would Win?) I'm not just talking about rhyme skills or songwriting. I'm talking about fame in general. I'm talking about which one of these main PE members would still have a career in the entertainment industry after the fact?
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Flav! More marketable and more talented. He was probably 60% of the reason I liked PE in the first place. | |
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 well i hate to think of Public Enemy without one or the other, but if I absolutely had to choose, i'd have to go with Chuck.
I love the energy and excitement Flav has to offer, but nothing beats Chuck's words. Besides for those who love Flav so much...he announced on a radio show last week that his solo album will be released on Halloween..... [Edited 10/25/06 6:08am] I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince. | |
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Amazon have put up samples of the new PE album Beats and Places. Just by the samples I can tell that it's 100 times better then the last album (which was garbage IMO). The beats for the most part are real nice. Unfortunately Chuck's flow is still broken. Does he even listen to the beat when he's flowin' anymore? If he had of of laid it down like he did around '91 this would have been some classic PE shit. It still should be there best work since He Got Game though judging by the samples. | |
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i don't think chuck d. is interested in the kind of fame flava flav has. i see chuck as more of a street scholar, holed up in his home with stacks of books and magazine articles, coming up with his next manifesto to post online or whatever. flava is a human looney tunes character, and good for him for creating a niche for himself, but i can't see chuck d. going on a reality show and putting on a superficial song and dance for anyone. | |
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WildStyle said: Flav! More marketable and more talented. He was probably 60% of the reason I liked PE in the first place.
More talented? Get the phuck outta here. Flav is more marketable because he chose the Stepin' Fetchit route. Chuck D. and Prof. Griff need to kick his ass. Flavor was comic relief for the more serious tones in PE's music, It was a nice balance to have Chuck to be the serious MC and for Flav to be a funny hype-man. But I gotta say FUCK that shufflin' that Flav is doin right now. |
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PAPAROBBIE said: WildStyle said: Flav! More marketable and more talented. He was probably 60% of the reason I liked PE in the first place.
More talented? Get the phuck outta here. Flav is more marketable because he chose the Stepin' Fetchit route. Chuck D. and Prof. Griff need to kick his ass. Flavor was comic relief for the more serious tones in PE's music, It was a nice balance to have Chuck to be the serious MC and for Flav to be a funny hype-man. But I gotta say FUCK that shufflin' that Flav is doin right now. amen! flava flav is a joke! | |
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WildStyle said: Flav! More marketable and more talented. He was probably 60% of the reason I liked PE in the first place.
you know flav's album drops next week! | |
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Anx said: i don't think chuck d. is interested in the kind of fame flava flav has. i see chuck as more of a street scholar, holed up in his home with stacks of books and magazine articles, coming up with his next manifesto to post online or whatever. flava is a human looney tunes character, and good for him for creating a niche for himself, but i can't see chuck d. going on a reality show and putting on a superficial song and dance for anyone.
BTW, I learn a lot of reading Chuck's letters posted in the Terrerdome on the PE website.  | |
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PAPAROBBIE said: WildStyle said: Flav! More marketable and more talented. He was probably 60% of the reason I liked PE in the first place.
More talented? Get the phuck outta here. Flav is more marketable because he chose the Stepin' Fetchit route. Chuck D. and Prof. Griff need to kick his ass. Flavor was comic relief for the more serious tones in PE's music, It was a nice balance to have Chuck to be the serious MC and for Flav to be a funny hype-man. But I gotta say FUCK that shufflin' that Flav is doin right now.  ....so funny in its context!
Speaking of Professer Griff, here are his EXACT quote on what he think of both seasons of The Flavor Of Love ---> Professor Griff: First of all we need to start the answer off like this, every Black Man in America needs to eat, whether you are in the rap game or not. We not gonna knock the next man's hustle on how you gotta eat. But dude, you're Public Enemy! We were the same one's talking about Bring The Noise, Don't Believe The Hype, Fight The Power. We were the same ones to talk about a Mind Revolution. Riot Starter, Public Enemy ..1, Can't Trust It, Prophets of Rage! How could you now turn around and sweetheart the devil on t.v.? Lickin' and kissing on this white woman. There is a new generation that's coming up that never heard anything about Public Enemy. They heard glimpses about what Public Enemy was about, but in full they don't know what Public Enemy was about. These young people are coming up and seeing what Public Enemy is about thru the eyes of a cat like Flava Flav. Through madness of what he is doing on t.v. We love the Brotha, very brilliant Brotha, very talented Brotha. But will he use his awareness to raise the masses of our people. Flava gotta eat, but it's just that we need to put some conscious thinking into what we do before we allow our open enemy to put this before the world. To continue to destroy us as a people. You know how many people watched one episode, of those 10 episodes that Flava did with Bridgette Nielsen on Strange Love? How many people it reached that's looking at Public Enemy like them cats sold out? Millions! That's a reality. If Flava Flav don't know it by now, and I'm sure this message will get to him, I did a 2 hour lecture, "Strange Love, has Public Enemy lost it's Flava". Trying to lay it out and lay my position out, that we are not tolerating that. We need to stop sweethearting the slave masters children. Now, I'm gonna put something out there that may be detrimental to a lot of people. Back in the days, I think all of us have had encounters with white women and white men. But, see we dealt with them in a different kind of way. I know when I was growing up, we did. If we ever dealt with a cracker, we were using her or getting something else. We don't deal with them like that now. We having children with them, we even marrying these devils, man. Which is Ridiculous! No, we should never, love the devil. Under no circumstance, he is not to be trusted especially with weakening your Melanin. You giving that Chemical Blackness, that life force away. This is what they live for. They trying to sneak into Heaven and we ain't allowing it. http://www.publicenemy.co...2&item=168 Source www.tla-pronline.com [Edited 10/25/06 17:57pm] | |
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PAPAROBBIE said: WildStyle said: Flav! More marketable and more talented. He was probably 60% of the reason I liked PE in the first place.
More talented? Get the phuck outta here. Flav is more marketable because he chose the Stepin' Fetchit route. Chuck D. and Prof. Griff need to kick his ass. Flavor was comic relief for the more serious tones in PE's music, It was a nice balance to have Chuck to be the serious MC and for Flav to be a funny hype-man. But I gotta say FUCK that shufflin' that Flav is doin right now. Co-sign! "Flavor of love" and "Being Bobby Brown" set black people back 50 years! "I wasn't invited to shake hands with Hitler, but I wasn't invited to the White House to shake hands with the President, either" ~ Jesse Owens | |
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panther514 said: PAPAROBBIE said: More talented? Get the phuck outta here. Flav is more marketable because he chose the Stepin' Fetchit route. Chuck D. and Prof. Griff need to kick his ass. Flavor was comic relief for the more serious tones in PE's music, It was a nice balance to have Chuck to be the serious MC and for Flav to be a funny hype-man. But I gotta say FUCK that shufflin' that Flav is doin right now. Co-sign! "Flavor of love" and "Being Bobby Brown" set black people back 50 years! They set you back, not me, Black people always caring what other races think of you, if another race is going to look at Flavor of Love and Being Bobby Brown and say this is how all black people act, then fuck em' they were close minded people anyway. and also Flava Flav is talented then Chuck D, and even Chuck D will say it himself, one of the reason Chuck put Flava in it was because the fact Flava was the most trained musician in the group, and if you ever go on any of there tours, Flava always gets some instrument breakdown segment on there tour | |
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KingKrazy said: panther514 said: Co-sign! "Flavor of love" and "Being Bobby Brown" set black people back 50 years! They set you back, not me, Black people always caring what other races think of you, if another race is going to look at Flavor of Love and Being Bobby Brown and say this is how all black people act, then fuck em' they were close minded people anyway. and also Flava Flav is talented then Chuck D, and even Chuck D will say it himself, one of the reason Chuck put Flava in it was because the fact Flava was the most trained musician in the group, and if you ever go on any of there tours, Flava always gets some instrument breakdown segment on there tour How old are you? Chuck says that Flav is very talented. There are plenty of talented shufflin' fools. |
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PAPAROBBIE said: KingKrazy said: They set you back, not me, Black people always caring what other races think of you, if another race is going to look at Flavor of Love and Being Bobby Brown and say this is how all black people act, then fuck em' they were close minded people anyway. and also Flava Flav is talented then Chuck D, and even Chuck D will say it himself, one of the reason Chuck put Flava in it was because the fact Flava was the most trained musician in the group, and if you ever go on any of there tours, Flava always gets some instrument breakdown segment on there tour How old are you? Chuck says that Flav is very talented. There are plenty of talented shufflin' fools. your not making sense, right now, rewrite that post, so i can understand what you view point is | |
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PAPAROBBIE said: KingKrazy said: They set you back, not me, Black people always caring what other races think of you, if another race is going to look at Flavor of Love and Being Bobby Brown and say this is how all black people act, then fuck em' they were close minded people anyway. and also Flava Flav is talented then Chuck D, and even Chuck D will say it himself, one of the reason Chuck put Flava in it was because the fact Flava was the most trained musician in the group, and if you ever go on any of there tours, Flava always gets some instrument breakdown segment on there tour How old are you? Chuck says that Flav is very talented. There are plenty of talented shufflin' fools. He's 18 (and BTW, he formerly known as KrazyKid18). | |
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PAPAROBBIE said: KingKrazy said: They set you back, not me, Black people always caring what other races think of you, if another race is going to look at Flavor of Love and Being Bobby Brown and say this is how all black people act, then fuck em' they were close minded people anyway. and also Flava Flav is talented then Chuck D, and even Chuck D will say it himself, one of the reason Chuck put Flava in it was because the fact Flava was the most trained musician in the group, and if you ever go on any of there tours, Flava always gets some instrument breakdown segment on there tour How old are you? Chuck says that Flav is very talented. There are plenty of talented shufflin' fools. EXAMPLES: Lil'Jon, ODB (Rest In Peace) | |
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TonyVanDam said: PAPAROBBIE said: More talented? Get the phuck outta here. Flav is more marketable because he chose the Stepin' Fetchit route. Chuck D. and Prof. Griff need to kick his ass. Flavor was comic relief for the more serious tones in PE's music, It was a nice balance to have Chuck to be the serious MC and for Flav to be a funny hype-man. But I gotta say FUCK that shufflin' that Flav is doin right now. ....so funny in its context!
Speaking of Professer Griff, here are his EXACT quote on what he think of both seasons of The Flavor Of Love ---> Professor Griff: First of all we need to start the answer off like this, every Black Man in America needs to eat, whether you are in the rap game or not. We not gonna knock the next man's hustle on how you gotta eat. But dude, you're Public Enemy! We were the same one's talking about Bring The Noise, Don't Believe The Hype, Fight The Power. We were the same ones to talk about a Mind Revolution. Riot Starter, Public Enemy ..1, Can't Trust It, Prophets of Rage! How could you now turn around and sweetheart the devil on t.v.? Lickin' and kissing on this white woman. There is a new generation that's coming up that never heard anything about Public Enemy. They heard glimpses about what Public Enemy was about, but in full they don't know what Public Enemy was about. These young people are coming up and seeing what Public Enemy is about thru the eyes of a cat like Flava Flav. Through madness of what he is doing on t.v. We love the Brotha, very brilliant Brotha, very talented Brotha. But will he use his awareness to raise the masses of our people. Flava gotta eat, but it's just that we need to put some conscious thinking into what we do before we allow our open enemy to put this before the world. To continue to destroy us as a people. You know how many people watched one episode, of those 10 episodes that Flava did with Bridgette Nielsen on Strange Love? How many people it reached that's looking at Public Enemy like them cats sold out? Millions! That's a reality. If Flava Flav don't know it by now, and I'm sure this message will get to him, I did a 2 hour lecture, "Strange Love, has Public Enemy lost it's Flava". Trying to lay it out and lay my position out, that we are not tolerating that. We need to stop sweethearting the slave masters children. Now, I'm gonna put something out there that may be detrimental to a lot of people. Back in the days, I think all of us have had encounters with white women and white men. But, see we dealt with them in a different kind of way. I know when I was growing up, we did. If we ever dealt with a cracker, we were using her or getting something else. We don't deal with them like that now. We having children with them, we even marrying these devils, man. Which is Ridiculous! No, we should never, love the devil. Under no circumstance, he is not to be trusted especially with weakening your Melanin. You giving that Chemical Blackness, that life force away. This is what they live for. They trying to sneak into Heaven and we ain't allowing it. http://www.publicenemy.co...2&item=168 Source www.tla-pronline.com [Edited 10/25/06 17:57pm] not knocking what Griff is saying, but he and Flav never really got along anywayz.... I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince. | |
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Chuck would wipe the floor with Flavor. a psychotic is someone who just figured out what's going on | |
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missfee said: TonyVanDam said: ....so funny in its context!
Speaking of Professer Griff, here are his EXACT quote on what he think of both seasons of The Flavor Of Love ---> Professor Griff: First of all we need to start the answer off like this, every Black Man in America needs to eat, whether you are in the rap game or not. We not gonna knock the next man's hustle on how you gotta eat. But dude, you're Public Enemy! We were the same one's talking about Bring The Noise, Don't Believe The Hype, Fight The Power. We were the same ones to talk about a Mind Revolution. Riot Starter, Public Enemy ..1, Can't Trust It, Prophets of Rage! How could you now turn around and sweetheart the devil on t.v.? Lickin' and kissing on this white woman. There is a new generation that's coming up that never heard anything about Public Enemy. They heard glimpses about what Public Enemy was about, but in full they don't know what Public Enemy was about. These young people are coming up and seeing what Public Enemy is about thru the eyes of a cat like Flava Flav. Through madness of what he is doing on t.v. We love the Brotha, very brilliant Brotha, very talented Brotha. But will he use his awareness to raise the masses of our people. Flava gotta eat, but it's just that we need to put some conscious thinking into what we do before we allow our open enemy to put this before the world. To continue to destroy us as a people. You know how many people watched one episode, of those 10 episodes that Flava did with Bridgette Nielsen on Strange Love? How many people it reached that's looking at Public Enemy like them cats sold out? Millions! That's a reality. If Flava Flav don't know it by now, and I'm sure this message will get to him, I did a 2 hour lecture, "Strange Love, has Public Enemy lost it's Flava". Trying to lay it out and lay my position out, that we are not tolerating that. We need to stop sweethearting the slave masters children. Now, I'm gonna put something out there that may be detrimental to a lot of people. Back in the days, I think all of us have had encounters with white women and white men. But, see we dealt with them in a different kind of way. I know when I was growing up, we did. If we ever dealt with a cracker, we were using her or getting something else. We don't deal with them like that now. We having children with them, we even marrying these devils, man. Which is Ridiculous! No, we should never, love the devil. Under no circumstance, he is not to be trusted especially with weakening your Melanin. You giving that Chemical Blackness, that life force away. This is what they live for. They trying to sneak into Heaven and we ain't allowing it. http://www.publicenemy.co...2&item=168 Source www.tla-pronline.com [Edited 10/25/06 17:57pm] not knocking what Griff is saying, but he and Flav never really got along anywayz.... Griff & Flav are THE antithesis of each other. Their friendship with Chuck is the only thing they have in common. | |
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KingKrazy said: panther514 said: Co-sign! "Flavor of love" and "Being Bobby Brown" set black people back 50 years! They set you back, not me, Black people always caring what other races think of you, if another race is going to look at Flavor of Love and Being Bobby Brown and say this is how all black people act, then fuck em' they were close minded people anyway. and also Flava Flav is talented then Chuck D, and even Chuck D will say it himself, one of the reason Chuck put Flava in it was because the fact Flava was the most trained musician in the group, and if you ever go on any of there tours, Flava always gets some instrument breakdown segment on there tour Chill, son....I was kidding about being set back....but you're WAY off about Flav being more talented. Flav is a novice as far as musicianship...Chuck has written lyrics that will live forever...."Black steel in the hour of chaos" is one of the most brilliantly written rap songs ever! The first words hit you in square in the mouth! "I wasn't invited to shake hands with Hitler, but I wasn't invited to the White House to shake hands with the President, either" ~ Jesse Owens | |
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panther514 said: KingKrazy said: They set you back, not me, Black people always caring what other races think of you, if another race is going to look at Flavor of Love and Being Bobby Brown and say this is how all black people act, then fuck em' they were close minded people anyway. and also Flava Flav is talented then Chuck D, and even Chuck D will say it himself, one of the reason Chuck put Flava in it was because the fact Flava was the most trained musician in the group, and if you ever go on any of there tours, Flava always gets some instrument breakdown segment on there tour Chill, son....I was kidding about being set back....but you're WAY off about Flav being more talented. Flav is a novice as far as musicianship...Chuck has written lyrics that will live forever...."Black steel in the hour of chaos" is one of the most brilliantly written rap songs ever! The first words hit you in square in the mouth! Chuck top that with Fight The Power & Shut'em Down. | |
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TonyVanDam said: panther514 said: Chill, son....I was kidding about being set back....but you're WAY off about Flav being more talented. Flav is a novice as far as musicianship...Chuck has written lyrics that will live forever...."Black steel in the hour of chaos" is one of the most brilliantly written rap songs ever! The first words hit you in square in the mouth! Chuck top that with Fight The Power & Shut'em Down. I dunno, TVD...."I got a letter from the government the other day...I opened and read it, it said they were suckers...they wanted me for their army or whatever...picture me givin' a DAMN, I said NEVER!"....brilliant "I wasn't invited to shake hands with Hitler, but I wasn't invited to the White House to shake hands with the President, either" ~ Jesse Owens | |
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I'm trying to resist the urge to tear into this silly assed thread. First off, VanDamn you for trying to pit brotha against brotha like that. Second off...nah, fuck it. I'm out. This is too damn stupid to even bother with.
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BlaqueKnight said: I'm trying to resist the urge to tear into this silly assed thread. First off, VanDamn you for trying to pit brotha against brotha like that. Second off...nah, fuck it. I'm out. This is too damn stupid to even bother with.
1. You know I can never let you have the last punch. 
2. (In case you misread anything....) I said "what IF"! I never said that Public Enemy "did" or "will"! 3. This thread was intended to be a serious discussion. These are the lead vocalists of one of the greatest hip-hop bands of all-time that we're talking about. How's that divided and conquest if even Flav himself admitted on The Tyra Show that PE are never breaking up? [Edited 10/25/06 21:02pm] | |
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Don't make me get Griff on y'all up in here!
People (the govermnent, the Jewish run entertainment industry, etc., etc., etc.) have had it in for Chuck since Day 1. Chuck D is THE MOST GANGSTA MC THAT EVER LIVED! Why? Unlike 50, Pac and any other rapper - Chuck took on the establishment. At the end of the day, 50 exposing Ja Rule or Eminem dissing celebrities pales in comparison to Chuck exposing the trilateral comission and bringing to the forefront truths that actually matter and affect real life. Flav is a part of that legacy. They are brothers in their struggle to educate. Flav brought a sugar to go with the medicine Chuck was prescribing. Griff brought the spirit of the uprising. The motivation. Still, Chuck is and always was the mastermind. Now step off this P.E. split talk or...  | |
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BlaqueKnight said: Don't make me get Griff on y'all up in here!
People (the govermnent, the Jewish run entertainment industry, etc., etc., etc.) have had it in for Chuck since Day 1. Chuck D is THE MOST GANGSTA MC THAT EVER LIVED! Why? Unlike 50, Pac and any other rapper - Chuck took on the establishment. At the end of the day, 50 exposing Ja Rule or Eminem dissing celebrities pales in comparison to Chuck exposing the trilateral comission and bringing to the forefront truths that actually matter and affect real life. Flav is a part of that legacy. They are brothers in their struggle to educate. Flav brought a sugar to go with the medicine Chuck was prescribing. Griff brought the spirit of the uprising. The motivation. Still, Chuck is and always was the mastermind. Now step off this P.E. split talk or... Chucks alright. I noticed him re-thinking those "elvis racist" lines later on. Not sure if he wrote those imfamous opening lines to "fight the power", but he seems to have his head on straight. | |
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thesexofit said: Chucks alright. Who's better at delivering poignant messages about real world affairs? Pac? Hell no. Biggie? Clever drug/party/street rapper. Rakim? Nope. He touches on things and then moves on to MC talk. KRS-1? Close. Probably the closest but he still falls back on hip-hop raps. Paris? the only other contender but his anger and over the top violence sometimes detracts from his points. Chuck has stayed the course throughout his career. "Chuck's alright"...  [Edited 10/25/06 22:55pm] | |
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BlaqueKnight said: thesexofit said: Chucks alright. Who's better at delivering poignant messages about real world affairs? Pac? Hell no. Biggie? Clever drug/party/street rapper. Rakim? Nope. He touches on things and then moves on to MC talk. KRS-1? Close. Probably the closest but he still falls back on hip-hop raps. Paris? the only other contender but his anger and over the top violence sometimes detracts from his points. Chuck has stayed the course throughout his career. "Chuck's alright"...
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KingKrazy said: panther514 said: Co-sign! "Flavor of love" and "Being Bobby Brown" set black people back 50 years! They set you back, not me, Black people always caring what other races think of you, if another race is going to look at Flavor of Love and Being Bobby Brown and say this is how all black people act, then fuck em' they were close minded people anyway. and also Flava Flav is talented then Chuck D, and even Chuck D will say it himself, one of the reason Chuck put Flava in it was because the fact Flava was the most trained musician in the group, and if you ever go on any of there tours, Flava always gets some instrument breakdown segment on there tour Flava is a talented musician but he still is fool. Its also not about what other races think but what WE think of ourselves. My issue with Flava of Love and Being Bobby Brown has nothing to do with white folks but black folks who feel this is who we are OR think that because we may have some idiot in our family like Flava or Bobby, its ok to show this sort of behavior on television. Being Brown was awful. Two ACTIVELY using addicts being idiots was just awful and should have never being on television. | |
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although both shows are pretty bad, somehow i believe that Being Bobby Brown was no where near worst than Flavor of Love...at least Being Bobby Brown was showing how truly Bobby and Whitney act, but in Flavor of Love you have a bunch of money hungry women who will stop at nothing to "act" like they are so in love with Flavor Flav...where in reality they would probably be interested in nothing more but being his groupie..if that. Then you got Flavor Flav, the fool, actually acting like he is picking his one and only "TRUE LOVE" at the end....please. I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince. | |
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