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why are there no drums in most of new music drum machines rule the music world.you have them in every music genre rock,r'n'b,pop ,dance.is real drumming too much "retro"
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Real drums are too big, loud, & expensive for kids to have in this modern world. Drum machines are smaller & have volume controls & headphone jacks. My Legacy
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Linn drum...  | |
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NDRU said: Real drums are too big, loud, & expensive for kids to have in this modern world. Drum machines are smaller & have volume controls & headphone jacks. Yes. Also real drums require drummers to play them | |
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Nowadays anyone can make music with a laptop and a certain software | |
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MikeMatronik said: Nowadays anyone can make music with a laptop and a certain software
but not necessarily good music My Legacy
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NDRU said: MikeMatronik said: Nowadays anyone can make music with a laptop and a certain software
but not necessarily good music Yes, that is true!  | |
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MikeMatronik said: Nowadays anyone can make music with a laptop and a certain software
Xactly - too much of music nowadays makes you go, "shit, I coulda done that", and you probably could....but what gets me is that if an act goes on tour, they go hire a drummer...In the recording studio, programming is seen as faster and cheaper, but then it sounds like it, too. You get what you pay for...they don't want dynamics, or nuances. Apparently, they just want some beats... ... [Edited 10/18/06 14:47pm] " I've got six things on my mind --you're no longer one of them." - Paddy McAloon, Prefab Sprout | |
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paligap said: MikeMatronik said: Nowadays anyone can make music with a laptop and a certain software
Xactly - too much of music nowadays makes you go, "shit, I coulda done that", and you probably could....but what gets me is that if an act goes on tour, they go hire a drummer...In the recording studio, programming is seen as faster and cheaper, but then it sounds like it, too. You get what you pay for...they don't want dynamics, or nuances. Apparently, they just want some beats... ... [Edited 10/18/06 14:47pm] It's funny that this thread came up at just the right time. Last weekend, I heard an artist rehearsing for a concert in my area and they had live drums and bass at the concert. However, their music on their CD (which I hear on the radio) is drum machines and fake bass. The rehearsal with the live drums and bass sounded damn good and it's a damn shame that the music was not originally recorded that way. Their studio version sounds like shit hop bullshit. I mentioned to someone who was with me (who likes that boring shit and does not see the state of today's music as corporations' fault), that if they could have live drums and bass in concert, why the hell couldn't they have them on the actual recording. Of course her reply was "They aren't going to spend all that money". Well, I see it this way...if you can spend money night after night on tour for musicians, then why the hell can't you spend it for the studio? It's called selling out to the shit hop sound because anything that isn't is not going to get radio airplay. I have more respect for people with absolutely no talent in the music business than I do for the ones that actually have talent, don't use it, and sell out just to get radio airplay. . . [Edited 10/18/06 15:10pm] Andy is a four letter word. | |
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spend all that money? since when do musicians get paid?  a psychotic is someone who just figured out what's going on | |
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Stax said: spend all that money? since when do musicians get paid?
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it's funny that people are complaining about the lack of real drums in mondern on a site dedicated to a guy that made his bones on songs based on drum machines and pretty much revolutionized and spread the practice. "I don't need your forgiveness, cos I've been saved by Jesus, so fuck you." | |
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Tessa said: it's funny that people are complaining about the lack of real drums in mondern on a site dedicated to a guy that made his bones on songs based on drum machines and pretty much revolutionized and spread the practice.
It's also Ironic that at the height of the 80's when evryone was using Drum machines, Prince based Purple Rain around a band, and in the albums after that, began to rely on Linn drums less and less. I'll quote the man himself: "Everybody else was using drum machines; I threw mine away...." Prince ... [Edited 10/18/06 15:38pm] " I've got six things on my mind --you're no longer one of them." - Paddy McAloon, Prefab Sprout | |
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THANK YOU,THANK YOU,THANK YOU for starting this thread.
I am a drumgirl,I love to play air drums,even more than air guitar. I love fills,cymbal crashes,and even solos,and that's one of the reasons why I prefer old-school music to most new music,esp.in r&b. Prince may have used drum machines,but it was somehow different when he did it(and no,I'm not a fam).He had live drums in plenty of songs,too. I DON'T WANT TO BE NORMAL,because normal is part of the status quo,which I don't want to be a part of- Tori Amos | |
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paligap said: Tessa said: it's funny that people are complaining about the lack of real drums in mondern on a site dedicated to a guy that made his bones on songs based on drum machines and pretty much revolutionized and spread the practice.
It's also Ironic that at the height of the 80's when evryone was using Drum machines, Prince based Purple Rain around a band, and in the albums after that, began to rely on Linn drums less and less. I'll quote the man himself: "Everybody else was using drum machines; I threw mine away...." Prince ... [Edited 10/18/06 15:38pm] the majority of Purple Rain wasn't, in fact created with the band. nor was ATWIAD. Parade was, but he was back to heavy use of the Linn and other drum machines with SOTT through Graffiti Bridge. "I don't need your forgiveness, cos I've been saved by Jesus, so fuck you." | |
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Tessa said: paligap said: It's also Ironic that at the height of the 80's when evryone was using Drum machines, Prince based Purple Rain around a band, and in the albums after that, began to rely on Linn drums less and less. I'll quote the man himself: "Everybody else was using drum machines; I threw mine away...." Prince ... [Edited 10/18/06 15:38pm] the majority of Purple Rain wasn't, in fact created with the band. nor was ATWIAD. Parade was, but he was back to heavy use of the Linn and other drum machines with SOTT through Graffiti Bridge. and now, too My Legacy
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NDRU said: Real drums are too big, loud, & expensive for kids to have in this modern world. Drum machines are smaller & have volume controls & headphone jacks.
Live drums are hard to mic-up properly. Drum machines (especially MPCs) are very easy to plug directly to a mixer or soundcard. | |
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MikeMatronik said: Nowadays anyone can make music with a laptop and a certain software
....like me! Except I'm still using a desktop. | |
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Tessa said: it's funny that people are complaining about the lack of real drums in mondern on a site dedicated to a guy that made his bones on songs based on drum machines and pretty much revolutionized and spread the practice.
.....and don't forget about Kraftwerk (a band that built their own drum machines from the ground up BTW!!!) YMO, Sly Stone, Shuggie Otis, George Clinton, Roger Troutman, and Hall & Oates. [Edited 10/18/06 17:24pm] | |
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Tessa said: the majority of Purple Rain wasn't, in fact created with the band. nor was ATWIAD. Parade was, but he was back to heavy use of the Linn and other drum machines with SOTT through Graffiti Bridge. Of course he still uses them; Prince increasingly showed his abilities and prowess moving back and forth between real and programmed drums... My point (and I think his point in that quote) is that he felt the need to separate himself from what the rest of the industry was doing; He never used it as a crutch like most do now; Most of the industry was doing it because it seemed to be the new thing to do; It had a certain sound, it was in vogue; it was quick and easy for someone to do; and I don't mean it shouldn't be a tool; as a musician, Prince can play live drums or program them... and I certainly don't mean to imply that all programmed music is bad; nothing wrong with options, It's just that In today's industry, especially with R&B, Hip Hop and Dance that's ALL there is - it's so easy and quick to do, you can do it right now at your computer... .... [Edited 10/18/06 19:36pm] " I've got six things on my mind --you're no longer one of them." - Paddy McAloon, Prefab Sprout | |
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This is what my 14 year old daughter has in her bedroom...
...REAL DRUMS! tA  Tribal Disorder
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Because we live in a country where we'd rather fund "wars" than fund music and art programs in our children's schools!  | |
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I think the problem is that everyone is using the SAME drum machine.....basically a kick drum and clap, or high pitched snare.
Prince innovated drum machine programming, making the Linn work overtime, detuning, running it backwards, adding effects. He makes new sounds rather than using the presets. Moreover, he MIXED live and drums to create something new. Ladycabdriver, for example uses both. He doesn't just rely on a drum machine.  |
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im sorry but i dig drum machine beats,
i've been a drum programmer all my musical life, and i enjoy doing it just some stuff you can't do on a drum set I play real drums too, but i always find myself going back to programming cause with drum machines you have tone control for the drums, sometimes the inability for tone control on live drums, makes it sound so alien to me, and physically unapealling, but im getting back into live drums, im recording some funk tracks, and doin it the ole fashion style and havin fun with it but first i always treasure my drum machines I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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vainandy said: It's funny that this thread came up at just the right time. Last weekend, I heard an artist rehearsing for a concert in my area and they had live drums and bass at the concert. However, their music on their CD (which I hear on the radio) is drum machines and fake bass. The rehearsal with the live drums and bass sounded damn good and it's a damn shame that the music was not originally recorded that way. Their studio version sounds like shit hop bullshit. I mentioned to someone who was with me (who likes that boring shit and does not see the state of today's music as corporations' fault), that if they could have live drums and bass in concert, why the hell couldn't they have them on the actual recording. Of course her reply was "They aren't going to spend all that money". Well, I see it this way...if you can spend money night after night on tour for musicians, then why the hell can't you spend it for the studio? It's called selling out to the shit hop sound because anything that isn't is not going to get radio airplay. I have more respect for people with absolutely no talent in the music business than I do for the ones that actually have talent, don't use it, and sell out just to get radio airplay. . . [Edited 10/18/06 15:10pm] So true, which is why many also sound like crap on the Live stage. Take artists that go into a studio with the band they are going to tour with, and they have no problem when it comes time to tour, when you dont use the band in the studio you are left with having to teach them the songs and also depend on them learning the songs too "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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theAudience said: This is what my 14 year old daughter has in her bedroom...
...REAL DRUMS! OWWAHH!  | |
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lastdecember said: vainandy said: It's funny that this thread came up at just the right time. Last weekend, I heard an artist rehearsing for a concert in my area and they had live drums and bass at the concert. However, their music on their CD (which I hear on the radio) is drum machines and fake bass. The rehearsal with the live drums and bass sounded damn good and it's a damn shame that the music was not originally recorded that way. Their studio version sounds like shit hop bullshit. I mentioned to someone who was with me (who likes that boring shit and does not see the state of today's music as corporations' fault), that if they could have live drums and bass in concert, why the hell couldn't they have them on the actual recording. Of course her reply was "They aren't going to spend all that money". Well, I see it this way...if you can spend money night after night on tour for musicians, then why the hell can't you spend it for the studio? It's called selling out to the shit hop sound because anything that isn't is not going to get radio airplay. I have more respect for people with absolutely no talent in the music business than I do for the ones that actually have talent, don't use it, and sell out just to get radio airplay. . . [Edited 10/18/06 15:10pm] So true, which is why many also sound like crap on the Live stage. Take artists that go into a studio with the band they are going to tour with, and they have no problem when it comes time to tour, when you dont use the band in the studio you are left with having to teach them the songs and also depend on them learning the songs too um thats also a finacial problem as well... cause then you have to pay that band a percentage, of the songs, radio spins etc... ec... just use a damn drum machine and keep alll the money yourself lolololololol I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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CinisterCee said: theAudience said: This is what my 14 year old daughter has in her bedroom...
...REAL DRUMS! OWWAHH! a psychotic is someone who just figured out what's going on | |
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theAudience said: This is what my 14 year old daughter has in her bedroom...
...REAL DRUMS! tA Tribal Disorder
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Because..most people dont know how to play shit nowadays..and because its the sound of modern radio ie: HITS !!! ..I use both..It depends on the song..what I have a problem with is
a) people rely on them to make grooves these days more than songs.. b) Everybody doing stupid ass R&B , hip hop, and dumb ass Pop for 13 year olds rock the same beats as the previous HIT..If its neptunes producers copy them..If its DR DRE people copy him..If its teddy riley..the same..timberland..ditto..There is a generation of musical people with zero musicality and that SUCKS !!!!!  | |
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