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Will JD quit Virgin Over 20YO? Dupri: Label germane to Janet's CD flop
Janet Jackson's boyfriend, Jermaine Dupri, is said to be blaming fellow execs at Virgin Records for the miserable sales of her new CD. We hear Dupri has threatened to quit as president of the Virgin Urban division because he feels label chairman Jason Flom and his team didn't market Jackson's album "20 Y.O." correctly. The CD's sales plummeted 74% in its second week, dropping from No. 2 to No. 9 on the Nielsen SoundScan chart. "Jermaine blames Virgin for not getting it enough radio play — not working it," says an insider. In a desperate move to breathe life into "20 Y.O.," a source says Dupri is courting Mariah Carey to have a duet with Jackson on a track that would be added to a new version of the disk — even though some estimate Virgin still hasn't moved about 200,000 of the first batch. Dupri has made no secret of his displeasure with the way Virgin handled Jackson's last album, "Damita Jo," telling The New York Times' Lola Ogunnaike, "They didn't push the project." Flom has said that was before he came to the label. But another source says, "Jermaine and Jason haven't gotten along from the start." Reps for Dupri, Virgin and Carey didn't return calls. But one of Flom's defenders argues, "Jason wants the CD to be a hit as much as anyone, but she didn't have the goods." [Edited 10/17/06 12:09pm] Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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JackieBlue said: Dupri: Label germane to Janet's CD flop
Janet Jackson's boyfriend, Jermaine Dupri, is said to be blaming fellow execs at Virgin Records for the miserable sales of her new CD. We hear Dupri has threatened to quit as president of the Virgin Urban division because he feels label chairman Jason Flom and his team didn't market Jackson's album "20 Y.O." correctly. The CD's sales plummeted 74% in its second week, dropping from No. 2 to No. 9 on the Nielsen SoundScan chart. "Jermaine blames Virgin for not getting it enough radio play — not working it," says an insider. In a desperate move to breathe life into "20 Y.O.," a source says Dupri is courting Mariah Carey to have a duet with Jackson on a track that would be added to a new version of the disk — even though some estimate Virgin still hasn't moved about 200,000 of the first batch. Dupri has made no secret of his displeasure with the way Virgin handled Jackson's last album, "Damita Jo," telling The New York Times' Lola Ogunnaike, "They didn't push the project." Flom has said that was before he came to the label. But another source says, "Jermaine and Jason haven't gotten along from the start." Reps for Dupri, Virgin and Carey didn't return calls. But one of Flom's defenders argues, "Jason wants the CD to be a hit as much as anyone, but she didn't have the goods." [Edited 10/17/06 12:09pm] JD really is a moron. You don't publicly slag off the company responsible for pushing your "wife's" next album and expect them to throw their full weight behind the next one now, do you? Especially if said album is a pile of shit. Who wants to push shit if they're not a farmer, a sewage worker, or a janitor? There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently | |
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I have a feeling JD's misguided marketing and producing of this album, plus his recent tantrums are going split him and Janet up. "I don't need your forgiveness, cos I've been saved by Jesus, so fuck you." | |
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Tessa said: I have a feeling JD's misguided marketing and producing of this album, plus his recent tantrums are going split him and Janet up.
She'll be better off without him - especially profesionally. Mind you, given her astonishing lack of judgement and good taste vis-a-vis 20 YO, she probably thinks he's being chivalrous. There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently | |
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Shapeshifter said: Tessa said: I have a feeling JD's misguided marketing and producing of this album, plus his recent tantrums are going split him and Janet up.
She'll be better off without him - especially profesionally. Mind you, given her astonishing lack of judgement and good taste vis-a-vis 20 YO, she probably thinks he's being chivalrous. She'd definitely be better off without him. Hell, she'd have been better off with just Jame & Lewis if they'd waited another 2 years and built up enough decent songs and production ideas for a comeback album. She could've paid them herself to not waste any work on other artists. or just put out a greatest hits. but i imagine that's all that's left on her contract, so they had to go through the motions and get this one out of the way. [Edited 10/17/06 12:28pm] "I don't need your forgiveness, cos I've been saved by Jesus, so fuck you." | |
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Tessa said: I have a feeling JD's misguided marketing and producing of this album, plus his recent tantrums are going split him and Janet up.
some good things don't last forever..... I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince. | |
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Tessa said: Shapeshifter said: She'll be better off without him - especially profesionally. Mind you, given her astonishing lack of judgement and good taste vis-a-vis 20 YO, she probably thinks he's being chivalrous. She'd definitely be better off without him. Hell, she'd have been better off with just Jame & Lewis if they'd waited another 2 years and built up enough decent songs and production ideas for a comeback album. She could've paid them herself to not waste any work on other artists. or just put out a greatest hits. but i imagine that's all that's left on her contract, so they had to go through the motions and get this one out of the way. [Edited 10/17/06 12:28pm] Indeed. Or else really taken a risk and tried out some European producers like Madonna and Kelis did. Too bold though. Yup, expect a Greatest Hits tracking her decline from sexy r n b reinvention to sad, desperate irrelevant repetition to hit the racks while she's teasing us with hers on her five city US tour. There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently | |
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Well if they did just throw something out there to fulfill a contract it would seem to be the best time to experiment instead of hype up an album of original material so much that you even name it after it's supposed inspiration only for it to be chock full of poo. Then try to sell it with four different covers with whispers of a re-release before it even drops? JD wants to talk about loyal fans? You don't rip off loyal fans.
I'd like to think they just missed on this one because believing they just wanted out is even more of a disappointment. Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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JackieBlue said: Well if they did just throw something out there to fulfill a contract it would seem to be the best time to experiment instead of hype up an album of original material so much that you even name it after it's supposed inspiration only for it to be chock full of poo. Then try to sell it with four different covers with whispers of a re-release before it even drops? JD wants to talk about loyal fans? You don't rip off loyal fans.
I'd like to think they just missed on this one because believing they just wanted out is even more of a disappointment. I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince. | |
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Remember the good old days when it was just Janet, Jimmy, and Terry sitting in the studio, making music history. What happened to that? I remember in an interview she was asked about working with other producers and she says, "If it ain't broke, don't fix it." Working with JD, Kanye, Neptunes and the like in my opinion was a mistake. I'm not saying she should not venture out but jeez! [Edited 10/17/06 13:07pm] | |
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I think she should just stick with Jimmy Jam and Terry Lewis. They're the ones that know how to create something unique(or at least funky) that complements Janet's voice. The JJ and TL songs on the album are the ones that shine.
Not that I think Janet has a bad voice, but it has very little range. I can't say she's the worst singer in her family(that undoubtly goes to Latoya), but she's not the best either, and she's lightyears away from having Michael's voice. In fact, it's amazing how many people on the site bitch about Madonna's voice when she's a better singer than Janet. That said, Im an longtime Janet fan(as well as Michael), and I didnt think that 20 Y.O. was the turd everyone is saying it is. Definitely not janet or The Velvet Rope, but I'd say it's better than All For You and Damita Jo. | |
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I'm thinking even if he leaves Virgin, he'll probably still be involved in her career. I wonder if that would be a case of same story different label... Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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Well once again i have to say it. Radio is not going to embrace you because she does not fit the demographic, Radio is not what it was in the 80's and 70's. DJ's cannot play what they want, they have a list 10-20 songs to play and thats it, and if you look at the artists, they are rarely near janets age. Now if you want to conform and mold yourself into someone that is going to sell to that Ciara/Ne-yo crowd then give it a go, but you will look foolish. I just think the way they went about this album was all wrong, they were trying to Hype it as a 20th anniversary to Control but then they have song with Nelly to lead off the album, really bad marketing and idea. How about no guests, she didnt need them when she did control, dont do it now. I view guest artists as a lame attempt to hype your sales, Im tired of hearing artists talk like "Oh i admired so and so and always wanted to work with them", BULLSHIT, you are trying to get a quick hit and sell to a crowd that cares nothing about you. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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JackieBlue said: I'm thinking even if he leaves Virgin, he'll probably still be involved in her career. I wonder if that would be a case of same story different label...
He's already hopped from Arista/BMG to Columbia/SONY and now Virgin/EMI...he will jump again...they (ego-driven moguls/prodcers) are never satisfied. Next up: Universal...check out Puffy/Diddy/Shitty's track record...RCA to Universal to Warner Music Group all in the last decade. Whoever's willing to front the cash and put up with ego bullshit. peace Every minute of last night is on my face today.... | |
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newskin69 said: Not that I think Janet has a bad voice, but it has very little range. I can't say she's the worst singer in her family(that undoubtly goes to Latoya), but she's not the best either, and she's lightyears away from having Michael's voice. What's your opinion on Rebbie's singing voice? | |
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Is Janet feeling the 20yr fall back that is natural to most artists her age and who have been around for a long time? It was bound to happen sooner or later. I mean there aren't that many woman acts out there that have been kickin it for 20+ years and still have a major hit. Christian Zombie Vampires | |
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Oh and maybe those of us that aren't big fans see the album and think "20 years old she ain't" Or is it a retrospective album? I saw it and have nothing against JJ, but that's what I thought. Maybe folks were put off the title like I was. It's a small thing, but maybe I am not alone. Christian Zombie Vampires | |
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all i know is 2 weeks after a debut at number 2, ol' girl is barely hanging on to a spot in the top 20. next week she won't even be there.
i hear a wake up call for someone. i just wonder if she does. [Edited 10/17/06 17:26pm] | |
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This, like the other older artsits albums are well done and have good sons on them i.e. Prince's 3121, Maddy and janet, but I think the buying public is not seeing enough of them or they arent even being played on the radio. I have yet to hear "So Excited" Black Sweat" "Hung Up" or even "Get Otgether" on the radio AT ALL and it is rediculous. Straight Jacket Funk Affair
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paisleypark4 said: This, like the other older artsits albums are well done and have good sons on them i.e. Prince's 3121, Maddy and janet, but I think the buying public is not seeing enough of them or they arent even being played on the radio. I have yet to hear "So Excited" Black Sweat" "Hung Up" or even "Get Otgether" on the radio AT ALL and it is rediculous.
black sweat and so excited are only ok AND their performed by older artists. i heard hung up all over the place when it was new. even get together i've heard a bit, but again, its one of the weaker tracks on the cd. when you're older in the entertainment biz you better bring it hard cuz if not ain't nobody gonna pay attention to your depends wearin' ass. | |
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sallysassalot said: paisleypark4 said: This, like the other older artsits albums are well done and have good sons on them i.e. Prince's 3121, Maddy and janet, but I think the buying public is not seeing enough of them or they arent even being played on the radio. I have yet to hear "So Excited" Black Sweat" "Hung Up" or even "Get Otgether" on the radio AT ALL and it is rediculous.
black sweat and so excited are only ok AND their performed by older artists. i heard hung up all over the place when it was new. even get together i've heard a bit, but again, its one of the weaker tracks on the cd. when you're older in the entertainment biz you better bring it hard cuz if not ain't nobody gonna pay attention to your depends wearin' ass. Well its all about the focus of the industry, and its focus is on youth/looks and things like that. Now if you look at the Latin Market and Latin Radio, the artists that get more of the focus are older averaging in their 30's, to american top 40 being in your 30's is old and over no matter what you are bringing to the table. The older artists will basically always have their base to depend on, where as the new artists now, will not have that, since the average life today of an artist is about 2 albums. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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paisleypark4 said: This, like the other older artsits albums are well done and have good sons on them i.e. Prince's 3121, Maddy and janet, but I think the buying public is not seeing enough of them or they arent even being played on the radio. I have yet to hear "So Excited" Black Sweat" "Hung Up" or even "Get Otgether" on the radio AT ALL and it is rediculous.
I think Hung Up is the exception to the rule though. When it came out, it got good radio play and was all over MTV. And while the rest of the singles bombed on the charts, the album still had overall healthy sales. Then again, Madonna knew who to cater the album to(the 18-35 yearold demographic and clubgoers) and didn't even try impressing the kiddos. But yea, Black Sweat pretty much got the finger from radio, as is what's happening to So Excited. It says alot that the only reason Call On Me received the airplay it got was cause Janet got Nelly to appear on the song | |
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superspaceboy said: Oh and maybe those of us that aren't big fans see the album and think "20 years old she ain't" Or is it a retrospective album? I saw it and have nothing against JJ, but that's what I thought. Maybe folks were put off the title like I was. It's a small thing, but maybe I am not alone.
I know what you're saying, I didn't "get" the title either! "I would say that Prince's top thirty percent is great. Of that thirty percent, I'll bet the public has heard twenty percent of it." - Susan Rogers, "Hunting for Prince's Vault", BBC, 2015 | |
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newskin69 said: I think Hung Up is the exception to the rule though. When it came out, it got good radio play and was all over MTV. And while the rest of the singles bombed on the charts, the album still had overall healthy sales. Then again, Madonna knew who to cater the album to(the 18-35 yearold demographic and clubgoers) and didn't even try impressing the kiddos...
I think you're right. But why would she want to cater to the fickle "teenybopper" audience? Hell, why not (discreetly or otherwise) target the 30+ crowd? They have a longer attention span. They're more likely to pounce on the next album even if it's been a whole 2 or 3 years since the last one. Or even if they didn't care for the last album. It seems they're more likely to turn out for a tour. And finally, they definitely have more disposable income to spend on CD's, tickets, and merchadise. "I would say that Prince's top thirty percent is great. Of that thirty percent, I'll bet the public has heard twenty percent of it." - Susan Rogers, "Hunting for Prince's Vault", BBC, 2015 | |
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The next CD has to be JD free at all levels....period! | |
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I think the main problem was that JD thought he was going to repeat the whole Mariah "MIMI" chart success, as usual with producers of todays generation the rarely try something different they just try the same thing with all of their artists. Well Janet and Mariah are very different, also the whole "MIMI" thing was a fluke, that first single "its like that" with JD did poorly, and it didnt look like Mariah was going to sell to anyone but her loyal base, which is big anyway. Of course "we Belong" took off and then "Shake it off" and then when it looked as if things were slowing "dont forget about us" which basically was "we Belong together" part 2, and then the re-issue basically doubled the sales. For Janet i think JD was thinking he could hit that audience again, which is why im sure he brought in Nelly to try and get the HipHop crowd and younger audience, despite it being a RB hit, it wasnt crossing over really. I think the target audience of this album should have been focused on Pop/Dance instead of just RB Hip Hop which is not a strong market for Janet. "We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F | |
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Funny thing is It's Like That was not scheduled to be the first single. It was Say Somethin' then JD pushed for It's Like That and the label went with it. I dont think they needed to put out Don't Forget About Us when there were plenty of other strong songs on Emancipation but back to Janet... I dont know what to say about Janet anymore. I dont even think Janet cares what we think anymore anyway. Shes going to do what she wants to do. Or what her JD tells her to do. Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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JackieBlue said: I dont know what to say about Janet anymore. I dont even think Janet cares what we think anymore anyway. Shes going to do what she wants to do. Or what her JD tells her to do. | |
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sallysassalot said: paisleypark4 said: This, like the other older artsits albums are well done and have good sons on them i.e. Prince's 3121, Maddy and janet, but I think the buying public is not seeing enough of them or they arent even being played on the radio. I have yet to hear "So Excited" Black Sweat" "Hung Up" or even "Get Otgether" on the radio AT ALL and it is rediculous.
black sweat and so excited are only ok AND their performed by older artists. i heard hung up all over the place when it was new. even get together i've heard a bit, but again, its one of the weaker tracks on the cd. when you're older in the entertainment biz you better bring it hard cuz if not ain't nobody gonna pay attention to your depends wearin' ass. crack is wack! "I don't need your forgiveness, cos I've been saved by Jesus, so fuck you." | |
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