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PrintableDarlingDiana said: The problem with acoustic drums are that they are hard to mic up (as has been stated in this thread). That's why I like using electronic drums for recording. A real drummer still plays them, but the difference is that the sound goes straight into a mixer, it's entirely digital. But, electronic drums sound so lifeless. I am sometimes impressed at how good some electronic kits sound and how close they are to the sound of an acoustic kit, but they just seem to lack something. I've recorded songs using an electronic kit, but used an acoustic for rough demos. The drumming on the demos always sound better to me. But to avoid the hissing and ringing and other noises you pick up when you try and record an acoustic kit, you have to use an electronic kit.
As for drum machines, and drum loops, they really piss me off. They are a cheap, lazy shortcut. A real drummer will always outplay a computer. To create certain feels, I like to have the drummer lay back on the beat, or rush the beat a bit depending on what mood I am trying to create. You can't do that with a drum machine. They are so lifeless and they put hardworking musicians out of work. I feel your pain....Every jam I make eventually leads me to the same road..do I go for the right feel or the easier...more modern approach..Its hard when most people dont seem to care (listeners)..I got a record deal the minute I simplified my sound and stopped trying to sound like Im a 70;s REAL funk dude...WIERD !!!  | |
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DarlingDiana said:
A real drummer will always outplay a computer. Exactly. A computer does not have feeling or soul. It can only do what it was made to do and has nothing of it's own to add. It's lifeless and the music sounds lifeless. And don't even get me started on computerized radio stations with no live DJs.  Andy is a four letter word. | |
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prettymansson said:
I got a record deal the minute I simplified my sound and stopped trying to sound like Im a 70;s REAL funk dude...WIERD !!! If you got a record deal playing real music and were successful, it might influence others to do the same. The record companies are not going to let that happen because it would cost more money. Also, if real music ever caught on again and the general public started demanding more of it, it would put a lot of rappers out of business since most of them can't play a fucking lick. Record companies want them around because most of them are stupid and easy for the record companies to cheat. Andy is a four letter word. | |
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What are you listening to? | |
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vainandy said: prettymansson said:
I got a record deal the minute I simplified my sound and stopped trying to sound like Im a 70;s REAL funk dude...WIERD !!! If you got a record deal playing real music and were successful, it might influence others to do the same. The record companies are not going to let that happen because it would cost more money. Also, if real music ever caught on again and the general public started demanding more of it, it would put a lot of rappers out of business since most of them can't play a fucking lick. Record companies want them around because most of them are stupid and easy for the record companies to cheat. I said I got a record deal...Its my 3rd one and each time it has gone the way its going now...a big fight between what I KNOW is the shit !!! vs what label executives think I am capable of...needless to say..the countdown has begun to us parting ways..AGAIN !!! [Edited 10/22/06 0:57am] | |
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prettymansson said: blackguitaristz said: All the strong and obvious points have already been made, so uh, I'm not going to stack on top of what's already built. I will state this; Real drums or the flavor of the month trendy ass drum sample is not going to make a song a hit. Or for that matter, a song any good. It still, thank GOD, depends on what's going on in the music. You know, little shit like chord progressions and riffs and coldblooded bass lines. The vocal melody, hook, etc. Little shit like that. I know that might pale in comparison to the mighty sound of a drum machine. Whatever. Point is, the skins (real drums) aren't going to pop unless you've got all that other (little) shit already happenin'. Of course I favor acoustic drums. The machine has it's place as well. Ask Sly and Shuggie. Ask Roger and Zapp. But, to pull that off, u have to be a real musician FIRST, to have that sensibility, to know what to do with the machine. If your music and your musicianship is bangin' in the first place, then you're going to know what to do with the machine and how to use it. It's going to compliment what is ALREADY bangin' in the first place, cuz THE SONG is there. The machine is the just the cherry on the cake. The right clap on an acoustic snare can "enhance" the song. But a cool sounding clap ain't going to do shit, if the song isn't there. Trust me, "Flashlight" and "More Bounce" didn't NEED the clap on top of a natural snare to make the song bang. Did it help? Hell yeah it did. But again, my point is the music, the song, was ALREADY there it's glory. The machine just iced it. Gotta have the goods first. Otherwise, fuck a drum machine. It's not going to save u.
spoken like a true funk pimp !!!!!  U KNOW it, player! SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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NDRU said: blackguitaristz said: All the strong and obvious points have already been made, so uh, I'm not going to stack on top of what's already built. I will state this; Real drums or the flavor of the month trendy ass drum sample is not going to make a song a hit. Or for that matter, a song any good. It still, thank GOD, depends on what's going on in the music. You know, little shit like chord progressions and riffs and coldblooded bass lines. The vocal melody, hook, etc. Little shit like that. I know that might pale in comparison to the mighty sound of a drum machine. Whatever. Point is, the skins (real drums) aren't going to pop unless you've got all that other (little) shit already happenin'. Of course I favor acoustic drums. The machine has it's place as well. Ask Sly and Shuggie. Ask Roger and Zapp. But, to pull that off, u have to be a real musician FIRST, to have that sensibility, to know what to do with the machine. If your music and your musicianship is bangin' in the first place, then you're going to know what to do with the machine and how to use it. It's going to compliment what is ALREADY bangin' in the first place, cuz THE SONG is there. The machine is the just the cherry on the cake. The right clap on an acoustic snare can "enhance" the song. But a cool sounding clap ain't going to do shit, if the song isn't there. Trust me, "Flashlight" and "More Bounce" didn't NEED the clap on top of a natural snare to make the song bang. Did it help? Hell yeah it did. But again, my point is the music, the song, was ALREADY there it's glory. The machine just iced it. Gotta have the goods first. Otherwise, fuck a drum machine. It's not going to save u.
yes indeedy! A good musician can make good music even with a machine. A bad one can't make good music even with a full orchestra. Yep. SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
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That´s why I don´t like current music. I can´t stand those electronic drums. "When Michael Jackson is just singing and dancing, you just think this is an astonishing talent. And he has had this astounding talent all his life, but we want him to be floored as well. We really don´t like the idea that he could have it all." | |
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