mikek1 said:[quote]

Shapeshifter said:

i said rick james was accused of sexual assault not rape and you said 'semantics'.


Yes, you read that correctly.

From wikipedia.org:

In 1993, James was convicted of assaulting two women, with the first assault during one of his cocaine binges. In 1991, he, along with future wife, Tanya Hijazi, were accused of holding 24-year old Frances Alley hostage for up to six days (accounts vary on how long she was actually held), tying her up, forcing her to perform sexual acts, and burning her legs and abdomen with a hot crack pipe during a weeklong cocaine binge.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rick_James

Forcing someone to perform sexual acts ... while not technically "rape" (depending on legal definitions in state and/or country), was probably "rape" in the victim's mind. Now, if I forced you to blow me at gunpoint you would probably consider that "rape". And it would be. You've seen "Deliverance" right?


James brown has SETTLED ONE THAN A COUPLE of lawsuits for sexual assault out of court!!!!

Well, let's have the deatails. And don't confuse "sexual assault" with "sexual harrassment", because James Brown has had his fair share of those suits.

Now, from wikipedia - again:

Brown has been married four times. He and his current wife Tommie Raye Hynie, were married in 2002, but the marriage was annulled. They later remarried in 2004 and have one child together. Brown also has two children by his first wife, Deidre Jenkins, and three more by his second, Velma Warren. Adrienne Rodriegues, Brown's wife through most of the 1980s and 1990s, had him arrested four times on charges of assault, and also had problems with drug abuse.




You like Prince the person?

Don't know him. And neither do you. But I love most of the music.

What artists do you like then?

I think you could maybe have an inkling of that if you scrolled back and read, huh? Put it this way - I think Jay Z's a poor man's P Diddy, but I loathe both.
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Shapeshifter said:[quote]

mikek1 said:

I don't know ted bundy or r.kelly but i know what they have done so i can make a logical viewpoint on their characters.

jay z a poor man's p.diddy?
You obviously know nothing about hip hop!

you are the ignorant one and would be laughed at on any rap forum.

mikek1 said:

I'd never go on a rap forum because I think the music sucks now. But I'd really be interested to see how long your raggedy ass would last on one if you wrote that James Brown was a talentless chancer who just happened to have invented the backbone of the music you're such an expert in.

Anyway, calling me ignorant because I'd be laughed at in a RAP FORUM is seriously fucking funny. You're a clown, but a funny one.
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mikek1 said:[quote]

Shapeshifter said:

Big pun was a lyrical GENIUS and is considered that by EVERY major rapper out!

Now we reach the peakage, runnin trains for three days
Who wanna ride it won't cost you a dollar
whether soft or harder of course you still gonna holla
My my, I'm big huh, I rip my prick through your hooters
I'm sick, you couldn't measure my dick with six rulers
Hold up, chula, I'm all about gettin loot
But I knock that boot, if you out to get HOOF


Genius, eh? Mate, this is fucking SHAKESPEARE!!!! The Bard himself couldn't have come up with that six ruler metaphor for "I've got a big dick". You know, fat fuck that he was, did Big Bun even know he had a cock below all that blubber?



Jay z is one of the greatest rappers ever and his debut album is a stone cold classic GENIUS album.

I've got it. It's a pile of shit. Poor man's P Diddy, mate. Learnt all his tricks from the Diddler - who, at least, knew a thing or two about production. And can actually act too, to give the guy his due. Shit records though. But as Jay would say - You Can't Knock Da Hussle


You said Axl rose isn't a genius MILLIONS of people would say different.

Ooooooh - I can hear the chorus of disapproval deafening me now. Millions of people said the same thing about Bros . And then they grew up. Axl, of course, wrote the following:

One In a Million

Guess I needed
Sometime to get away
I needed some peace of mind
Some peace of mind that'll stay
So I thumbed it
Down to sixth and L.A.
Maybe your greyhound
Could be my way
Police and niggers
That's right
Get out of my way
Don't need to buy none of your
Goldchains today
I don't need no bracelets
Clamped in front of my back
Just need my ticket till then
Won't you cut me some slack


Immigrants and faggots
They make no sense to me
They come to our country
And think they'll do as they please
Like start some mini Iran
Or spread some fucking disease
They talk so many goddamn ways
It's all greek to me
Well some say I'm lazy
And others say that's just me
Some say I'm crazy
I guess I'll always be
But it's been such a long time
Since I knew right from wrong
It's all the means to an end, I,
I keep on movin' along

By the way, Axl HATED rap and refused to allow NWA to sample Welcome To The Jungle. You know why? 'Cause he didn't like blacks. Dunno how he reconciled his views with mixed-race Slash being his main musical foil, and I suppose Slash's brain was so utterly pickled at the time that he forgot that his mother was black while he played along to such a vile little number. Or maybe he didn't like her. Or maybe he didn't understand the shit from the bile that was spewing out of his singer's mouth.

Say, do you quote THAT on your rap forums?



Many think AFD is the best rock album ever.

(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Appetitefordestruction.jpg)

Sure. Many think Take That & Party is a work of genius too. Well, guess they never heard Physical Graffiti then. Or Led Zep IV. Or The Who's Live At Leeds. Or Live & Dangerous. Or Bon Jovi (just kidding). Axl Rose is, was and also will be a caterwauling, talentless hick. He's also fucking lazy. I mean seventy five years and he's still making the follow up to The Spaghetti Incident.

OPINIONS; don't insult others because of theirs.

If your opinions were a little better formed, consistent and backed up with, you know, something remotely resembling a coherent argument (that "millions of people think this so it mjust be so" one doesn't count - millions of people think Elvis is still alive, that the moon landings were fake, that women come out of men's ribs ..... )to back them up then I wouldn't be playing atomic polo with them every time one of yours rolled my way.

Now, onto less controversial matters - what do you think of today's weather?

Shapeshifter said:[quote]

mikek1 said:

I think dude was calling you out because you made an uninformed statement about a hip-hop artist...Anyone that says that Jay Z is a poor man's Puffy, no matter how misogynistic they find the man or how much they loathe hip-hop, should just keep quiet about all matters rap (No disrespect...you seem really passionate about music...for real...)...

To me, it would be equal to saying that Bon Jovi is the same as Metallica because both group plays guitars....Cutting and posting out a few choice lyrics on any artists is suspect and at best weak to prove your point....The same could be done to Prince, Stevie Wonder or any of the greats....If you don't like hip-hop, I can deal with that...But you are reaching with the Diddy, Jay Z comparisons...
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PUN WAS A GENIUS!
Ay-yo my murderous rap verbal attack is actual fact
Tactical tracks match perfectly with graphical stats
Half a you lack the magical dap of tragical rap
That tackles you back and shackles and laughs at you
That's...the mathematical madness I'm on, the savage, the strong
The marriage, a bond of havoc and song
This massacre's on as if Picasso laced you
There's lotsa hateful skeletons locked
in the closet of my castle of Grayskull
I'm possum at grade school, that's why I have to debate you
My raps are like Capel, slashin' your face, you
That's how a master degrades you
I'm battlin' Jesus (hay-soos) if he passes through my label
I'm snatchin' his halo
God I pray that you send my father back as an angel
Language is fatal and it's hypnotizin'
I'm only emphasizin', I'm still all about business and enterprisin'
I'm super lyrical, a brain boosts the chemicals
That's used contenicals inside of my mental projectable

My crew puff lye, anyone test the Pun must die
Just give me one try -- 'Now you know you done fucked up right?'
Hah, you ain't got no wins in my casa
Que te pasa, you ain't even in my clasa
I hate a actor that plays a rapper
I'm Terror Squad beta kappa everybody's favorite rapper
Grand imperial college material insane criminal
The same nigga who known to blow out your brain mineral
I reign subliminal inside your visual
Try to supply your physical with my spiritual side of this lyrical
I'll appear in your dreams, like Freddie do, no kidding you
Even if I stuttered I would still sh-sh-sh-shit on you
Soon as I chitter chatter you shitter shatter, I'm the kid
out of Bronx, that'll stomp you to death like it didn't matter
I'm even better than before, iller metaphors
Killers bet it all on Pun, cause one verse, dead em all

Just call me Baby Jesus cuz lady niggaz be praisin' me
Just for the way I blaze to be crazily, tape to CD lasery
It pays to be amazingly flavery
Daaaaze 'em to my rhymes that basically hypnotize you occasionally

It's Big Pun! The one and only son of Tony...Montana
You ain't promised manana in the rotten manzana
C'mon-pana we need more rhymers
feel the marijuana snake bite anaconda
A man of honour wouldn't wanna try to match my persona
Sometimes rhymin' I blow my own mind like Nirvana
Comma, and go the whole nine like Madonna
Go try to find another rhymer with my kinda gramma

mikek1 said:

Um, you don't have to school me, of all people, on anything Zep-related. I already know all these stories and more I can assure you. I realize the discussion is about rape, and I just said that I never heard any credible story about anything of that nature ACTUALLY happening. No one really knows for sure.

And it's spelled "Jimmy" Page, not Jimi. And yes, he's been married to the Brazilian Jimena Gomez for 10 years now and they have 2 young children together and they both work for the ABC Trust, which is a charity for poor children in Brazil. I have pictures of him receiving his OBE, so yes, I am aware of all things Page.

minneapolisgenius said:

o.k lol
Can you believe that other poster compared zeppelin to the convicted CHILD rapist gary glitter?
I was unaware as well about bonzo but apparantly nick kent said it in the NME 1994 and on his talks.
I would love to hear if anyone else knows anthing about this or has kent been asked about it since.

BTW what do you think of the bar incident? w/ bonzo punching that women for lookinfg at him.

mikek1 said:

I haven't read through the whole thread, so I didn't read the Gary Glitter comparision yet.

I have heard that Bonzo did have two completely different personalities though. One when he was drinking, and one when he wasn't. I was, in fact, just thinking about that bar story though. It's pretty crazy, and if it's true, I think I would have gone from being a fan to so NOT a fan pretty quickly. (I heard the woman told him that she loved his playing, and he freaked out and punched her).

All these stories though are like the telephone game: it starts out small as one thing, and over time becomes this huge, sordid urban legend. Who knows though. I wouldn't have wanted to be around Bonzo when he was drunk personally. He might have crapped in my purse.

mikek1 said:

wtf....


people that say "there are no wrong opinions" have obviously never met you.

not true. jeff buckley wasn't and the only woman kurt cobain ever hit was courtney, and who could blame him, right?
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wavesofbliss said:

I agree, thats a bunch of bullshit to classify someone with term genius, and associate it with violence...

minneapolisgenius said:

Maybe you'll have better luck locating that NME piece where Nick Kent made the claim.
[Edited 10/23/06 0:57am]

murph said:[quote]

Shapeshifter said:

Well, that is exactly the point I was making.
[Edited 10/23/06 1:16am]
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Tessa said:

Mikok's idea of James Brown lyrics:

Bitch.. you better recognise

where's my money...bitch

I'll break your ass...bitch

Ho.. yeah you better get over here

Still beating... my wife

I'm a sex machine.. whether you like it or not

http://www.prince.org/msg/8/205112


But hey, Big Pun's a "genius".

And James Brown, according to Mikok "isn't a writer" and never came up with a single beat. No really. That's what he said.

So, how come I'm looking at Roots of a Revolution, and I'm seeing James Brown credited as sole author of about two thirds of the 43 songs on here? And then, if you pull out Soul Pride: The Instrumentals, he's credited as sole writer of half of those seminal tracks too, and co-writer of most of the rest - including Funky Drummer. And then there's The Star Time box set - 70 tracks - sole writer of the majority of those tracks, co-writer on most of the rest. Nevermind, eh?
[Edited 10/23/06 1:13am]

mikek1 said:

Dude. Seriously. What the fuck have you been smoking?

Shapeshifter said:

James brown's a musician? o.k what does he play?

I was joking about the 'bitch' stuff.

Pun was a lyrical genius but a wife beating skumbag.

mikek1 said:

Well, one man's shit is a peasant's manure.

You say yes, I say no
You say stop and I say go, go, go
Oh, no
You say goodbye and I say hello
HELLO, HELLO?

And that's "sCumbag", mikok, a vowel not a consonant.
[Edited 10/23/06 5:56am]

FuNkeNsteiN said:

Maybe he's got him confused with Jim Brown, the football player turned (pretty good) actor. Don't think Jim's got any musical talent at all, but I could be wrong.

Anyway, this thread was originally about Macca The Wifebeater as opposed to crap rappers. New stuff emerged in the papers yesterday, when his troubles seemed so far away ....


McCartney staff named as witnesses to marital rows
Maurice Chittenden and Daniel Foggo

Riddle of leaked divorce papers solved


HEATHER MILLS hopes to call at least four witnesses from Sir Paul McCartney’s staff who, she says, will corroborate her claims that she has been a victim of cruelty and violence.
The names of the witnesses were contained in five pages missing from a legal document that was leaked to the media last week. They are understood to include office staff and at least one nanny employed by the former Beatle. Their names may have been deliberately shielded from publicity by whoever leaked the remaining eight pages of the document.



If the couple fail to reach a settlement, the witnesses could be compelled to provide affidavits and give evidence in the High Court.

The names of the witnesses coupled with claims yesterday that Mills, 38, has at least one tape recording of McCartney rowing with her could strengthen her case in Britain’s most high-profile marital break-up since Prince Charles and Diana, Princess of Wales.

There were claims yesterday that McCartney, 64, had withdrawn all security protection from Mills, even when she has custody of their daughter Beatrice, who is about to celebrate her third birthday. It was suggested that this might have prompted the leak of the court document by someone who believed that Mills was being unfairly treated.

McCartney’s office refused to comment, but there was no sign of security yesterday when Mills left her seafront home in Hove, East Sussex, to visit a beauty salon. Beatrice was left in the care of Mills’s personal trainer.

A friend of Mills said yesterday: “Paul removed his security men from Heather four months ago, but until nine days ago he always provided cover when Beatrice was with Heather.

“We know he doesn’t want to spoil Beatrice, but the need for security is very different from when his other daughters were children. Heather can now no longer afford her own security men.”

McCartney’s lawyers are considering going to Lord Goldsmith, the attorney-general, to ask for an official investigation into the leak of the court documents, which portray the former Beatle as a heartless, wife-beating drunk.

The attorney-general’s office has already started looking at the leak informally, but an official complaint would spur an investigation, carrying the likelihood that the police would be called in.

The Sunday Times has established that the papers leaked last week were not the same as the cross petition that was filed at the High Court on Mills’s behalf by Mishcon de Reya.

They were an earlier draft of the document which was circulated only between Mills and her legal team led by Anthony Julius, who secured a £17m settlement for Diana.

This would rule out a leak from McCartney or his legal team at Payne Hicks Beach, led by Fiona Shackleton, who represented Prince Charles in the royal divorce.

Payne Hicks Beach never had access to the document.

http://www.timesonline.co...20,00.html

And more ...

Lady McCartney's accusation doesn't go by the book
By Joanna Bale





LADY McCARTNEY returned to the offices of her lawyers, Mishcon de Reya, yesterday as it emerged that a self-help book she wrote may contradict allegations contained in leaked divorce papers that her husband abused her.



One of the more bizarre allegations contained in the leaked documents is that Sir Paul McCartney refused to allow her to get up in the morning before he was also ready. But in the book published by Lady McCartney this year she says that she regularly rises early to gain “me time”.

As the couple appear to be heading for the most public divorce in recent legal history, lawyers for Sir Paul are reported to be studying the book, Life Balance, in which she writes: “As a working wife and mother I have learnt that setting the alarm 30 minutes earlier each morning can make all the difference. It allows me a little bit of personal space before the day begins.

“I organise everything for breakfast the night before so that I can get it ready without a panic and we can eat together as a family.”

In the court papers her legal team claims: “The Petitioner [Sir Paul] refused to allow the Respondent [Lady McCartney] to get out of bed in the morning even though she would wake up early and wish to use the time for essential physiotherapy for her leg and to attend to e-mails and administrative tasks before the staff arrived or their child woke up.”

The papers are Lady McCartney’s response to Sir Paul’s petition seeking a divorce on the ground of her “unreasonable behaviour”. They were leaked to the press and accuse Sir Paul of being abusive and violent during their four-year marriage.

Sir Paul’s lawyers are also studying media interviews given by Lady McCartney, the former model Heather Mills, that appear to contradict her leaked allegations.

In the court papers, Lady McCartney complains that she was “expected to prepare two dinners every night, one for the child of the family and one for the Petitioner”, adding: “The Petitioner did not like the Respondent to be assisted in the preparation of his meals, despite her disability.”

But in an interview with Michael Parkinson in 2003, she praises her husband for “bringing me breakfast in bed every morning, no matter how he feels. And I do the dinner, so we’ve got that agreement. It’s thoughtfulness.”

In another development, it was reported yesterday that Lady McCartney hit her first husband. Her former sister-in-law, Diana Karmal, told newspapers that she saw Lady McCartney slap Alfie Karmal during a row.

It was also claimed in newspapers yesterday that Sir Paul has been consulting a psychiatrist. A source close to the musician is quoted as saying: “He has been advised to open up about his feelings as much as he can with his children and remain as upbeat as possible under the circumstances.”

If the divorce becomes a contested hearing — which is extremely rare — it would be held in public, attracting worldwide coverage.

However, the consensus among lawyers is that the allegations are not serious enough to influence any settlement.


http://www.timesonline.co...75,00.html

I say start beating her now

Sdldawn said:

Spoken like a true fan.

Betchu got those Frog Chorus bootleg mixes in your Macca collection.
[Edited 10/23/06 12:54pm]

Shapeshifter said:

Yes, this is in fact true...

http://www.theaustralian....03,00.html

Beatle's wife had posed as journalist
October 24, 2006

LONDON: The estranged wife of Paul McCartney, Heather Mills McCartney, impersonated a successful newspaper journalist in a largely failed attempt to break into the media before she met the Beatles star, it emerged yesterday.
Investigative reporter Heather Mills, who now writes for Private Eye magazine in London, said the former model had begun posing as her in the late 1990s, when the journalist was working on The Observer.

The journalist was one of several of McCartney's friends and associates who stepped in yesterday to defend the singer in his acrimonious divorce battle and to ridicule Ms Mills McCartney's claims against him made in legal documents leaked to the press.

"She pretended to be me for over a year," the journalist wrote at the weekend. "She has been accused of being a mad fantasist. Certainly posing as me for such a long time adds a new dimension to her controversial and colourful career.

"She posed as me not only to her friends but in a series of meetings with TV executives. She even showed people cuttings of stories I had written."

At the time, Ms Mills McCartney had yet to meet the Beatle or find widespread fame and was trying to establish herself as a television presenter.

The journalist said she discovered the existence of her namesake when readers began sending letters sympathising about the loss of her leg.

"I had never heard of her and had no idea why readers would think a little-known model would also be a broadsheet newspaper correspondent. At least they made an honest mistake. Heather Mills McCartney did it deliberately."

The claims by the journalist came as the animosity between the former Beatle and his estranged wife had been taken to a new level, with friends of Ms Mills McCartney claiming that she had told them that her husband had beaten his first wife, Linda.

Details of the divorce papers leaked last week were disputed point by point by Geoff Baker, a senior member of McCartney's staff for 15 years.

"To brand Paul a wife-beater is the most absurd f..king claim anyone can make," he said. "I was with them for four years when she says a lot of this took place. I never saw him lay a finger on her or abuse her. Her allegations are outrageous lies. It is pure wickedness."

Mr Baker said the couple had seemed happy and "very much in love" during the singer's US tour in November 2002, when it is alleged that he grabbed his wife's neck and threw her over a coffee table. He added that none of the 198-strong entourage witnessed signs of problems between the newlyweds.

He was also astonished at the claim that McCartney had beaten Linda. "It's the most ridiculous thing I've ever heard in my life," he said. "Everyone knows that Paul and Linda had one of the happiest marriages in showbusiness."

I DON'T BELIEVE THIS... why would Paul first wife stay with him until the day she died.... if he was that cruel...


This woman is CRAZY... she seems like the type that would lie about Paul

TotalAlisa said:

She once claimed that it was difficult to run away from him when he was beating her with her own leg.

Illustrator said:

Shapeshifter said:

never heard them... but i wish he would beat her up, and throw them in the mixes

i'd buy them

beat that ho

Didnt she also make an S&M video? I mean, shit, if that's the case, and he did in fact beat her (which I seriously doubt because she seems genuinely crazy) then I would think she would LIKE it! Am I wrong?