Happy to have a friendly disagreement with you, and you're right that The Truth is an (unsung) near masterpiece.

That said, NPGSoul may have its many detractors, but I think three of its songs are among the best he's ever written - Wasted Kisses (his darkest, creepiest song), Come On (virtually the last "sex" song he wrote) and The One.

Rave Un2/Rave In2 had its moments (and a glorious one in Beautiful Strange).

As for The Rainbow Children, I think it's his last great album to date.

Post-Xpectation he has been coasting though, I agree. His last three albums have been dull by his standards.

Shapeshifter said:

No way!

Shapeshifter said:

Sure is.



Tuneless, offensive, self-serving mess. Nothing but a vanity project.

Offensive, yes, in part. Self-serving ... No. They were his three Dylan "born again" albums rolled into one - although the Dylan ones were way better. SNOOZE was a vanity project.



I actually think Musicology and 3121, though far from great, were a step in the right direction.

Shapeshifter said:

You still haven't shown any articles/links to back up your bonham accusations; they do not seem to be on the net which is very unusual for these sorts of things.

Cloudbuster said:

If you can call treading water a step ....

Shapeshifter said:

Yeah, I hear you, but it's not so much about that. He just needed to get his foot back in the door and he's managed to do that with Musicology and 3121. They're nothing special, just straight forward pop albums, each with a few decent tunes.
It's what he needed, else he'd have fallen completely from view, and he deserves better than that.

mikek1 said:

Oh, this again - for the last time, I told you where to look and what to look for, genius. I'm not doing your spadework for you. And I wasn't the one making the accusations. Nick Kent was. I was merely reporting them. And I believe him, because if you ever read his Brian Wilson and Stones pieces from The Dark Stuff, you won't quite see those guys in the same light again. Now get busy and stop cutting and pasting crap rap lyrics.

Anyway, drunk vicious deranged brute is the commonly held perception of what Bonham was like away from his drums. Plenty of people have said that about him.
[Edited 10/19/06 3:51am]

Shapeshifter said:

You still haven't shown any articles/links to back up your bonham accusations; they do not seem to be on the net which is very unusual for these sorts of things.

Shapeshifter said:

what's wrong with you; why are you so hostile?
i'm just trying to have a discussion with you and obtain some info i was unaware of.

see wilson/stones in a bad or good light becuase i'm not a huge fan?

mikek1 said:

Right, genius, track this article interview with Nick Kent down ....

NME June 4 1994 – Oasis / Lush / The Orb / Nine Inch Nails / Vapourspace / Nick Kent

I don't have it, I'm not going to find it for you, but I remember reading it and thinking "WTF".

Shapeshifter said:

it's not on the net.
what did it say?

Oh, Jeeeeez .... Are you trying to wind me up? Ok, remember what we talked about yesterday, how I told you Nick Kent said - in an NME interview - that Bonzo tried to rape a teenage girl backstage? It's in that interview.

plz stop insulting me; this is a forum to discusss music; let's do that with no probs, o.k

Wise words ...

another bite in the ass to make you open your effing eyes properly the next time you're doin your Pre-nup

PricelessHo said:

seriously,these guys need to be careful before they just jump into a marriage.I'm no fan of P.Diddy,but I gotta give him credit.He is smart enough to NOT get married.He is protecting his fortune.Paul was stupid enough to get married without having a pre-nup.Next time,he will know better.

I guess 1 bn $$$ is enough to destroy any sense of realism

SoulAlive said:

He said "it wasn't romantic", and he certainly didn't have a pre-nup when he married Linda. He probably had faith that the marriage would last. Bruce Springsteen didn't have a pre-nup when he married Julianne Philipps either. Cost him $10 million.

Paul McCartney - Wife Beater

Has anyone here even stop to notice that these allegations of abuse were printed in the London Daily Mirror? It's one of those tabloids that make the National Enquirer look like the New York Times. I'm sure that they had their problems, but I would take all of this info with a grain of salt unless this gets published in the public record and picked up by thesmokinggun.com.

Is that available in organic cotton?

Nearly every genius is violent; especially to women;
lennon
hendrix
axl rose
keith moon
slash
john bonham
Big pun
jay z
kool g rap
Notorious b.i.g
james brown
miles davis
charles mingus
marvin gaye
jackie wilson
r.kelly

mikek1 said:

Okay, you MUST have needed some names...cause I only see a FEW that'id consider GENIUS' You would've been better off sayin "entertainers" don't cha think ???

stopHATING said:

Give the guy a break. I've already handed him his ass three times over this.

Shapeshifter said:

Sorry , I didin't see that ! That list made me start typing right away.
Great Post , btw.

another bite in the ass to make you open your effing eyes properly the next time you're doin your Pre-nup

somebody should alert the British press he used to be friends with Michael Jackson. Then he'd really be screwed!

PricelessHo said:

That's what boggles my mind. I thought Sir Paul was smarter than that. A guy with his loot has to protect himself - WTF was he thinking? P---y makes guys do the dumbest sh!t. She must have snappin' gyro between her legs.

All he owes her is child support but he'll end up paying for her lifestyle even though she didn't contribute to his success. Where're her f-n songs?

Somebody explain to me the benefits of marriage?