Isel said: Shapeshifter said: Full props to her for reinventing herself so completely - and, musically, successfully up until and including TVR. She seems to have run out of ideas and options now though. I didn't know that about Eric. Wow... He seems to be really fascinated with the blues. I really love his Robert Johnson cd. Ah that's disappointing about Eric. Plus he was a huge fan of Stevie Ray- to the point where he thought Stevie was so much better than he as a guitarist. Here it is, from Wikipedia:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eric_Clapton#Controversy [edit] Controversy In 1976, Clapton was the centre of controversy and accusations of racism, when he spoke out against increasing immigration during a concert in Birmingham. He commented that England had "...become overcrowded...that England sells itself as the "land of milk and honey" only to turn around and stick its invited immigrants into low paying labour jobs, living in substandard conditions..." Clapton also voiced his support of controversial political candidate Enoch Powell, making references to "a black colony." As a result, it would be a full decade before Clapton was welcome to play in Birmingham again.[citation needed] These comments (along with equally controversial remarks and actions by other artists, such as David Bowie and Siouxsie Sioux) led to the creation of the Rock Against Racism movement in the UK. Despite his controversial stance, Clapton has not made any notable effort to distance himself from the remarks and has denied there was any contradiction between his political views and his career based on an essentially black musical form. In an interview with Q magazine he defended his position, saying it wasn't racist but instead borne of concern that "...ghettoes would spring up all over England, which they have done."[citation needed] However, in a later interview, although not fully retracting the remarks, he attributed them to his inebriation at the time, a product of his much-publicised alcoholism. According to an article in The Independent (London) on March 22, 2004 entitled "Why they're rocking against racism again"[1]: Some see the current climate as similar to the situation prevailing when Rock Against Racism began in late 1976 [...] A somewhat inebriated Eric Clapton, then considered very much part of the old guard, at a concert in Birmingham, told the audience that the politician Enoch Powell — infamous for his "rivers of blood" speech opposing mass immigration — was right and that Britain was "overcrowded". [...] A sheepish Clapton was later reported to have explained that he was angry because an "Arab" had felt his wife's bottom. In the late 1980s Clapton added four black musicians to his band, bassist Nathan East, keyboardist Greg Phillinganes, drummer Steve Ferrone and backing singer Katie Kissoon. Whilst Clapton had previously played and recorded with many black musicians (including Buddy Guy, BB King and Robert Cray), and had appeared alongside performers of varying ethnicities at collaborative events (such as The Concert for Bangla Desh), this was the first time Clapton had been in a band in which the official members were not all Caucasian. Clapton has also dated supermodel Naomi Campbell (who is of Afro-Jamaican heritage)[2] and has a home in Antigua, which is populated almost exclusively by people of African descent.[3] Yeah. Bob... But see people are critical of him. Sure, they are. Sometimes with reason. But those same people who threw rocks at him then are the same people praising him now. I don't know. I feel badly for Janet--even though she's a multi-millionaire who is going to be just fine. It's just sad when an artist has to go through this. Then again, she might actually grow as a result of all of this professional turmoil. We'll just have to wait and see. We'll see about that. Madonna has taken some bad hits in her time, but has managed to get back on top by a). reinventing herslf (her forte, a la Bowie), but b). by also remaining relvant by working with different producers. Janet's biggest and most negative change since Renee was out of the picture was to bring in Troll Lil'Prick, who basically tried to remake Janet in the same way he did Mariah. Very different artists with very different abilities. It was a bit like Clive Davis trying to do a Santana on Prince. Golden parachute ... There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently | |
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LOL...I didn't read this whole thread,but how the hell did we get into a discussion about Eric Clapton?? | |
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SoulAlive said: LOL...I didn't read this whole thread,but how the hell did we get into a discussion about Eric Clapton??
Way of the Org, mate. Threads evolve into tapestries where the original thread is lost. There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently | |
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Shapeshifter said: SoulAlive said: LOL...I didn't read this whole thread,but how the hell did we get into a discussion about Eric Clapton??
Way of the Org, mate. Threads evolve into tapestries where the original thread is lost. apparently | |
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SoulAlive said: LOL...I didn't read this whole thread,but how the hell did we get into a discussion about Eric Clapton??
I did it! I brought-up Eric. Wow... I didn't know about Eric!!! OMG... He's a mess!!! That's just horrible. Wow... he's full of contradictions, isn't he? The only thing is maybe he was talking about how immigrants being exploited? But boy... he sure made a mess of that one. | |
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Isel said: SoulAlive said: LOL...I didn't read this whole thread,but how the hell did we get into a discussion about Eric Clapton??
I did it! I brought-up Eric. Wow... I didn't know about Eric!!! OMG... He's a mess!!! That's just horrible. Wow... he's full of contradictions, isn't he? The only thing is maybe he was talking about how immigrants being exploited? But boy... he sure made a mess of that one. It's all sheryl crow's fault! | |
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SoulAlive said: Isel said: I don't know. I feel badly for Janet--even though she's a multi-millionaire who is going to be just fine. It's just sad when an artist has to go through this. Then again, she might actually grow as a result of all of this professional turmoil. We'll just have to wait and see.
She should look at this as a wake-up call.After two flop albums in a row,it's time for a change.She is at a career crossroads.She needs to grow,evolve and re-invent herself.People are no longer interested in her boobs or her sexuality,she's gotta offer something more. Her Virgin contract has ended,she is now in a position to make a fresh new start elsewhere.She should sign a new record deal and get back into the studio and make an amazing,knock-em-dead album that presents her as a serious,dedicated artist with something meaningful to say! If she makes another sex-themed R&B album,she may as well kiss her career goodbye.Nobody wants to hear that anymore. Great post! | |
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wonder505 said: SoulAlive said: She should look at this as a wake-up call.After two flop albums in a row,it's time for a change.She is at a career crossroads.She needs to grow,evolve and re-invent herself.People are no longer interested in her boobs or her sexuality,she's gotta offer something more. Her Virgin contract has ended,she is now in a position to make a fresh new start elsewhere.She should sign a new record deal and get back into the studio and make an amazing,knock-em-dead album that presents her as a serious,dedicated artist with something meaningful to say! If she makes another sex-themed R&B album,she may as well kiss her career goodbye.Nobody wants to hear that anymore. Great post! I don’t know if she’s going to actually ‘get it’ though. Sex sells and it’s ‘they’ who ask her to strip down for those lay outs and covers. She’s constantly being told she looks good and is a natural exhibitionist. It seems that fans of Janet are divided by 20YO under these headings: A. Bad marketing of a hot product B. Bad product from a hot mess Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off | |
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JackieBlue said: wonder505 said: Great post! I don’t know if she’s going to actually ‘get it’ though. Sex sells and it’s ‘they’ who ask her to strip down for those lay outs and covers. She’s constantly being told she looks good and is a natural exhibitionist. It seems that fans of Janet are divided by 20YO under these headings: A. Bad marketing of a hot product B. Bad product from a hot mess C. Janet should have adopted someone from Africa! | |
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On a positive note, 20 YO is doing very well in Japan. So Excited hit #1 recently on the Tokyo Hot 100. Janet is over there now promoting. | |
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MikeMatronik said: JackieBlue said: I don’t know if she’s going to actually ‘get it’ though. Sex sells and it’s ‘they’ who ask her to strip down for those lay outs and covers. She’s constantly being told she looks good and is a natural exhibitionist. It seems that fans of Janet are divided by 20YO under these headings: A. Bad marketing of a hot product B. Bad product from a hot mess C. Janet should have adopted someone from Africa! dayum... That was funny! Well, it was good to adopt someone from Africa, cause everyone knows there aint no poor kids in Detroit. Or England. Some people tell me I've got great legs... | |
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