JackieBlue said:

The only thing I can say to this, is that Janet must have Jermaine WHIPPED like nobody's business, because very time you turn around that brotha is resigning some powerful post or other in protest of how his woman is being treated over something; I mean, I don't know what it is, first he resigns as the head from NARAS (Atlanta) and now this? That girl's private parts must be made of KRYPTONITE!

...oh well, let me not HATE

wonder505 said:

I completely disagree.Janet should dump Jam and Lewis asap! Those guys used to be great producers,but it's obvious that they have run out of ideas.Their new music is just as tedious as the crap that the younger producers are coming up with.Janet needs to get away from them.She needs to get out of her R&B comfort zone,try some new beats,and evolve.After the Super Bowl fiasco,she really needed to bring the goods this time.She needed to use the heavy artillery.But what does she do? She releases yet another sex-themed R&B album,with songs that sound like Ciara and Ashanti.I'm not surprised that her CD has flopped.

sallysassalot said:

what is it they say..."three strikes you're out"? She's had two flop albums in a row,so she is definitely at a crossroads.She can't keep doing the same thing over and over.She's gotta re-invent herself.

I don't know if this was already posted in the thread, but JD has denied this story. I don't have a link or anything, but apparently he denied it during a radio interview??

Ottensen said:

I agree and it would be a sad sight if she were the one to dump HIM after all of this.

CandaceS said:

It's true. Older artist should cater to the fans that adored them in their hey day. I don't get all of this cater to the teenybopper thing either. The teenyboppers don't want to listen to them. But you got some folks that think they can garner new fans after 20 or more years. Yeah you can get some.

I wish artists like Janet and Prince would just do what they do best and not try to be hip to the younger audience. They are going to get it or not. Someone mentioned that Madonna is doing well on Adult COntemporary even though her music is geared for the dance crowd.

Tessa said:

We can only dare to dream. Hater-ish as it may be to wish ill against a couple's romance, but a part of me is rooting for this pair to detonate already.

Tessa said:

all i'm saying is "jump," "forbidden love," "push," and "like it or not" would have been better singles.

sallysassalot said:

whatever you're smoking i want some.

badujunkie said:

i guess...but i'm certain i've heard jump more than get together. releasing get together killed the momentum of the record. hung up was huge, sorry was huge, then get together came out and slam! right into a wall.

but whatever. who really cares.

I LOVE JJ... but i dont think the general populations likes her... right now she is in an unpopular period.... and the sad thing is... this is one of her best albums....

Im listening to it right now... and i just love it

TotalAlisa said:

I don't know if it's one of her best albums as far as my opinion, but it's good--and definitely deserves more respect than it's getting. So I agree with you about this being a bad time for her as far as the general public is concerned.

Yeah... she would need something that's not necessarily "good" ( good being a matter of taste), but at least something that the general public can connect in spite of the fact that she's 40. How old are Gwen and Mariah? They certainly can't be that much younger than Janet. Gwen is what 36 or something?

sallysassalot said:

Push, I think would've been a good single. Forbidden Love and Like It Or Not? no way, jose. Get Together is dance pop perfection (as is Jump)

sallysassalot said:

Sorry really wasn't huge at all.

Isel said:

Gwen and mariah are maybe 3 years younger.... but Gwen looks 26 and mariah looks 39... trying to look 21...
so they are basically janet's age... so i dont think it has anything to do with age... because look at madonna... i think its because of the superbowl.

TotalAlisa said:

Yeah.... Whatever the reason, it's just a bummer.

Tessa said:

Not to totally hijack ANOTHER JJ thread with M but...ok here it is about COAD:

COAD, being mostly a pop dance record, needed a completely different single release schedule. It would have sold 3 million by now if Madonna/WBR hadn't totally dropped the ball. IMHO "Hung Up" was a great first single and top ten hit, but "Push" would've had the MOST crossover appeal on Clear Channel--I mean POP radio of ANY of the tracks on the record. It should have gone this way:

1. "Hung Up"
2. "Push"
3. "Jump" (Should've been pushed more with "Devil Wears Prada")
4. "Sorry" (THIS should have been the one to be pushed at Hot AC first)
5. "Get Together" (Clubs ONLY)

Call me crazy, this would have been way better.

As far as 20 Y.O.:

1. "With U"
2. "Do it 2 Me"
3. "Call on Me"
4. "Show Me"

I'm not a huge fan of "Show Me" but I think it would work as a single. The first two choices were not good ones. "So Excited," though a great dance record, has no melody. The Khia hook is strong, but there is nothing memorable about Janet's part of the song. Leading off with a mid tempo song with Nelly SCREAMED desperation, even though I also like that song. IMO "With U" would've been a huge, unpredicatble return from Miss Jackson and it has a very strong melody. It reminds of me something like a female version of a smash slow jam along the lines of Usher and R. Kelly.

That's my 2 cents.

badujunkie said:

AGREE

badujunkie said:

nah...i definitely think hung up followed by sorry was a perfect one-two punch. push as a third single would have been a smart move and, yes, jump should have been pushed more with devil wear's prada.

as for janet...

i think a smooth track like enjoy would have been the best track to debut the record with. not only is it laid back, smooth, and fun a la that's the way love goes, but its also a nice answer to all the super bowl talk. follow that with show me (its an obvious throwback to nasty) right before the record's release and i think she would have had a hit. so excited is a good 3rd or 4th single, and this body could be fun as single.

i don't know what virgin was thinking by kicking things off with call on me and following it up with so excited.

sallysassalot said:

I'm talking commercially. I think she got away with having the lead single a Euro pop dance track because she's Madonna and it was insanely catchy. But two dance singles in a row didn't help much. "Sorry" peaked at 58. That's not good business. She needed a hit on radio, badly, and "Push" would have been it. It could have been an "It's Like that" followed by "We belong together" scenario--one comeback song that got her back SOME radio airplay and then a commercial juggernaut crossover to follow. But no. No one at Warner in America knew what to do with COAD. It's just the loyaltly of the fans and the MTV/iTunes/radio play of "Hung Up" that got the album to sell 1.5 million over here.

Quit? More like fired for God's sake.

He should learn to keep that ego down and take responsibility for the LP's overall low quality rather than pointing fingers.

From what i've read it was HIM who refused any input from the lable to this project and took it upon himself to supervise the work, and that's the result, An LP with a mere 2 good songs and loads of recycled fillers.

I do admit JD's a very talented head but he needs someone on the same page with him musically to spark with, which obviously wasn't Janet and he should've learned that from her collabo with Kanye West who was on high demand then and yet he couldn't add anything to her.

Janet was meant for JJ & TL

sallysassalot said:

I agree,"Push" would have done well as a single.It's a funky,R&B-sounding track,sounding alot like something Beyonce would sing.I think it has alot of commercial appeal,especially here in the States.It's funny though,most fans seem to dislike this song.On the Madonna boards,I used to argue that it would make a great single and they all said I was crazy,lol.But,the thing is,"Push" would have appealed to many people outside of her fanbase,and that's really how a single becomes a hit.

"Forbidden Love" and "Like It Or Not" as singles? I love both songs,but I can tell you that those songs would have flopped as singles,at least here in the States.For the most part,I am pleased with the singles that were chosen.But I definitely would have found a way to release "Push" as a single.

Janet at this point in her career shouldn't be trying to aim for the MTV crowd anyway or BET's 106 and Park crowd either. (And for that matter, neither should Prince, MJ, Madonna, Mariah or Gwen Stefani, though Mariah and Gwen got lucky last time out). They should be aiming for an older crowd by going on VH1 and by doing the TV soundtrack route. There's no way that Janet is going to get any airplay on MTV between all the teeny-bop acts and the reality shows. She can get some airplay on VH1, but what she should have done was to try to push her songs to get played as theme music for scenes in "Grey's Anatomy" or "Nip/Tuck" or some other widely-watched primetime TV show. That's what U2 and John Mayer were doing earlier (going the CSI route) and that's what got Anna Nalick and the Fray discovered in the first place. Going on Oprah was actually a good move for Janet, but she needed to follow up that with something for the older fans instead of begging for the teenyboppers.

JackieBlue said:

mmm this might have nothing to do with the album just being a bad album? just not good?? Why blame others, they must blame themselves for saddling the world up with another poor album! I used to like some of Janet's songs but she's history

I hope he QUITS the music business 4 good.

Damn, does everyone in the Jackson family molest children?

vainandy said:

SoulAlive said:

you know, sometimes i get the feeling that the Madonna fans on message boards (the ones devoted strictly to her, anyway), are often fairly recent fans. or ones that got into her via remixes played in the clubs.

they have a much different view of her history and strengths than the long-time, real die-hards do. that's why i don't post on those pages. i'm flabbergasted by their opinions of what the core of Madonna's music's appeal is.

vainandy said:

You may have a point there, not that i believe Mike did that, but the casual record buyer isn't me, and they may be put off any new Janet product for that very reason (Her bro').

Ironically, i bet MJ's new album will outsell anything Janet does though. Easily.

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[Edited 10/19/06 14:25pm]

Tessa said:

why don't you elaborate on that?