JackieBlue said:

or like prince fans.

sallysassalot said:

worst fans, in descending order:


1. MJ
2. Janet
3. Prince
4. Madonna

Tessa said:

its hard for me to compare. i only know of my experience here and everytime i've advanced even the smallest level of criticism prince's way, people have jumped down my throat. i rarely even go to the prince forum here.

sallysassalot said:

Same reason why I don't go in the Prince forum and even though I'm a Madonna fan I rarely discuss her here for similar reasons. So I'd flip the bottom 2.

JackieBlue said:

Jackie, you should just be more of a hardass, you know? Give as good as you get and then back up and give 'em some more. Never slap what you can stab, shoot, bomb and build a parking lot over. That's my motto.

sallysassalot said:

I'm surprised at that. I've rubbished his last three albums and only had some NPGMC refugee accusing me blasphemy. You know why? Because Prince's last three albums have been of questionable quality - although none (even SNOOZE) has been the overdose of sleeping pills and laxative 20 YO is.

Shapeshifter said:

ok. now i know you're just dogging janet. there is no way in hades you really find news to be a better listen than 20 Y.O. sorry, you can say it, but i don't believe you're saying it for anything other than reaction.

news is ridiculous.

Shapeshifter said:

The Prince Forum is like that new game show 1 vs 100. I don't think I have the energy.

Come on.let's make this thread bigger than the tori ones!

Tessa said:

Where's Mariah? Anyways, all fanbases of major pop stars have their share of loons. But honestly, i've seen objectivity on all forums of these particular stars, except MJ. I've never been on an MJ forum where they discussed the possibility of plastic surgery, or maybe a not so good song. He is picture perfect to his fans.

sallysassalot said:

Sally, I played SNOOZE five times, desperately trying to a), like it and when that happened, b). to hear prince's secret message between the grooves - "HTee-Hee-Hee! you sucker'll buy anything, right?"

I played 20 YO three times and didn't like it once.

JackieBlue said:

You should hang out on P & R. You get personal hate mail then too.

Well... I haven't sent any "hatemail" in regard to what I've read on the forum. Now I've responded to "hatemail" I received for some of my opinions. And I've responded publicly to personal attacks agains me on the forum for having an opinion. But that's about it.

But to be quite frank, I'm not interested in sending "hatemail" in response to someone not being a fan of Janet, Prince or whomever. It really ain't all that serious. I don't care if someone doesn't agree with me. Why should I? I'm going to buy or support--like or dislike-- whomever.

I really don't think anyone here in the Non-Music section lacks objectivity.
Now, on forums for specific artists, well yeah... those forums are in support OF THE ARTIST, so I would expect fans to be more "sensitive." The bummer is when a fan doesn't agree with the positive majority--then at one point when does that fanship become a a thing of the past? As difficult as it is sometimes, I have to agree with the fans because at one point, if a person can only bitch about an artist--not finding anything positive to say, then why even participate on a fan site to begin with? It's sad.. because obviously internet "friendships" are made in support of artists; however, they are broken to a certain extent in support or in favor of the artist as well. I guess that's the the nature of the sites.

jayaredee said:

the Janet fans have been pretty bad, unless maybe they've gotten a little better or wised up some since i got kicked off the Miss Janet mailing list for daring to contemplate that Janet and Rene were married (before the story broke) and that perhaps she was depressed because things weren't working out between them. or that it's pretty ridiculous to go into depression at 30 because a teacher said you gave her the wrong answer when you were 6 (paraphrasing from the 1997 Oprah interview).

almost on page 6....let's beat the tori threads!

Tessa said:

Well did you say all of that stuff on a Janet website? With all due respect, if you did, what exactly did you expect after calling Janet ridiculous? That's a judgment call. How would a friend of yours respond if you called him or her ridiculous for having a feeling--a reaction about a certain situation? What might be ridiculous to you or me is very serious to someone else. Plus as children, we remember things in a exaggerated way. As far as Janet is concerned, maybe the situation upset her as a child, but as an adult, she would not have been as affected. Depression--well some people look at depression as a weakness. So once again, fans are going to become defensive.

I really think on a fansite of a specific artist, many people feel like these artists are family. There is a personal connection. As a result, they respond personally--as if a family member had been attacked. People aren't interested in objective discussion: most fans join sites to celebrate their "idols" not criticize them-or even offer constructive advice or observations. Believe me, I've been called a hater for expressing an honest concern or opinion many, many times. But the same thing has happened in real life as well. I don't think fansites are much different. Sometimes criticism is hard to take. And for sure when it's offered in an unconstructive or pejorative manner, well people are more quick to become defensive and argumentative. To say a person's feelings are ridiculous-- that just doesn't leave a lot open for discussion. To say a artist's music is shit, well that doesn't leave a lot of room for discussion either.

Shapeshifter said:

IM talking about the Velvet rope album and the Janet album... the classic 90's Janet... NOT the 80's Janet...


whats so crappy about 20 Y.O... what songs are crappy and please explain why tehy sound so crappy... Please... do..

PLEASE THIS IS FOR EVERYONE...
what songs on the album 20 Y.O that you think are crappy and please explain why they sound "so bad"....

CALL ON ME and SO EXCITED... can not be included with your list of crappy songs off the album... IMO they are the weakest songs ont he album...

I would like for you guys to briefly explain why you Do NOT like songs on the album that has NOT been released...

Please and thank you

Shapeshifter said:

The fact that you just included All 4 U in the same category as the four classics ruins your Janet credibility.

Isel said:

Yeah, but that kind of thinking in nuts, IMO. These artists aren't "family" - they don't know us, we don't know them personally and never will. It's silly to get all upset because someone has the audacity to speak their mind and goof on your favorite celebrity(like the Michael Jackson Org Mafia). Those are "fanatics" not fans.

I'm a fan of Prince the musician, and that's it. I don't know what he's really like and I'm not sure I want to. I could care less about his personal life - I have my own sh!t to worry about.

Tessa said:

I love all the artists and hate all their [ignorant and fanatical] fans

You get it with every major big selling act though. It's almost on the scale of sci-fi nerds.

jayaredee said:

We are a humble few, but check my sig link

uPtoWnNY said:

The word "fan" is just an abbreviated version of the word "fanatic." So it's the same thing.

I agree with you about fans sending hatemail and stuff, for example, or even resorting to personal attacks against a person is a extreme to say the least, but then again if a person states on a fansite that a cd is shit or other dismissive type statements, there is simply no room for discussion. It's like why would a person go to a fansite to discuss how bad the artists and/or his/her product are? So does that person just want to "connect" with other fans that hold the same negative opinion? That's fine,butmore than likely, there aren't going to be many people who going to have similar views. And even if there are, there will be a number of people who flat-out disagree. To me, making statements like that is just inflammatory. I'm not suggesting a fan doesn't have the "right" to voice his/her negative opinion--or at least the opportunity. But then, again, particularly if the opinion is just completely dismissive, simplistic, and derogatory, other fans are going to become defensive. That reaction should be the expectation-not necessarily a surprise. So I don't think it's all about fans being delusional either.

Believe me, I've offered criticisms that I think are constructive and been called a hater. It bothers me but then in all fairness to fans, if I can't really offer anything other than criticism--if I can't bring something positive or optimistiic to a site, too, then I'm no longer a fan. Why constantly go to a fansite to bitch? That doesn't make any sense. If I'm a fan of an artist, there has to be something other than criticism I can offer--something positive to say. I'm just suggesting that it's not always fans who go overboard in defense of their idol: other fans(??) seem to go overboard in their criticism. So it works both ways.
[Edited 10/23/06 5:06am]

Tessa said:

Tessa, I don't think anything you said was too bad. I felt the exact same way about her and Rene and the depression during that time. Fans did NOT want to believe she and Rener were married. How dare she without telling us??? Please. Anyway, people get very worked up. I'm not sure if it's age or a combination of age and fanatic tendencies but what's the point in having a message board when the only thing you can discuss is how great the artist is and how you worship them? Being critical is not bashing, discussing possibilites, dislikes or wanting the artist to move out of a certain image or style is not bashing. If you can't talk about that then who should you talk to? Some people may be harsh in their delivery on poke fun along the way but ultimately people are interested or care or at least use to and that's why there's a discussion in the first place.

Tessa said:

I got kicked off that mailing list in 1998 for daring to suggest that Madonna's Ray of Light was a good album

And I hated that example she gave in that Oprah interview. I remember sniggering when she said that.
[Edited 10/23/06 5:31am]

JackieBlue said:

I'm just suggesting that on a FANSITE, there are going to be people who VEHEMENTLY disagree, period. And remember, the fansites are owned and operated by FANS, so they are going eventually ban people who cause "drama" from their perspective.

And this is something else... It seems that neither you nor Tessa are big fans of Janet anymore--which is fine. I'm not so sure I'm even a big fan of Janet's anymore. I may have finally outgrown her even though I have a real sentimental attachment because she represents a time in my youth. So I haven't been as active on Janet sites this era because I really can't contribute a whole lot that is positive: I see more that I don't like than what I do from a lot of different angles, then there is just some criticism that is all a matter of taste.

It's difficult in a way because I became involved during the DJ era and made some acquaintances. I've voice my opinion and criticisms. But at one point, hey everyone knows how I feel. So why keep going back to post the same thing over and over again? That's all I'm saying. A person has to look at things from a fan's perspective, too.

In other words, I've left before I become unwelcomed, ya know? My little opinions aren't going to change Janet because obviously Janet is going to do what she wants. She's heard the same criticism for years now. So the only people my opinions are impacting are the fans--and there are those who really love Janet--whether I have that same kind of love for any celebrity or not. So I can't bring those people down.
[Edited 10/23/06 5:46am]

Well this is where I think a level of maturity comes in. For all the artist I enjoy I've only regularly posted on one fan board in my life and that was an MJ board. There, everyone was complete and utter garbage except for Michael and his family.

There’s always a double-standard. Don’t talk bad about 'my artist' but they’re quick to be insulting to someone else. Especially if someone else is currently more successful than their deity. That's the hilarious part and it happens here all the time.

If all fans like all things all the time at the same time—-well that sounds a lot like a cult.

JackieBlue said:

Yep... well you're sure correct about that.

That's why I like it here because I really think people are objective for the most part. Even with the hatemail I received, people were just angry. It's like at least there is a dialogue. Well that's been my experience.

Yeah this is one of the better spots I've been to and aren't as smug and cynical as another board I use to like. I lurked on here for awhile before deciding to join. But sending out hatemail and banning people from mailing lists is ridiculous. That's on the level of 'wait till afterschool' type stuff.

We are having many madonna and janet threads...I'm regreting starting some of them