CynicKill said:

Now see.....I could NOT have said this any better myself. I agree 100%.

JackieBlue said:

and that's what's so frustrating about Janet.It almost seems as if she doesn't really want to be an "artist".She seems content to be the sex kitten pop singer.On 'Rhythm Nation',she was thinking some serious thoughts and singing some serious songs.But now,she just seems lazy and uninspired.'20 Y/O' could have been the new Ciara album.There's nothing distinctive about it.

Janet is # 9 on Billboard/ Soundscan

1 EVANESCENCE OPEN DOOR 447,342 999 1,388 448,946
2 KILLERS SAM'S TOWN 314,788 999 698 315,874
3 STRAIT*GEORGE IT JUST COMES NATURAL 232,080 999 413 232,752
4 BENNETT*TONY DUETS: AMERICAN 128,228 -36 201,536 330,634
5 TIMBERLAKE*JUSTIN FUTURESEX 115,943 -21 146,854 1,177,062
6 LUDACRIS RELEASE THERAPY 112,611 -64 309,284 422,420
7 BECK INFORMATION 99,481 999 170 99,678
8 MONICA MAKINGS OF ME 92,784 999 148 92,935
9 JACKSON*JANET 20 Y.O. 77,240 -74 296,278 374,113
10 HINDER EXTREME BEHAVIOR 76,098 -1 76,997 896,056

11 JACKSON*ALAN LIKE RED ON A ROSE 74,922 -50 148,503 223,518
12 MAYER*JOHN CONTINUUM 72,017 -21 91,320 597,868
13 FERGIE DUTCHESS 56,368 -24 73,758 288,378
14 NICKELBACK ALL THE RIGHT REASONS 55,809 1 55,073 3,705,248
15 BEYONCE B'DAY 54,164 -18 65,782 918,002
16 JET SHINE ON 51,104 999 47 51,163
17 FRAY HOW TO SAVE A LIFE 44,288 -7 47,484 988,296
18 SEGER*BOB FACE THE PROMISE 42,195 -22 53,763 315,540
19 YANKOVIC*WEIRD AL STRAIGHT 39,486 -46 72,600 112,208
20 AIKEN*CLAY THOUSAND DIFFERENT WAYS 39,217 -47 74,053 324,983

newpower99 said:

that's better. I think the problem is they chose the wrong single to lead off the album with, if they chose the next singles wisely it will turn around

shortstuff45220 said:

I wouldn't call it better but that's about what I predict. Never go off Hitsdoubeldays numbers. They give you a rough idea, though. Not very good but she outsold Aiken, at least and in less time! Outsold Fergie too, even with her Clear Channel humps! Baring some real promotion and a hit single, the album will probably sell less than DJ! What are you going to do? I agree that even though I don't see Jimmy and Terry as a huge problem (the problem on this album is rather...small), I think if she found a young producer and/or songwriter (or a few) that she would be back on track. I think real fans could actually do wonders producing Janet!
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Janet will be fine. In comparison, The Velvet Rope started off very slow and ended up selling over 6 million copies worldwide. Janet is just happy making music for the fans and is not paranoid over chart stats. For someone to have been in the game over 20 years and to have not only a top 10 pop album for 2 weeks plus a #1 R&B album is impressive IMO. Heck, Lionel Richie couldn't do that now. So Excited (just been added to pop radio and MTV), a third single, re-release, and tour will keep Janet in the public eye for awhile. Just sit back and enjoy.

They need to release With U toute' suite. It could have the effect that We Beloing Together had on Mariah's album sales (and to a lesser extent, MJB's Cant Be Without You). Even if it is autumn and it's a spring song.

janet is doing just fine. Do you remember when "my love is your love" debuted at #13????

COM is still getting mad airplay and SEX is gaining slowly..


JANET FANS DON'T WORRY.....

JANET HATERZ DON'T GET EXCITED YET.....

mancabdriver said:

funny...i wonder where you would place me, out of those two choices.

I don't understand all the folks who are saying promotion wasn't ON POINT this time around.

Janet and her team have been plugging 20 Y.O. for MONTHS. Relentlessly. You'd have to live under a rock to not know she has a new album out.

--an OPRAH appearance the fucking DAY before the release
--a TODAY SHOW concert the same WEEK
--FOUR MONTHS' worth of magazine covers: UsWeekly (their biggest seller ever), Vibe, King, Giant, FHM, Ebony, et al
--already TWO videos airing on BET and VH1 not to mention all over the internet
--LOCAL NEWS CONFERENCES in all the major cities of the U.S. over the summer surrounding the album and her personal life
--tireless promo on MYSPACE

I don't see how they fucked up on promotion at all.

I don't call a 74% drop in sales "doing fine", I call it tanking. At this rate it'll be out of the 20 by next week.

badujunkie said:

so i guess the only option left is that people just don't like Janet Jackson anymore

mancabdriver said:

Ok, JD. See you next week, when it's at 22 with concrete boots.
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sallysassalot said:

i dunno. who the hell are you?

SoulAlive said:

You are absolutely right. If the album had been another Janet, Velvet Rope, Control or RN who would have given a fuck about Justittygate and her last crap album? Trouble is the new album's Damita Jo outtakes with that squealing troll thumbprints all over it.

VinnyM27 said:

I'll recommend you for the job.

Shapeshifter said:

eerrr TVR was a slower start for Janet than 20YO and GTIG was less successful than COM..

so maybe people need time to absorb the album in order to appreciate it.

mancabdriver said:

its just funny that if someone offers criticism they are dubbed a "hater" as opposed to someone who is genuinely interested in her music.

sallysassalot said:

Ok you carry on laughing to yourself

Does everyone have to be over analytical on this site? I wasn't necessary talking about anyone, I don't even know anyone

mancabdriver said:

hey...its just music.

sallysassalot said:

yes exactly. So place yourself as a janet hater or lover or in between, it really has little concern to me.

SoulAlive said:

VinnyM27 said:

she can't be bothered to do promotion?

or

no one wanted to book her?

mancabdriver said:

errr TVR was a better album (much).

Hmmmm

I was a huge fan up until about 2000, and since then Ive pretty much passed on her albums - mainly because i lost interest - there was nothing new. So I decided with all the hype about a return to her "control roots", id check the new album out. I was very disappointed.

As many have pointed out the album is just a continuation of the disappointing aspects of her previous two albums. To much "oooh yeah baby mmmmm i'm warm moist and sexy", and not enough "get the point....good lets dance".

There are some good tracks on the album. So Excited, Get It Out Me, Enjoy are all decent enough songs, but 3 tracks does not an album make, and the shit far outweighs the good stuff on here. Bland, generic, mid tempo R & B. Call On Me is the worst single of her career - not just because that fool nelly is whacking his turd all over it. The video looks like a rip off of her 1995 one for Runaway - harldy inspiring fans that Janet is doing something fresh.

Had she turned up on the cover of magazines wearing a mens 3 peice suit, i might have though, hmmm whats she up to, but as it turns out, she could only do cover shoots if she got her baps out - probably more of a sad indication of the industry, but she sold out none the less.

Someone on this thread mentioned Kellis as a good example. Kellis has made all the career moves over the past few years that Janet should have made. She makes the kind of catchy cross over r&b music that would have been perfect for Janet, and her image is fab.

Who's to blame? I think we're probably being too harsh on Janet. All artists lose themselves at some point, but unlike some one like Madonna who instinctively changes direction, Janet's relied on the advice and guidance of her partner who's taken her further in the direction her fans never wanted her to go in.

I think it will be a long time before we see a decent album out of her. She could still do it, but i think she's relied on one formula for so long, she doesn't know what to do to change it.

CHIC0 said:

I don't know! I mean, I can't imagine that non of the late night shows are intersted in her. She totally should've done an MTV special...but of course they are still being pricks. I don't believe the double standard...really it's sick!

Apparently she's doing Ellen (YAY) and Leno (ERGH) next week. Seriously, Leno? I hope she bitchslaps that freak.

Ellie said:

If Oprah did little to help her sales i can't see Ellen or Leno helping that much either.

I don't care, at least I can watch Ellen over here. That and Letterman which she hasn't done in years.

Ellie said:

Yeah... I read about that yesterday! lol Well, so much for my theory that she wouldn't want to appear on Leno!! I just really didn't like his jokes about the whole Michael trial. But come to think of he did testify in Michael's defense? And Janet has always tried to distance herself from Michael professionally, so it's not a complete suprise that she would appear on Leno.
As far as David, he can be harsh sometimes. I during the DJ era fans were "angry" at David. But she might agree to appear on his show.

I'm glad she's appearing on Ellen. I wonder if she'll perform or host SNL again. I hope she does.

As far as her promo, I think the problem with the magazines and tabloid stuff is that Janet's best promotion for her music is performing or appearing in videos. Since Janet is more of of all-around performer, people are hooked in to her music through the visual interpretation of it. So I think that this time around, there wasn't as much emphasis on her performance/music.