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Printablemikek1 said: stopHATING said: No, not at all. Prince is THAT dude. But, not immune to influence. Of course but there's a difference between influence and direct stealing. Oasis are the biggest e.g of DIRECT LIFTING. Nearly every single song of every album contains either lifted bass, drums or guitar. You can't lift bass or guitar melodys, its copyright infringment Oasis, like every other artist changes their melodies, and basslines and makes it their own... its part of the creative process GET OVER IT I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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stopHATING said: actually, you all missed it terribly. LRC is almost a carbon-copy of the supremes' "Up the Ladder to the Roof" Prince was very smart in how he borrowed
from the theme & overall structure of this classic supremes hit. the next time any of you guys get a chance to hear the "orig" LRC=Up the ladder Prince borrowed the beginning & more heavily the chorus itself... UP THE LADDER TO THE ROOF = LITTLE RED CORVETTE [Edited 10/9/06 12:14pm] 
DAMN!! The chorus sounds just like LRC! That's wild..  Body messager? Please 
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OneMoreTimeP said: stopHATING said: actually, you all missed it terribly. LRC is almost a carbon-copy of the supremes' "Up the Ladder to the Roof" Prince was very smart in how he borrowed
from the theme & overall structure of this classic supremes hit. the next time any of you guys get a chance to hear the "orig" LRC=Up the ladder Prince borrowed the beginning & more heavily the chorus itself... UP THE LADDER TO THE ROOF = LITTLE RED CORVETTE [Edited 10/9/06 12:14pm]
DAMN!! The chorus sounds just like LRC! That's wild.. It's brilliant, i mean reallly it is, see i think this make P even more innovative... what a few drum synths and rockhell guitar, can make two songs alike, but different... brilliant I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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mikek1 said: stopHATING said: No, not at all. Prince is THAT dude. But, not immune to influence. Of course but there's a difference between influence and direct stealing. Oasis are the biggest e.g of DIRECT LIFTING. Nearly every single song of every album contains either lifted bass, drums or guitar. TRUTH !! I'm sure that's why I never liked them. Everytime I heard their songs, it made me wanna hear The Beatles or "whatever" artist that was jacked. I guess that's the norm today? India.Irie's follow-up to her 1st cd, was HEAVILY jacked from Chaka Khan's "Hollywood" a BLATANT lift. Then sometime's I'm sure it's on purpose, like Tears for Fears' "Seeds of Love" contains TWO rips-in-one. Davie Bowies "Changes" & The Beatles "Hello/Goodbye" so, I dunno ? But, I will say in Prince's defense is HE makes art of it. his influences are ALOT harder to find,because he works very hard at making it his OWN. "You can go Fly ya Mama's Kite" (c) Prince | |
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EmbattledWarrior said: stopHATING said: No, not at all. Prince is THAT dude. But, not immune to influence. Nobody's above influence In order to make good music, you have to like and be inspired by equally good music... U wanna know why Prince is a brilliant song writer? who's one of his biggest influences, Joni Mitchel wanna know why P is a great Guitarist, who are his influences? Santana, jimi A Great funkster? GEorge Clinton, Parliment, Graham Central Station, so on... Great Rockstar? jimmy Page, Rockstar God Great Jazz player? Miles Davis can go on and on and on For each Talent p has, he was influenced by soomebody before him... WHICH IS NORMAL: 
Altho the Miles Davis influence was stretching it a bit 
P "Ain't THAT Dude" when it pertains to things JAZZ. Prince's jazz chops needs some serious work. but, he doesn't have to be great at everything. "You can go Fly ya Mama's Kite" (c) Prince | |
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EmbattledWarrior said: OneMoreTimeP said:
DAMN!! The chorus sounds just like LRC! That's wild.. It's brilliant, i mean reallly it is, see i think this make P even more innovative... what a few drum synths and rockhell guitar, can make two songs alike, but different... brilliant "EmbattledWarrior" you are bringing it !!  "You can go Fly ya Mama's Kite" (c) Prince | |
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stopHATING said: mikek1 said: Of course but there's a difference between influence and direct stealing. Oasis are the biggest e.g of DIRECT LIFTING. Nearly every single song of every album contains either lifted bass, drums or guitar. TRUTH !! I'm sure that's why I never liked them. Everytime I heard their songs, it made me wanna hear The Beatles or "whatever" artist that was jacked. I guess that's the norm today? India.Irie's follow-up to her 1st cd, was HEAVILY jacked from Chaka Khan's "Hollywood" a BLATANT lift. Then sometime's I'm sure it's on purpose, like Tears for Fears' "Seeds of Love" contains TWO rips-in-one. Davie Bowies "Changes" & The Beatles "Hello/Goodbye" so, I dunno ? But, I will say in Prince's defense is HE makes art of it. his influences are ALOT harder to find,because he works very hard at making it his OWN. Not truth if any true jacking occured, charges would've been madelike any lifting in history IE Vanilla Ice's Ice Ice Baby bassline, which was originally from Queen and David Bowies Under Pressure From my recollection of copyright law i believe, taht a song has to be only 20% original to not be subdued ounder copyright infringement, understanding that artist tend to use influences as an example to their own songs... but the change has to be 20 percent... so either way, artists are forced to be creative, some choose just to be 20% creative, rather than their full creative potential, IE prince so you cant knock em, and its not technically lifting under copyright law I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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I meant Truth as it pertained to DIRECT LIFTING. [Edited 10/10/06 11:38am] "You can go Fly ya Mama's Kite" (c) Prince | |
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Its cool and i understand that in this day and age, all new artist lift from old ones, its just more noticeable now, because they're lifting from obvious classics, which is what they know...
i fall to this as well, one of my songs called Fallen Tears is a ripoff of Every Little Thing She Does is Magic, By The Police... but i went through the creative motions... Key Changes, Bassline changes, Chord Structure Changes, and Time Signature changes, instrumental changes, and almost nobody could figure out the roots of that song, until it hits the finale, which i change everything to suit the original arrangement of the Police's song, as a sort of tribute and thanks for the inspiration... i went beyond the 20% need to creative, but i always, always , always give thanks to the artist before me.. so does prince... and thats how it should be I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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EmbattledWarrior said: Its cool and i understand that in this day and age, all new artist lift from old ones, its just more noticeable now, because they're lifting from obvious classics, which is what they know...
i fall to this as well, one of my songs called Fallen Tears is a ripoff of Every Little Thing She Does is Magic, By The Police... but i went through the creative motions... Key Changes, Bassline changes, Chord Structure Changes, and Time Signature changes, instrumental changes, and almost nobody could figure out the roots of that song, until it hits the finale, which i change everything to suit the original arrangement of the Police's song, as a sort of tribute and thanks for the inspiration... i went beyond the 20% need to creative, but i always, always , always give thanks to the artist before me.. so does prince... and thats how it should be Yes, I agree. and, good luck with your music. "You can go Fly ya Mama's Kite" (c) Prince | |
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stopHATING said: EmbattledWarrior said: Its cool and i understand that in this day and age, all new artist lift from old ones, its just more noticeable now, because they're lifting from obvious classics, which is what they know...
i fall to this as well, one of my songs called Fallen Tears is a ripoff of Every Little Thing She Does is Magic, By The Police... but i went through the creative motions... Key Changes, Bassline changes, Chord Structure Changes, and Time Signature changes, instrumental changes, and almost nobody could figure out the roots of that song, until it hits the finale, which i change everything to suit the original arrangement of the Police's song, as a sort of tribute and thanks for the inspiration... i went beyond the 20% need to creative, but i always, always , always give thanks to the artist before me.. so does prince... and thats how it should be Yes, I agree. and, good luck with your music. thnx good luck 2 u as well Wish U heaven  I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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thnx good luck 2 u as well Wish U heaven Appreciate it but, I WISH I could write/play music I can only play the radio. [Edited 10/10/06 12:14pm] "You can go Fly ya Mama's Kite" (c) Prince | |
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EmbattledWarrior said: mikek1 said: Of course but there's a difference between influence and direct stealing. Oasis are the biggest e.g of DIRECT LIFTING. Nearly every single song of every album contains either lifted bass, drums or guitar. You can't lift bass or guitar melodys, its copyright infringment Oasis, like every other artist changes their melodies, and basslines and makes it their own... its part of the creative process GET OVER IT HA HA Oasis do EXACTLY that; Noel ADMITTED IT! e.g drums intro from fucking in the bushes is from little miss lover. The guitar solo in supersonic is from george harrison. The piano from don't look back is lennon's imagine. Oasis could EASILY be sued for at least 20 tracks! They don't change the songs! | |
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mikek1 said: EmbattledWarrior said: You can't lift bass or guitar melodys, its copyright infringment Oasis, like every other artist changes their melodies, and basslines and makes it their own... its part of the creative process GET OVER IT HA HA Oasis do EXACTLY that; Noel ADMITTED IT! e.g drums intro from fucking in the bushes is from little miss lover. The guitar solo in supersonic is from george harrison. The piano from don't look back is lennon's imagine. Oasis could EASILY be sued for at least 20 tracks! They don't change the songs! you named beatles songs... thats an entirely different story... I believe Michael Jackson put some of the beatles songs accessible to the open public.... meaning you can steal from certain songs within reason... But ive stolen solos before myself... but i change em... like most guitarist, and created new solos but what your saying is that the solos are identical... than im sure, some deal has been made, with the beatles catalogue (if they're doing songs that arent open to the public mind you) if they really are stealing some stuff without permssion, and that are not open to the public, than they're up for some trouble, you can find out who their copyright distributer is, and write them a letter, Additionally Drum patterns are open source, you can steal anyones drum pattern, because they're not covered in copyright law... I am a Rail Road, Track Abandoned
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EmbattledWarrior said: mikek1 said: HA HA Oasis do EXACTLY that; Noel ADMITTED IT! e.g drums intro from fucking in the bushes is from little miss lover. The guitar solo in supersonic is from george harrison. The piano from don't look back is lennon's imagine. Oasis could EASILY be sued for at least 20 tracks! They don't change the songs! you named beatles songs... thats an entirely different story... I believe Michael Jackson put some of the beatles songs accessible to the open public.... meaning you can steal from certain songs within reason... But ive stolen solos before myself... but i change em... like most guitarist, and created new solos but what your saying is that the solos are identical... than im sure, some deal has been made, with the beatles catalogue (if they're doing songs that arent open to the public mind you) if they really are stealing some stuff without permssion, and that are not open to the public, than they're up for some trouble, you can find out who their copyright distributer is, and write them a letter, Additionally Drum patterns are open source, you can steal anyones drum pattern, because they're not covered in copyright law... Guitar riff in hindu times is from stereophonics. Vocal melody from lyla is street fighting man. Vocal melody from meaning of soul is jumping jack flash. The riff from Cigs & alchol is from mark bolan. The chord progression in morning glory is from rem; the one. Noel even said 'I'M SUPRISED I HAVE NOT BEEN SUED MORE'. Oasis HAVE been sued for she's electric and shakermaker which were both stolen from others(one from an advert). Live forever is stolen from the rolling stones; noel admitted this again. There's a dozen other examples of DIRECT STEALING! | |
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What about Robert Palmers' "Addicted To Love" and Prince's "U Got The Look"? The other day I was at a coffee shop and Palmers song started, for me was a slower version of "U got the look". I couldn't help noticing the similarities in the keys. Even the number of sylables in each phrase is similar...
Any opinion...?? By the way, Which song came out first?  "America is a continent..." |
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tritoncin said: Hey,
What about Robert Palmers' "Addicted To Love" and Prince's "U Got The Look"? The other day I was at a coffee shop and Palmers song started, for me was a slower version of "U got the look". I couldn't help noticing the similarities in the keys. Even the number of sylables in each phrase is similar...
Any opinion...?? By the way, Which song came out first? It's pretty much common knowledge that those sound alike. Palmer's was first. "What kind of fuck ending is that?" | |
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ElCapitan said: tritoncin said: Hey,
What about Robert Palmers' "Addicted To Love" and Prince's "U Got The Look"? The other day I was at a coffee shop and Palmers song started, for me was a slower version of "U got the look". I couldn't help noticing the similarities in the keys. Even the number of sylables in each phrase is similar...
Any opinion...?? By the way, Which song came out first? It's pretty much common knowledge that those sound alike. Palmer's was first. Yup, and the end of UGTL it sounds like some old "Reutrn to forever" "You can go Fly ya Mama's Kite" (c) Prince | |
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Theres some great finds on this thread. Can you believe Ive listened to thses songs so many timmes, and never saw the comparions. Esp "addicted to Love" and "U Got the Look" Since they came out so close together, Prince probably did steal the idea for the song. It's a basic blues chord progression I believe, but it's the heavy metal sound along with the progression that seems like P took.
Did you read about Michael Jackson wanting to copy "My Sharona" and he came up with "Beat It?" Play those together, they are similar, but Michael definitely made it his own. Now what does "Billie Jean" sound like? ______________________________________________
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stopHATING said: actually, you all missed it terribly. LRC is almost a carbon-copy of the supremes' "Up the Ladder to the Roof" Prince was very smart in how he borrowed
from the theme & overall structure of this classic supremes hit. the next time any of you guys get a chance to hear the "orig" LRC=Up the ladder Prince borrowed the beginning & more heavily the chorus itself... UP THE LADDER TO THE ROOF = LITTLE RED CORVETTE [Edited 10/9/06 12:14pm] Whoa-ho-ho-hohooooo.. You are cracking me up. Litttttle Red Corrrrvette= Up the Lad-der to the Roof...okay okay you got a good ear. Imma say it's just a coincidence though. lol | |
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alwayslate said: stopHATING said: actually, you all missed it terribly. LRC is almost a carbon-copy of the supremes' "Up the Ladder to the Roof" Prince was very smart in how he borrowed
from the theme & overall structure of this classic supremes hit. the next time any of you guys get a chance to hear the "orig" LRC=Up the ladder Prince borrowed the beginning & more heavily the chorus itself... UP THE LADDER TO THE ROOF = LITTLE RED CORVETTE [Edited 10/9/06 12:14pm] Whoa-ho-ho-hohooooo.. You are cracking me up. Litttttle Red Corrrrvette= Up the Lad-der to the Roof...okay okay you got a good ear. Imma say it's just a coincidence though. lol Hahaha ! Sorry, playa...I just call em' like i hear'd em "You can go Fly ya Mama's Kite" (c) Prince | |
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DMSR said: Did you read about Michael Jackson wanting to copy "My Sharona" and he came up with "Beat It?" Play those together, they are similar, but Michael definitely made it his own. Now what does "Billie Jean" sound like?
Some people insist that "Billie Jean" sounds alot like Steely Dan's "Do It Again",but I'm not sure that I agree.I do recall,in 1983/84,our local R&B station used to play a remix of both songs combined together.It was called "Do It Again,Billie Jean". | |
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SoulAlive said: DMSR said: Did you read about Michael Jackson wanting to copy "My Sharona" and he came up with "Beat It?" Play those together, they are similar, but Michael definitely made it his own. Now what does "Billie Jean" sound like?
Some people insist that "Billie Jean" sounds alot like Steely Dan's "Do It Again",but I'm not sure that I agree.I do recall,in 1983/84,our local R&B station used to play a remix of both songs combined together.It was called "Do It Again,Billie Jean". Billy Ocean's "Caribbean Queen" was a blatant rip of Billie Jean ,tho "You can go Fly ya Mama's Kite" (c) Prince | |
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SoulAlive said: DMSR said: Did you read about Michael Jackson wanting to copy "My Sharona" and he came up with "Beat It?" Play those together, they are similar, but Michael definitely made it his own. Now what does "Billie Jean" sound like?
Some people insist that "Billie Jean" sounds alot like Steely Dan's "Do It Again",but I'm not sure that I agree.I do recall,in 1983/84,our local R&B station used to play a remix of both songs combined together.It was called "Do It Again,Billie Jean". Oh yea, I have that vinyl record, forgot about that mashup! But I think Billie Jean might be as original as When Doves Cry. Its tough to find anything that sounds close to either song in my opinion... ______________________________________________
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DMSR said: SoulAlive said: Some people insist that "Billie Jean" sounds alot like Steely Dan's "Do It Again",but I'm not sure that I agree.I do recall,in 1983/84,our local R&B station used to play a remix of both songs combined together.It was called "Do It Again,Billie Jean". Oh yea, I have that vinyl record, forgot about that mashup! But I think Billie Jean might be as original as When Doves Cry. Its tough to find anything that sounds close to either song in my opinion... WDC is taken from a dez dickerson song; dez said it himself! | |
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mikek1 said: DMSR said: Oh yea, I have that vinyl record, forgot about that mashup! But I think Billie Jean might be as original as When Doves Cry. Its tough to find anything that sounds close to either song in my opinion... WDC is taken from a dez dickerson song; dez said it himself! Well if Dez said it then there ya go! [Edited 10/18/06 8:15am] "What kind of fuck ending is that?" | |
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ElCapitan said: mikek1 said: WDC is taken from a dez dickerson song; dez said it himself! Well if Dez said it then there ya go!
[Edited 10/18/06 8:15am] you know Prince got everything he knows from th Modernaires! My Legacy
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NDRU said: ElCapitan said: Well if Dez said it then there ya go!
[Edited 10/18/06 8:15am] you know Prince got everything he knows from th Modernaires! no just that one track. | |
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stopHATING said: SoulAlive said: Some people insist that "Billie Jean" sounds alot like Steely Dan's "Do It Again",but I'm not sure that I agree.I do recall,in 1983/84,our local R&B station used to play a remix of both songs combined together.It was called "Do It Again,Billie Jean". Billy Ocean's "Caribbean Queen" was a blatant rip of Billie Jean ,tho Indeed  and so was The Bar Kays' 1984 single "Dirty Dancer" | |
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