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Reply #90 posted 10/04/06 10:48pm

Shapeshifter

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menace said:

VinnyM27 said:



Her career is over! sad

Not really. I think the album truly has legs. What are you going to do....I hope it builds and I have an idea if they do reissue it, then it will be a big seller.



You're right. If they work it right and keep it hot, they could release and have a number 1 album on their hands. Hopefully they will keep marketing it



No it won't. It'll drop down next week. Her US fanbase and Oprah watchers bought it and put it high up the charts, but with no hit single/singles off the album, she won't attract casual buyers.

I'm still astounded at the way the album's flopped (and it has FLOPPED) around the world though. Where did her fans go?
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Reply #91 posted 10/04/06 10:55pm

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Shapeshifter said:

menace said:




You're right. If they work it right and keep it hot, they could release and have a number 1 album on their hands. Hopefully they will keep marketing it



No it won't. It'll drop down next week. Her US fanbase and Oprah watchers bought it and put it high up the charts, but with no hit single/singles off the album, she won't attract casual buyers.

I'm still astounded at the way the album's flopped (and it has FLOPPED) around the world though. Where did her fans go?

yeah, the record is done already. virgin will not support it, though they'll claim they will. just like damita jo when they said they'd nurture the cd and let it grow but then, bang, it was done.

oprah's audience and the today show audience already bought it as did janet's fan base. her diehard fan base no doubt bought multiple copies because of the multiple cover marketing ploy so i expect to see a drastic drop next week. there is no break out, cross-over single...and that is JD's doing thanks to his "i want this to be an urban record" attitude. virgin should rush release enjoy or daybreak ASAP because its the only thing that may save some casual sales.
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Reply #92 posted 10/04/06 10:56pm

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- Janet didnt do terribly bad. Debuting at no.2 aint really a bad thing, and selling close to 300,000 copies is pretty good. Gonna be interesting seeing if this album has legs or not.

- As expected Justin fell, though not too badly at all. I think this is an album that's going to stick around the top 10 for a while, as the album is full of potential hits. Once he really starts to concentrate on 'My Love', that shit will blow up more.

-Who the hell is keeping Clay Aiken in the top 10, really

-John Mayer is selling rather healthy, though sales did drop a bit. He has a good loyal fanbase, and he's proof that you dont have to suck off MTV to be a rock star

-Scissor Sister's placing on the chart shocked the hell out of me, especially since it's a bit of a difficult listen(and that's cause I LOVE their first album). Well, congrats to them. They sure as hell were able to do it without MTV or mainstream radio.

- Dang, X-tina is falling. She better get to focusing on 'Hurt'. Still, sales are at least decent.

-Beyonce's falling. Figures. She's too overexposed.

-Jessica's not falling, she's just flat out flopping! With MTV licking her clit like they were and the first single doing decently, I figured that it would sale alright. Guess not...
[Edited 10/4/06 22:59pm]
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Reply #93 posted 10/05/06 3:45am

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Shapeshifter said:

menace said:




You're right. If they work it right and keep it hot, they could release and have a number 1 album on their hands. Hopefully they will keep marketing it



No it won't. It'll drop down next week. Her US fanbase and Oprah watchers bought it and put it high up the charts, but with no hit single/singles off the album, she won't attract casual buyers.

I'm still astounded at the way the album's flopped (and it has FLOPPED) around the world though. Where did her fans go?

Because;her latest single didn't get much airplay and it didn't hit the charts in Europe.
And,after Damita Jo I think people want 2 hear some songs/hits first be4 they will spend their money on another Janet-CD.

And...face it,JT still has some great singles on the album and is hot at this moment,'he steals her spotlight these days.
It's strange 2 see B'Day isn't doing that well,but I got 2 admit I haven't listened 2 the album a lot,maybe we had enough Beyonce 4 a few months/years??
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Reply #94 posted 10/05/06 3:54am

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I found this over on the SOHH.COM blog

Janet, Beyonce and Tina... Don't Gag, Sh*t Happens!
Last night I went to the Fat Joe listening session held at the Virgin Records cafeteria hosted by Joe himself. As Joe's bangin' new set filled the air, so did this weird eeri-ness that something just wasn't right.



There was a lot of whispering, some of it was in agreement that Me, Myself and I is some of Joe's best shit yet. That joint with him and the Game is sure to be a hit. However the majority of the people there were talking about how Janet Jackson didn't debut at #1 according to Hits Daily Double. Some wondered would the numbers be massaged a little for the more official Billboard report. Funny thing is, Def Jam had already claimed their victory. As we walked up to the Virgin Records office, Ludacris' street team had covered the entire block with his posters as if 5th Avenue were Peachtree Street or Camberton Road.

A lot of people are gagging this morning. Some heads should roll. One in particular being [CENSORED]. That negro should be the first to go. He's turned down major promotional ideas and he'd been overheard saying in days prior, "I don't need her to sell big numbers, I just need her to debut at #1." Just another example of them resting on their laurels and underestimating the fans and the competition.



disbelief looks like J.D is sabotaging his girlfriend's career.Wake up,Janet!!
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Reply #95 posted 10/05/06 4:02am

jayaredee

Will Janet get another 80 million dollar contract?
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Reply #96 posted 10/05/06 4:09am

MartyMcFly

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ok, that shit was a fat suit. i'm convinced. her arms don't match the body at all. and in other pictures her legs don't match the body. i'm convinced she wore a fat suit so when she came back all fit people would be astonished and it would provide tons of press. come on...where are all the strectch marks and sagging skin?



Riiiiight.... and the moon landings were fake too right? nuts
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Reply #97 posted 10/05/06 4:26am

Isel

Paisley4u said:

Shapeshifter said:




No it won't. It'll drop down next week. Her US fanbase and Oprah watchers bought it and put it high up the charts, but with no hit single/singles off the album, she won't attract casual buyers.

I'm still astounded at the way the album's flopped (and it has FLOPPED) around the world though. Where did her fans go?

Because;her latest single didn't get much airplay and it didn't hit the charts in Europe.
And,after Damita Jo I think people want 2 hear some songs/hits first be4 they will spend their money on another Janet-CD.

And...face it,JT still has some great singles on the album and is hot at this moment,'he steals her spotlight these days.
It's strange 2 see B'Day isn't doing that well,but I got 2 admit I haven't listened 2 the album a lot,maybe we had enough Beyonce 4 a few months/years??


Well I finally heard all of Sexyback. Yeah... it's a great track even though I hate to admit it. But I just can't bring myself to even support Justin for a variety of reasons. In "Sexback," I imagined Prince singing those vocals so much better.

I, now, just have this irrational hatred of Justin like some people were talking about not even being able to give Sean Lennon a chance due to Yoko v Julian in another thread.

I have never particularly "liked" Justin, but now it's like I can't stand the guy. I'm sure his entire cd is great. I would probably really like it because I'm such a fan of Prince's. But I just cannot support Justin.

I also have this irrational hatred of MTV. I just hate it. Some people hate American Idol.. well I never really watch that show because it bores me--except when Prince performed. But I can switch the channels fast enough if Justin's mug appears or if I just happen to flip through on my way to BET.
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Reply #98 posted 10/05/06 5:32am

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asg said:

menace said:




You're right. If they work it right and keep it hot, they could release and have a number 1 album on their hands. Hopefully they will keep marketing it


There is not even a 1 in a million chance of that happening! reissues will never generate the same interest as the first time!!Plus her next album will do alot worse then this one that how the music industry works!! I dont think 296k is so bad without oprah she whould have been about 200-220k. Look at what happened with TLC janet will go the same way. TLC like janet r both producer heavy and high on video support


That's not totally true. Reissues worked for Mariah..hell it worked for Jessica Simpson too. But you are probably right.
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Reply #99 posted 10/05/06 8:42am

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menace said:

asg said:



There is not even a 1 in a million chance of that happening! reissues will never generate the same interest as the first time!!Plus her next album will do alot worse then this one that how the music industry works!! I dont think 296k is so bad without oprah she whould have been about 200-220k. Look at what happened with TLC janet will go the same way. TLC like janet r both producer heavy and high on video support


That's not totally true. Reissues worked for Mariah..hell it worked for Jessica Simpson too. But you are probably right.



it works for hit albums without the reissue mimi would have not sold more then 3.5mil

it worked for jessica when it was originally released that album was like #63 and after doin new weds and the publicity thats when she sold like 3million

janet fan base has already bought the album and they wont buy it second time around
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Reply #100 posted 10/05/06 8:50am

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Paisley4u said:

Shapeshifter said:




No it won't. It'll drop down next week. Her US fanbase and Oprah watchers bought it and put it high up the charts, but with no hit single/singles off the album, she won't attract casual buyers.

I'm still astounded at the way the album's flopped (and it has FLOPPED) around the world though. Where did her fans go?

Because;her latest single didn't get much airplay and it didn't hit the charts in Europe.
And,after Damita Jo I think people want 2 hear some songs/hits first be4 they will spend their money on another Janet-CD.

And...face it,JT still has some great singles on the album and is hot at this moment,'he steals her spotlight these days.
It's strange 2 see B'Day isn't doing that well,but I got 2 admit I haven't listened 2 the album a lot,maybe we had enough Beyonce 4 a few months/years??



Prince didn't have a hit single in the UK with either Te Amo Crappyzone or Black Sweat, but 3121 still got into the Top 10 (if only for a week). 20 YO didn't even make the Top 50, which is a disaster.
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Reply #101 posted 10/05/06 9:23am

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asg said:

menace said:




You're right. If they work it right and keep it hot, they could release and have a number 1 album on their hands. Hopefully they will keep marketing it


There is not even a 1 in a million chance of that happening! reissues will never generate the same interest as the first time!!Plus her next album will do alot worse then this one that how the music industry works!! I dont think 296k is so bad without oprah she whould have been about 200-220k. Look at what happened with TLC janet will go the same way. TLC like janet r both producer heavy and high on video support


I agree. A reissue might help it keep healthy sales. I'm thinking of legs....It'll never go to number one (not in an envoirnment where nearly all number one albums are 1st week releases (rarely will something retain number one for a second week, or bounce back). I'm thinking of the album having possible legs, not a breakthrough!

As for the next album, I wouldn't jump that far ahead. I think the next album will be a huge hit with fans, giving them what they want and have that rate hit that breaks through on MTV and radio. Now I'm jumping ahead....
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Reply #102 posted 10/05/06 9:28am

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sallysassalot said:

Shapeshifter said:




No it won't. It'll drop down next week. Her US fanbase and Oprah watchers bought it and put it high up the charts, but with no hit single/singles off the album, she won't attract casual buyers.

I'm still astounded at the way the album's flopped (and it has FLOPPED) around the world though. Where did her fans go?

yeah, the record is done already. virgin will not support it, though they'll claim they will. just like damita jo when they said they'd nurture the cd and let it grow but then, bang, it was done.

oprah's audience and the today show audience already bought it as did janet's fan base. her diehard fan base no doubt bought multiple copies because of the multiple cover marketing ploy so i expect to see a drastic drop next week. there is no break out, cross-over single...and that is JD's doing thanks to his "i want this to be an urban record" attitude. virgin should rush release enjoy or daybreak ASAP because its the only thing that may save some casual sales.


I'm pretty die hard and while I thought of buying a deluxe copy and another copy with a regular cover, I decided against it at the last mintue. I wouldn't be so sure that all her fans bought all five different copies.

NOw that I think of it Virgin won't support the album....know why? It's the last on her contract and I don't think they are intersted in signing her again. I think she will sign with a new label and rememrge very strong. We'll have to wait and see. Releasing a popper single like "Daybreak" or "Enjoy" will definately help. The breathy R&B thing is working too slowly ("Call On Me" is an R&B hit but probably won't crossover, certaintly not into huge sales) and the crunk R&B thing ("So Excited") might not be working at all.
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Reply #103 posted 10/05/06 9:30am

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Paisley4u said:

Shapeshifter said:




No it won't. It'll drop down next week. Her US fanbase and Oprah watchers bought it and put it high up the charts, but with no hit single/singles off the album, she won't attract casual buyers.

I'm still astounded at the way the album's flopped (and it has FLOPPED) around the world though. Where did her fans go?

Because;her latest single didn't get much airplay and it didn't hit the charts in Europe.
And,after Damita Jo I think people want 2 hear some songs/hits first be4 they will spend their money on another Janet-CD.

And...face it,JT still has some great singles on the album and is hot at this moment,'he steals her spotlight these days.
It's strange 2 see B'Day isn't doing that well,but I got 2 admit I haven't listened 2 the album a lot,maybe we had enough Beyonce 4 a few months/years??


Justin in the golden boy....Janet is still the Jezebel!
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Reply #104 posted 10/05/06 10:50am

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Shapeshifter said:



Prince didn't have a hit single in the UK with either Te Amo Crappyzone or Black Sweat, but 3121 still got into the Top 10 (if only for a week). 20 YO didn't even make the Top 50, which is a disaster.

That's cos Prince is in a different calibre to Janet. His singles really are adverts for the album. He's got a more adult audience too and they don't generally go for singles.
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Reply #105 posted 10/05/06 11:15am

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Ellie said:

Shapeshifter said:



Prince didn't have a hit single in the UK with either Te Amo Crappyzone or Black Sweat, but 3121 still got into the Top 10 (if only for a week). 20 YO didn't even make the Top 50, which is a disaster.

That's cos Prince is in a different calibre to Janet. His singles really are adverts for the album. He's got a more adult audience too and they don't generally go for singles.



Te Anus Cornhole was a wretched advert for the album. Should've released Black Sweat first.

Ah shit! Wrong forum.

Back to Janet - she's crap now, right? lol
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Reply #106 posted 10/05/06 11:17am

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VinnyM27 said:

sallysassalot said:


yeah, the record is done already. virgin will not support it, though they'll claim they will. just like damita jo when they said they'd nurture the cd and let it grow but then, bang, it was done.

oprah's audience and the today show audience already bought it as did janet's fan base. her diehard fan base no doubt bought multiple copies because of the multiple cover marketing ploy so i expect to see a drastic drop next week. there is no break out, cross-over single...and that is JD's doing thanks to his "i want this to be an urban record" attitude. virgin should rush release enjoy or daybreak ASAP because its the only thing that may save some casual sales.


I'm pretty die hard and while I thought of buying a deluxe copy and another copy with a regular cover, I decided against it at the last mintue. I wouldn't be so sure that all her fans bought all five different copies.

NOw that I think of it Virgin won't support the album....know why? It's the last on her contract and I don't think they are intersted in signing her again. I think she will sign with a new label and rememrge very strong. We'll have to wait and see. Releasing a popper single like "Daybreak" or "Enjoy" will definately help. The breathy R&B thing is working too slowly ("Call On Me" is an R&B hit but probably won't crossover, certaintly not into huge sales) and the crunk R&B thing ("So Excited") might not be working at all.



Ah, now the plot thickens like cement in gravy. Didn't know it was her last Virgin album. They won't sign her again. Bet she goes to .... Def Jam. Like Mariah. lol
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Reply #107 posted 10/05/06 11:17am

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VinnyM27 said:

Paisley4u said:


Because;her latest single didn't get much airplay and it didn't hit the charts in Europe.
And,after Damita Jo I think people want 2 hear some songs/hits first be4 they will spend their money on another Janet-CD.

And...face it,JT still has some great singles on the album and is hot at this moment,'he steals her spotlight these days.
It's strange 2 see B'Day isn't doing that well,but I got 2 admit I haven't listened 2 the album a lot,maybe we had enough Beyonce 4 a few months/years??


Justin in the golden boy....Janet is still the Jezebel!



Gimme Jezebel over that shitwad wimpy pisspants prat anyday. lol
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Reply #108 posted 10/05/06 11:19am

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Shapeshifter, your descriptions are consistently priceless. lol
Been gone for a minute, now I'm back with the jump off
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Reply #109 posted 10/05/06 12:40pm

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Shapeshifter said:

Paisley4u said:


Because;her latest single didn't get much airplay and it didn't hit the charts in Europe.
And,after Damita Jo I think people want 2 hear some songs/hits first be4 they will spend their money on another Janet-CD.

And...face it,JT still has some great singles on the album and is hot at this moment,'he steals her spotlight these days.
It's strange 2 see B'Day isn't doing that well,but I got 2 admit I haven't listened 2 the album a lot,maybe we had enough Beyonce 4 a few months/years??



Prince didn't have a hit single in the UK with either Te Amo Crappyzone or Black Sweat, but 3121 still got into the Top 10 (if only for a week). 20 YO didn't even make the Top 50, which is a disaster.



it entered at #9 but that week was special week like mothers day i think.
if it had been a normal week with those numbers it would have been #3
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Reply #110 posted 10/05/06 12:50pm

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asg said:



it entered at #9 but that week was special week like mothers day i think.
if it had been a normal week with those numbers it would have been #3

Oh possibly. On Mothers Day week our album charts are filled with the latest Lionel Richie/Westlife/Daniel O'Donnell stuff that gets churned out on TV ads lol
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Reply #111 posted 10/05/06 1:08pm

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asg said:

Shapeshifter said:




Prince didn't have a hit single in the UK with either Te Amo Crappyzone or Black Sweat, but 3121 still got into the Top 10 (if only for a week). 20 YO didn't even make the Top 50, which is a disaster.



it entered at #9 but that week was special week like mothers day i think.
if it had been a normal week with those numbers it would have been #3



Mate, Mothers Day or Motherfucker's Day or whatever had nothing to do with it. We don't stand on ceremony here. What happened was this:

1). There was no potential crossover single released from the album (Tiny Anus Cornholed was NOT a commercial blockbuster), so it sold strictly to the hardcore and those lapsed fans who'd returned with Musicology.

2). Journey South released their piece of shit X Factor album on the same day.
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Reply #112 posted 10/05/06 1:19pm

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Shapeshifter said:


2). Journey South released their piece of shit X Factor album on the same day.

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Reply #113 posted 10/05/06 2:49pm

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Shapeshifter said:

VinnyM27 said:



I'm pretty die hard and while I thought of buying a deluxe copy and another copy with a regular cover, I decided against it at the last mintue. I wouldn't be so sure that all her fans bought all five different copies.

NOw that I think of it Virgin won't support the album....know why? It's the last on her contract and I don't think they are intersted in signing her again. I think she will sign with a new label and rememrge very strong. We'll have to wait and see. Releasing a popper single like "Daybreak" or "Enjoy" will definately help. The breathy R&B thing is working too slowly ("Call On Me" is an R&B hit but probably won't crossover, certaintly not into huge sales) and the crunk R&B thing ("So Excited") might not be working at all.



Ah, now the plot thickens like cement in gravy. Didn't know it was her last Virgin album. They won't sign her again. Bet she goes to .... Def Jam. Like Mariah. lol


Didn't know until I read it on Wikipedia (which I don't think would screw that up). I really, really hope she doesn't go to Def Jam, just due to the fact that they released the Luda CD to chart block her! Sign to a label that doesn't have a theme, like WB or Sony. Back to A&M might be interesting?
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Reply #114 posted 10/05/06 2:49pm

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Shapeshifter said:

VinnyM27 said:



Justin in the golden boy....Janet is still the Jezebel!



Gimme Jezebel over that shitwad wimpy pisspants prat anyday. lol

I'm with you!
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Reply #115 posted 10/05/06 2:51pm

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Shapeshifter said:


2). Journey South released their piece of shit X Factor album on the same day.


Journey SOuth? Did Journey change it's name for legal reasons?
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