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Reply #30 posted 10/03/06 9:34pm

murph

728huey said:

VinnyM27 said:
ABeautifulOne said:

Hmm? That sucks, but it shows what happens when MTV kisses your ass and treats you like a king (Luda) and treats ignores you and treats you like trash (Janet)...shockingly, not that much difference, but with at least some MTV support, Janet would've beeen number one! But it's not the end of the world. The album has a lot of potentail, if Virgin keeps it up. Good, the album charts are terrible. Those opening numbers are below DJ.


I wouldn't necessarily blame the lack of support from MTV for Janet's current album sales. MTV may have helped Ludacris, Justin and Christina, but they also kissed Jessica Simpson's ass so much that they got a dirty Sanchez; yet their ass-kissing didn't do anything for her album.

I think you have to remember that these album debuts were very much in line to what was going on 10 to 15 years ago. If a superstar sold 300,000 copies their first week, they had a phenomenally successful album debut. The super-inflated first week album sales of 800,000+ copies didn't begin happening until 1999. and that even ended for the most part by 2002. What should be more disturbing to the record companies and so-called superstars is the precipitous drop in album sales after the first week. Granted, if an album sold 750,000 copies the first week, it wasn't uncommon for the next week's sales to drop off by 40%, but the declines would soon level off into the 5 to 10 percent range in subsequent weeks. These days, however, the sales are dropping 50%, 35%, and 25%, which means that todays albums are being discarded at an alarmingly rapid rate.

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You really did you homework...Great post....And just to piggyback, it must be said that in 2006, selling over 300, 000 copies the first week has been a rarity...But the thing you also have to calculate is that teenagers and consumers are finding new ways to get their music...Getting an album for free is a no brainer for most folks...
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Reply #31 posted 10/03/06 9:39pm

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anyone who bought 6 versions is pretty loyal i should think

well, i mean does loyal mean you buy the cd even if you don't like it or does loyal mean if you like it you don't download it illegally or what? the cd is far from her best work and it isn't disloyal for a fan who doesn't care for it to refrain from buying it.

shit, if we wanna talk about loyalty...how about janet showing some loyalty to her career long fanbase?

lol Buying six copies doesn't make you loyal - it means you've really got nothing better to do. I love the album, and I'm happy to support it but once is enough. One copy TOTAL. Not one Canadian copy and one USA copy and one Japan with extra tracks copy and one copy from the street vendor in NYC with a free bootleg t-shirt to go along with it. If you're buying multiple copies to pump your favorite artist's ego, you should seek help. But hey if it makes you feel better, could you buy another copy? I got a friend that wants it, too but didn't wanna spend the dough on the ugly "20 pucker lips" cover.
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Reply #32 posted 10/03/06 9:41pm

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I'm pretty sure janet, The Velvet Rope, and All For You debuted at #1. RN1814 was pre-Soundscan, and #1 debuts were much harder to come by at the time, so I'm assuming it climbed to the top spot.


As far as "loyalty" is concerned, I'm a long-time Janet fan and I debated over whether or not to even spend my $10 on the CD. I caved and bought it, but it had more to do with liking a few cuts from the cd and wanting to complete my collection than from any misguided ideas about loyalty. I almost don't want Janet to hit #1 just so she knows that many members of her fanbase are turned off by her new direction. Hopefully her next album will be more Control - Velvet Rope caliber.


I believe that "janet" might be the first album in Soundscan/album chart history to debut at number one...Might be wrong.



I believe Janet was the first Female to debut at #1 in the soundscan era with janet.

janet, Velvet Rope, All For You, hit #1

Damita Jo hit #2 with 384K
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Reply #33 posted 10/03/06 9:59pm

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I'm kinda sad. It's not the best Janet CD..no; but it's damn good...maybe even better than that. I really wanted her to be number 1 with some stong sales to give the finger to MTV and to shut all the naysayers. Maybe it will be a sleeper hit CD and surprise us all. Here's to hoping.

Damn MTV, why did you guys have to do this.
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Reply #34 posted 10/03/06 10:02pm

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These figures dont include "iTunes" I have feeling she would have outsold Luda by a mile on iTunes.
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Reply #35 posted 10/03/06 10:14pm

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These figures dont include "iTunes" I have feeling she would have outsold Luda by a mile on iTunes.



It doesn't? WHy not? I bought mine on Itunes, if it makes a difference, I would have went into the store. When do Itunes numbers kick in? week 2?
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Reply #36 posted 10/03/06 10:26pm

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TommyRoss said:

sallysassalot said:


well, i mean does loyal mean you buy the cd even if you don't like it or does loyal mean if you like it you don't download it illegally or what? the cd is far from her best work and it isn't disloyal for a fan who doesn't care for it to refrain from buying it.

shit, if we wanna talk about loyalty...how about janet showing some loyalty to her career long fanbase?

lol Buying six copies doesn't make you loyal - it means you've really got nothing better to do. I love the album, and I'm happy to support it but once is enough. One copy TOTAL. Not one Canadian copy and one USA copy and one Japan with extra tracks copy and one copy from the street vendor in NYC with a free bootleg t-shirt to go along with it. If you're buying multiple copies to pump your favorite artist's ego, you should seek help. But hey if it makes you feel better, could you buy another copy? I got a friend that wants it, too but didn't wanna spend the dough on the ugly "20 pucker lips" cover.


And they make fun of the Claymates who are holding up their multiply cds from an earlier thread!!



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Reply #37 posted 10/03/06 10:32pm

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menace said:

twink69 said:

These figures dont include "iTunes" I have feeling she would have outsold Luda by a mile on iTunes.



It doesn't? WHy not? I bought mine on Itunes, if it makes a difference, I would have went into the store. When do Itunes numbers kick in? week 2?
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hits daily doesn't include itunes but Billboard does i think
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Reply #38 posted 10/03/06 10:38pm

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menace said:




It doesn't? WHy not? I bought mine on Itunes, if it makes a difference, I would have went into the store. When do Itunes numbers kick in? week 2?
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hits daily doesn't include itunes but Billboard does i think

i don't think itunes is gonna help much anyway. neither of her two singles are in the itunes top sellers list, neither video is in the itunes top sellers list, and the new record isn't in the top sellers list.

keep in mind that janet has sold 300k BUT that is with the help of her multiple cover marketing ploy. you know there are a lot of hardcore fans that purchased all four covers and that has only helped her get to number 2. imagine if she only released one cover.

the bottom line is people just aren't buying it.
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Reply #39 posted 10/03/06 11:00pm

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How could this be happening to the queen of pop?

sad


Blasphemy...there's only one queen of pop:


omg she looks worst than her brother. I never thought anyone could look as bad as MJ sad
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Reply #40 posted 10/03/06 11:12pm

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Scorpion said:

She's not doing any better worldwide either:

UK: 3000, #63
IRELAND: failed to chart (less than 750 copies)
AUSTRALIA: failed to chart (less than 1000 copies)
JAPAN: 12,000


Honestly, I was expecting something bigger than that. With like 6 different versions of the cd released & loads of fans buying all versions & the big Oprah appearance. I'm scared to think what she would've done without that. eek This is even less sold than "Damita Jo".
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There have been only 2 versions released outside the US.
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Reply #41 posted 10/03/06 11:45pm

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Reply #42 posted 10/04/06 12:06am

murph

sallysassalot said:

ehuffnsd said:




hits daily doesn't include itunes but Billboard does i think

i don't think itunes is gonna help much anyway. neither of her two singles are in the itunes top sellers list, neither video is in the itunes top sellers list, and the new record isn't in the top sellers list.

keep in mind that janet has sold 300k BUT that is with the help of her multiple cover marketing ploy. you know there are a lot of hardcore fans that purchased all four covers and that has only helped her get to number 2. imagine if she only released one cover.

the bottom line is people just aren't buying it.



When did the music industry get to the point where 300, 000 for first sales is considered a failure??? I missed that memo....
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Reply #43 posted 10/04/06 12:10am

SoulAlive

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MikeMatronik said:

Poor janet sad


How could this be happening to the queen of pop?

sad



she's gotta be pissed because the same thing happened to her in 2004.Her 'Damita Jo' CD was kept out of the top spot by Usher's CD.
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Reply #44 posted 10/04/06 12:44am

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I could have sworn Damita Jo went to #1 on Billboard.
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Reply #45 posted 10/04/06 12:48am

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Ellie said:

I could have sworn Damita Jo went to #1 on Billboard.


Nope,it debuted at Number Two.Usher's CD "Confessions" was in the Number One spot.
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Reply #46 posted 10/04/06 12:56am

SoulAlive

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Beyonce's out of the Top Ten? Albums fall fast these days.



Amazing,isn't it? And look at where Christina Aguilera's CD is at.Record companies spend millions of dollars promoting these over-hyped CDs and yet they fade away very quickly.Today's pop music is like fast food....quickly consumed and then discarded.I remember a time when albums used to stay in the Top 10 for six months or so.
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Reply #47 posted 10/04/06 12:59am

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Ellie said:

Scorpion said:

She's not doing any better worldwide either:

UK: 3000, #63
IRELAND: failed to chart (less than 750 copies)
AUSTRALIA: failed to chart (less than 1000 copies)
JAPAN: 12,000


Honestly, I was expecting something bigger than that. With like 6 different versions of the cd released & loads of fans buying all versions & the big Oprah appearance. I'm scared to think what she would've done without that. eek This is even less sold than "Damita Jo".
[Edited 10/3/06 17:24pm]

There have been only 2 versions released outside the US.

I live in France and I've seen the 4 fan made covers at the record store.
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Reply #48 posted 10/04/06 2:33am

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Scorpion said:


AUSTRALIA: failed to chart (less than 1000 copies)


At first i was like... hmm ...janet has/had a HUGE fanbase here in AUS...so i didnt beleive you...then a quick visit to the aussie chart site confirms that she did indeed debut OUTSIDE of the top 50...number #55 to be exact...

I'm in utter disbeleif that she's got no fans left here in AUS...DJ and A4U really threw here career into a downward spiral here...i mean she used to compete with Madonna at one stage for chart placings in the top 5, but alas no more...


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Reply #49 posted 10/04/06 4:29am

jayaredee

twink69 said:

These figures dont include "iTunes" I have feeling she would have outsold Luda by a mile on iTunes.


Luda was ahead of Janet on Itunes all week.
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Reply #50 posted 10/04/06 5:14am

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TommyRoss said:


lol Buying six copies doesn't make you loyal - it means you've really got nothing better to do. I love the album, and I'm happy to support it but once is enough. One copy TOTAL. Not one Canadian copy and one USA copy and one Japan with extra tracks copy and one copy from the street vendor in NYC with a free bootleg t-shirt to go along with it. If you're buying multiple copies to pump your favorite artist's ego, you should seek help. But hey if it makes you feel better, could you buy another copy? I got a friend that wants it, too but didn't wanna spend the dough on the ugly "20 pucker lips" cover.


And they make fun of the Claymates who are holding up their multiply cds from an earlier thread!!



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Reply #51 posted 10/04/06 5:21am

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i thought she was huge in japan?


I don't know about that, but surely not as huge as she was in the US just a coupla months ago? hmmm


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Reply #52 posted 10/04/06 5:28am

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ouch, that hurts brick

Like Justin being hit by Clay Aiken
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Reply #53 posted 10/04/06 5:34am

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dang sad

but damn...Justin drops to 4th...woot!


Yeah, THAT makes it a failure lol



let me read my sentence again.....interesting..I didn't say any of what you've said.

I'm just happy there was a drop and I hope he continues to drop.


but thanks for your wonderful point. lol
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Reply #54 posted 10/04/06 6:49am

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ehuffnsd said:

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It doesn't? WHy not? I bought mine on Itunes, if it makes a difference, I would have went into the store. When do Itunes numbers kick in? week 2?
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hits daily doesn't include itunes but Billboard does i think


both hits daily double and soundscan billboard include digital album sales thru itunes and the other sites!!!! but she wasnt even in the top 10 albums of itunes
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Reply #55 posted 10/04/06 6:58am

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I still think debuting at #2 is not bad. I don't know why anyone would consider that a failure and there are chances it would go to #1. If she would have debut lower than that then maybe. Sorry guys, except for one or two songs, Janets CD is just full of forgettable tracks.
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Reply #56 posted 10/04/06 7:19am

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I still think debuting at #2 is not bad. I don't know why anyone would consider that a failure and there are chances it would go to #1. If she would have debut lower than that then maybe. Sorry guys, except for one or two songs, Janets CD is just full of forgettable tracks.



Debuting @ #2 is really not that bad. I think her fans are concerned at how the media will react to it. There were alot of snide remarks made about Janet when "Damita Jo" failed to take the top spot. So, I guess they were gunning for the #1 spot this time to prove a point to MTV & the naysayers that she's not "over".
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Reply #57 posted 10/04/06 7:39am

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I almost took the bait and bought Janet after some of the positive reviews posted here.

Then I was at Target and so confused and overwhelmed by the 18 different copies of the album that I had a reality check, said "fuck janet" and walked on by.

Now that the BF and I have successfully avoided the 1st week hype, I doubt we will by the CD. Unless we come across it in a used bin or sumptin...
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Reply #58 posted 10/04/06 7:58am

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I'm quite shocked that the album has done THAT badly outside the US, but then, like Damita Jo, it had no decent, straight between the eyes lead-off single to establish it, just weedy whimpering mid-tempo drivel. She should fire the troll.
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Reply #59 posted 10/04/06 8:25am

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Soundscan / Billboard agrees


Luda # 1 - 309,000
Janet # 2 - 296,000


>>>In a week featuring debuts in the first four slots of The Billboard 200, Ludacris' "Release Therapy" bows at No. 1 with 309,000 copies, according to Nielsen SoundScan. The DTP/Def Jam effort is the rapper's third chart-topper, following 2003's "Chicken 'N Beer" and 2004's "Red Light District." It is also his sixth No. 1 on the Top R&B/Hip-Hop albums tally.

Janet Jackson's "20 Y.O." enters at No. 2 with 296,000, Jackson's eighth straight top three debut. However, it's her smallest debut sales week since "The Velvet Rope" started at No. 1 with 202,000 in 1997. <<<
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