mancabdriver said: jayaredee said: Ellie, ahem..... Oh shes a Michael fan? OK that explains alot. I like both Michael and Janet though i'm not from the UK. It's obvious Michael runs circles around Janet though, and Invincible is much stronger than Janet's past 3 albums...which isn't saying much | |
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It doesn't explain much really. I was a massive Janet fan from 1993-2000. Then came the shit music, boring sex-chat in interviews, total loss of vocal ability, tacky clothes etc.
Actually, take out the interviews and that describes Michael too But he's a lifetime habit and has the bigger & stronger back catalogue, so I forgive him. | |
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Ellie said: I seriously think the airplay think has to do with the shit records she's releasing and not the SB. Or maybe the oft talked about cancelled European tour after 9/11 due to the cited reason of air-security issues but STILL playing Hawaii and Japan. Tonnes of people were well annoyed with her after that.
I don't think you understood my argument. Let me break it down for you: JUST A LITTLE WHILE - HAD AIRPLAY ON MAJOR STATIONS, RUBBISH OR NOT IT, IT DID. now this is the tricky part... the airplay of this song decreased the same time as it did on American radio. Now i don't beleive in coincidences so the SB effect was felt in the UK and she never truly recovered from that. Music experts in the UK predicted the album would flop BEFORE they even heard it. Why? Yes because of the SB EFFECT!!! | |
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Here in Portugal we loved to see janet boobs... | |
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MikeMatronik said: Here in Portugal we loved to see janet boobs...
boob..... | |
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Or because no-one was responding to Just A Little While despite giving it airplay and the fuck-awful video it had. The song had a bad vibe around it from the start. She did a tonne of promo here for that but then never returned. This was after the Superbowl too so it's no excuse. JALW was released in April '04. | |
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jayaredee said: MikeMatronik said: Here in Portugal we loved to see janet boobs...
boob..... Portuguese are never happy...we think with our penis! | |
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DJ flopped because of the bad promotion, wrong choice of video of the first single and some horrible filler... | |
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Quite frankly the UK charts stink, so her making it Nr 63 is no big deal. This is a country that have songs like "Bob the Builder" and "Teletubbies" go straight to nr 1. | |
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... BTW, airplay here doesn't indicate the same as it does in the US. It's pretty much just what the stations are told to play.
Example: Shakira's Hips Don't Lie and Christina Aguilera's Dirrty weren't even playlisted on major UK stations but became massive hits anyway. It took ages for stations to respond. They'll pretty much playlist whatever they want. This happened a lot in the late 90s when groups like Steps and S Club weren't "cool" enough for radio stations but they sold loads. | |
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whatsgoingon said: Quite frankly the UK charts stink, so her making it Nr 63 is no big deal. This is a country that have songs like "Bob the Builder" and "Teletubbies" go straight to nr 1.
10 years ago my friend. Hasn't happened in a LONG time, and they were novelty Christmas singles anyway, not autumn album releases. [Edited 10/1/06 15:23pm] | |
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whatsgoingon said: Quite frankly the UK charts stink, so her making it Nr 63 is no big deal. This is a country that have songs like "Bob the Builder" and "Teletubbies" go straight to nr 1.
And the US charts have some shit Disney cd in the top 5 for like the entire year (i forgot the name) and littered with AI contestants. Music is naturally at a low point, it doesn't exist in the UK only. That being said the UK market is much better as far as pop music is concerned, the US market is completely at a stand still. | |
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Yes....High School Musical. That's been in the top 10 in the Billboard top 200 for over a year. I think it recently left but is still selling huge amounts. So no reason to downsize the UK charts when every chart is full of it's own shit. | |
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The reason her album charted so low is soley down to the fact that the direction she's taken her music in the new millenium is uninspired, derivative and boring - the same way mainstreeam chart / radio music has gone in the US.
I was a big fan of all her post Control albums, right up to Velvet Rope which i thought was great. That performed very well in the UK, and it seemed Janet had finally managed to crack Europe. Its been downhill since there, and it has NOTHING to do with the Superbowl. As Ellie said, the only effect that had in this country was that we laughed at the Americans over-reaction to it. After all, the biggest selling newspaper in this country has not one, but two boobies on page three every single day, so a half exposed nipple isnt going to strip her from the airwaves. What I will say is that Janet has failed to inject any new ideas in her music. Janet used to have a monopoly on the pop/ R&B market, but now people like Beyonce & Christina Aguilera do that much better - quite frankly she looks poor in comparison. I listened to her album and my reaction was exactly the same as to Damita Jo and All For You. A couple of nice tracks ( i really like Enjoy), but overall it was the same generic, soul-less, monotonous rubbish that just makes you want to put Control on. I personally dont think its just Janet, I think US mainstream music has lost it. Easy as it is to malign the UK charts, at least there is variety. In the US, whole genres are shut out because of US radio and corporate music policy. | |
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I think Janet is just focusing on the U.S., really.
Is the more urban influence pop even that popular in GB? I would think that Janet and team are not surprised that 20 Y.O. debuted so low on the charts considering she hasn't done any promotion there. I bet they aren't really all that disappointed because I'm sure this low debut was expected. I read though that Janet was on top of the European R&B charts? I don't know if that's true or not. It's strange to me,but I've never been much of a Michael Jackson fan but have been a fan of Janet's for 20 years...lol With all the talk about Michael and Janet, I guess I have always been more of a fan of Prince's, and since Janet's earlier music resembled Prince more than Michael's due to Jam and Lewis' influence, I've always preferred Janet. I only have two of Michael's albums: Off the Wall and Thriller and all of Janet's. (I don't even know where my Michael cd's are.)lol I've just never been a fan of Michael's too much. | |
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Ellie said: It's just so amusing to see how she's totally dropped off the radar here. It's not like she's never been successful here so it's fun to think up reasons
Simple explanation: the album's shit. The first single was shit too, and all wrong. We don't hate Janet here. We just don't like her. But, like the Portuguese, we LOVE her tits. [Edited 10/2/06 5:33am] There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently | |
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Ellie said: I seriously think the airplay think has to do with the shit records she's releasing and not the SB. Or maybe the oft talked about cancelled European tour after 9/11 due to the cited reason of air-security issues but STILL playing Hawaii and Japan. Tonnes of people were well annoyed with her after that.
Fans are very forgiving, so the cancelled 2001 shows are long forgotten. Besides, she had a relatively good reason. The Superbowl incident didn't damage her rep in the UK. We just laughed at the "moral outrage" the incident caused in the US. Had she done it here, she would have been offered a lot of money to show the other tittay in Nuts mag. What HAS damaged her here are the last two albums, and especially the current one. Oh, and the fact that she only seems to promote her new releases in the US and Japan. Talk about giving up! [Edited 10/2/06 5:37am] There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently | |
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Isel said: I think Janet is just focusing on the U.S., really.
And Japan. Is the more urban influence pop even that popular in GB? Yup. We love r 'n' b here in the UK. I would think that Janet and team are not surprised that 20 Y.O. debuted so low on the charts considering she hasn't done any promotion there. I bet they aren't really all that disappointed because I'm sure this low debut was expected. I read though that Janet was on top of the European R&B charts? I don't know if that's true or not.. Top of the European R 'n 'B charts!!!! GOSH!!!! [Edited 10/2/06 5:39am] There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently | |
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Shapeshifter said: Isel said: I think Janet is just focusing on the U.S., really.
And Japan. Is the more urban influence pop even that popular in GB? Yup. We love r 'n' b here in the UK. I would think that Janet and team are not surprised that 20 Y.O. debuted so low on the charts considering she hasn't done any promotion there. I bet they aren't really all that disappointed because I'm sure this low debut was expected. I read though that Janet was on top of the European R&B charts? I don't know if that's true or not.. Top of the European R 'n 'B charts!!!! GOSH!!!! [Edited 10/2/06 5:39am] Well that's better than not being on top of any charts at all. | |
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CrozzaUK said: The reason her album charted so low is soley down to the fact that the direction she's taken her music in the new millenium is uninspired, derivative and boring - the same way mainstreeam chart / radio music has gone in the US.
True. I was a big fan of all her post Control albums, right up to Velvet Rope which i thought was great. That performed very well in the UK, and it seemed Janet had finally managed to crack Europe. Its been downhill since there, and it has NOTHING to do with the Superbowl. As Ellie said, the only effect that had in this country was that we laughed at the Americans over-reaction to it. After all, the biggest selling newspaper in this country has not one, but two boobies on page three every single day, so a half exposed nipple isnt going to strip her from the airwaves. I think all of Janet's albums from Control through to All For You sold very well in Europe. She certainly toured here. What I will say is that Janet has failed to inject any new ideas in her music. Janet used to have a monopoly on the pop/ R&B market, but now people like Beyonce & Christina Aguilera do that much better - quite frankly she looks poor in comparison. True again. Beyonce and Christina A are also much much better singers. Janet's never had that strong a voice, and now it's downright ABSENT. I listened to her album and my reaction was exactly the same as to Damita Jo and All For You. A couple of nice tracks ( i really like Enjoy), but overall it was the same generic, soul-less, monotonous rubbish that just makes you want to put Control on. I think All For You was pretty good, you know, give or take. Damita Jo was poor, and 20 YO is dreadful. I personally dont think its just Janet, I think US mainstream music has lost it. Easy as it is to malign the UK charts, at least there is variety. In the US, whole genres are shut out because of US radio and corporate music policy. I think it IS Janet. She's old enough to know better. She's been having hit albums for the last twenty years and really should be more discerning and certainly more experimental with her sound, instead of chasing after the teenage market. 20 YO is blander than blancmange left out in the rain. I blame her troll and I blame her. Bet you her new tour will have the same old crying routine during the ballad and that fucking embarassing Alice in Munchkinland interlude too. There are three sides to every story. My side, your side, and the truth. And no one is lying. Memories shared serve each one differently | |
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OK, here are Janet's UK certifications for shipped albums only.
"Control" - 300,000 [Platinum] "Control: The Remixes" - 100,000 [Gold] "Rhythm Nation 1814" - 300,000 [Platinum] "janet" - 600,000 [2x Platinum] "Design Of A Decade" - 600,000 [2x Platinum] "The Velvet Rope" - 600,000 [Platinum] "All For You" - 300,000 [Gold] "Damita Jo" - 60,000 [Silver] Not bad but not great. About the same as Mariah really: MARIAH CAREY , Platinum [300,000] EMOTIONS , Platinum [300,000] MTV UNPLUGGED EP , Gold [100,000] MUSIC BOX , 5 x Platinum [1,500,000] MERRY CHRISTMAS , Gold [100,000] DAYDREAM , 2 x Platinum [600,000] BUTTERFLY , Gold [100,000] NO.1'S , Platinum [300,000] RAINBOW , Gold [100,000] CHARMBRACELET , Gold [100,000] GREATEST HITS , Platinum [300,000] THE EMANCIPATION OF MIMI , 2 x Platinum [600,000] | |
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