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Thread started 08/14/02 12:21pm

mistermaxxx

Roots:the Mini series:your thoughts

I have the Full Roots Release on DVD that has been Released&everytime I watch it it still shakes me up unlike anything else I have ever viewed.your thoughts&Reflection on this Historic Mini-Series&the Genius of Alex Hailey.
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Reply #1 posted 08/14/02 5:30pm

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until Band of Brothers, i thought that Roots was the greatest thing ever produced for television. it's still up there.
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Reply #2 posted 08/14/02 6:54pm

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Where to begin...sigh Maybe I can put some coherent thoughts together in my head later about this. As it is, nothing on TV ever affected me as much as the Roots miniseries. It should be required viewing in history classes for ALL school kids after they get out of elementary school. And not just American school kids either.
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Reply #3 posted 08/14/02 6:56pm

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If you think the series is intense, read the book. Way more in-depth and graphic than the series. A long read, but well worth it.
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Reply #4 posted 08/14/02 6:58pm

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soulflower said:

If you think the series is intense, read the book. Way more in-depth and graphic than the series. A long read, but well worth it.

I have the book too. Stashed somewhere.
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Reply #5 posted 08/15/02 12:52am

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Great mini-series, excellent book. However as a scholar in the fields of Race and Ethnic relations the one flaw I found was the way the mini-series ended with the family leaving on their horse and buggy to start a new life. It gave a warm and fuzzy ending to a brutally honest story. The ended somewhat clouded the issues that lay ahead such as racism, job discrimination, lynchings, not being able to vote, etc. etc. etc. The uplifting ending was that spin normally used in productions about race that are targeted at a mass audience, which took away from an otherwise satisfying program.
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Reply #6 posted 08/15/02 1:20am

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DorothyParkerWasCool said:

Great mini-series, excellent book. However as a scholar in the fields of Race and Ethnic relations the one flaw I found was the way the mini-series ended with the family leaving on their horse and buggy to start a new life. It gave a warm and fuzzy ending to a brutally honest story. The ended somewhat clouded the issues that lay ahead such as racism, job discrimination, lynchings, not being able to vote, etc. etc. etc. The uplifting ending was that spin normally used in productions about race that are targeted at a mass audience, which took away from an otherwise satisfying program.


Yeah, where were they going to live "Free" and happy at in USA?

Read the book recently and it's one of the best.
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Reply #7 posted 08/15/02 4:35am

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I remember when I first saw roots as a youngster in the 70's. My parents, I and my siblings watched it all. Like many families of color, we watched it together. I could never understand why my ancestors were treated that way and as a child it really made me think about the inhumanity of it and gave me a look at what our people had to go through. It seriously had an impact, in school slavery was not discussed fully in the text books though. When I was in the 5th grade, I remember there being perhaps what? a couple of sentences maybe a half a paragraph about slavery? I even remember the look on my teachers face when she read from the book, she had a look of sadness mixed with a bit of embarrasment.

When Roots came out on television it let us know in drama fashion how persons suffered as Slaves, it gave us a picture of that awful time in history. That Mini Series is a very important part of our history. I agree that the end was not as "accurate" as far as what was to come afterwards but it was an ending. Roots is still one of the most thought provoking, emotion filling series of our time.
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Reply #8 posted 08/15/02 9:26am

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ain't seen "roots" in a while...that wuz a really good mini-series, 2...biggrin
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Reply #9 posted 08/15/02 12:32pm

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DorothyParkerWasCool said:

Great mini-series, excellent book. However as a scholar in the fields of Race and Ethnic relations the one flaw I found was the way the mini-series ended with the family leaving on their horse and buggy to start a new life. It gave a warm and fuzzy ending to a brutally honest story. The ended somewhat clouded the issues that lay ahead such as racism, job discrimination, lynchings, not being able to vote, etc. etc. etc. The uplifting ending was that spin normally used in productions about race that are targeted at a mass audience, which took away from an otherwise satisfying program.

This is the first time I've heard anyone say it took away from the series, and I can't agree that it does. I didn't feel or see anything exactly uplifting about it really. It left everything to our imaginations - because we KNOW there was no real equality afterwards, and Alex Haley knew it too, but the way it ended didn't convey any warm and fuzzy feelings to me, or anyone else I knew that talked about it. The challenges ahead would be a little bit different, and there were some challenges where it became; the more things change, the more they stay the same. Warm and fuzzy? I never got that feeling at all.
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Reply #10 posted 08/15/02 1:35pm

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Absolutely amazing series. I was only about 13 when it came out. It was a real eye-opener. If interested, read the book. It is a literary masterpiece!
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Reply #11 posted 08/15/02 1:55pm

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Supernova said:

DorothyParkerWasCool said:

Great mini-series, excellent book. However as a scholar in the fields of Race and Ethnic relations the one flaw I found was the way the mini-series ended with the family leaving on their horse and buggy to start a new life. It gave a warm and fuzzy ending to a brutally honest story. The ended somewhat clouded the issues that lay ahead such as racism, job discrimination, lynchings, not being able to vote, etc. etc. etc. The uplifting ending was that spin normally used in productions about race that are targeted at a mass audience, which took away from an otherwise satisfying program.

This is the first time I've heard anyone say it took away from the series, and I can't agree that it does. I didn't feel or see anything exactly uplifting about it really. It left everything to our imaginations - because we KNOW there was no real equality afterwards, and Alex Haley knew it too, but the way it ended didn't convey any warm and fuzzy feelings to me, or anyone else I knew that talked about it. The challenges ahead would be a little bit different, and there were some challenges where it became; the more things change, the more they stay the same. Warm and fuzzy? I never got that feeling at all.


Well I can't argue with you on this point because I'm speaking from the perspective of a Social Scientist that studies Race and Ethnic relations. There are numerous videos on depictions of race in the media that discuss the ending of Roots and the overall consensus is that this type of ending and films like Remember the Titans are used to show that race was bad, however after the tough times we are all able to enjoy the American dream, and this is totally inaccurate. I could care less if it gave you a warm and fuzzy feeling or not. See that is the flaw in your arguement when dealing with issues on mass you can never say I, or my friends, or the people I know.
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Reply #12 posted 08/15/02 2:57pm

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DorothyParkerWasCool said:

Supernova said:

DorothyParkerWasCool said:

Great mini-series, excellent book. However as a scholar in the fields of Race and Ethnic relations the one flaw I found was the way the mini-series ended with the family leaving on their horse and buggy to start a new life. It gave a warm and fuzzy ending to a brutally honest story. The ended somewhat clouded the issues that lay ahead such as racism, job discrimination, lynchings, not being able to vote, etc. etc. etc. The uplifting ending was that spin normally used in productions about race that are targeted at a mass audience, which took away from an otherwise satisfying program.

This is the first time I've heard anyone say it took away from the series, and I can't agree that it does. I didn't feel or see anything exactly uplifting about it really. It left everything to our imaginations - because we KNOW there was no real equality afterwards, and Alex Haley knew it too, but the way it ended didn't convey any warm and fuzzy feelings to me, or anyone else I knew that talked about it. The challenges ahead would be a little bit different, and there were some challenges where it became; the more things change, the more they stay the same. Warm and fuzzy? I never got that feeling at all.


Well I can't argue with you on this point because I'm speaking from the perspective of a Social Scientist that studies Race and Ethnic relations. There are numerous videos on depictions of race in the media that discuss the ending of Roots and the overall consensus is that this type of ending and films like Remember the Titans are used to show that race was bad, however after the tough times we are all able to enjoy the American dream, and this is totally inaccurate. I could care less if it gave you a warm and fuzzy feeling or not. See that is the flaw in your arguement when dealing with issues on mass you can never say I, or my friends, or the people I know.

Sure I can say it, because I'm speaking from my experience, just as you're speaking from yours. No need to get uptight about the whole thing. That conveys something.
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Reply #13 posted 08/15/02 3:02pm

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DorothyParkerWasCool said:

Supernova said:

DorothyParkerWasCool said:

Great mini-series, excellent book. However as a scholar in the fields of Race and Ethnic relations the one flaw I found was the way the mini-series ended with the family leaving on their horse and buggy to start a new life. It gave a warm and fuzzy ending to a brutally honest story. The ended somewhat clouded the issues that lay ahead such as racism, job discrimination, lynchings, not being able to vote, etc. etc. etc. The uplifting ending was that spin normally used in productions about race that are targeted at a mass audience, which took away from an otherwise satisfying program.

This is the first time I've heard anyone say it took away from the series, and I can't agree that it does. I didn't feel or see anything exactly uplifting about it really. It left everything to our imaginations - because we KNOW there was no real equality afterwards, and Alex Haley knew it too, but the way it ended didn't convey any warm and fuzzy feelings to me, or anyone else I knew that talked about it. The challenges ahead would be a little bit different, and there were some challenges where it became; the more things change, the more they stay the same. Warm and fuzzy? I never got that feeling at all.


Well I can't argue with you on this point because I'm speaking from the perspective of a Social Scientist that studies Race and Ethnic relations. There are numerous videos on depictions of race in the media that discuss the ending of Roots and the overall consensus is that this type of ending and films like Remember the Titans are used to show that race was bad, however after the tough times we are all able to enjoy the American dream, and this is totally inaccurate. I could care less if it gave you a warm and fuzzy feeling or not. See that is the flaw in your arguement when dealing with issues on mass you can never say I, or my friends, or the people I know.

And by the way, some of the people I referred to are those in your field too. Which is partly why I gave a contrary opinion. Like it or not, I'll post it if I feel the urge to.
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Reply #14 posted 08/15/02 4:16pm

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Supernova said:

DorothyParkerWasCool said:

Supernova said:

DorothyParkerWasCool said:

Great mini-series, excellent book. However as a scholar in the fields of Race and Ethnic relations the one flaw I found was the way the mini-series ended with the family leaving on their horse and buggy to start a new life. It gave a warm and fuzzy ending to a brutally honest story. The ended somewhat clouded the issues that lay ahead such as racism, job discrimination, lynchings, not being able to vote, etc. etc. etc. The uplifting ending was that spin normally used in productions about race that are targeted at a mass audience, which took away from an otherwise satisfying program.

This is the first time I've heard anyone say it took away from the series, and I can't agree that it does. I didn't feel or see anything exactly uplifting about it really. It left everything to our imaginations - because we KNOW there was no real equality afterwards, and Alex Haley knew it too, but the way it ended didn't convey any warm and fuzzy feelings to me, or anyone else I knew that talked about it. The challenges ahead would be a little bit different, and there were some challenges where it became; the more things change, the more they stay the same. Warm and fuzzy? I never got that feeling at all.


Well I can't argue with you on this point because I'm speaking from the perspective of a Social Scientist that studies Race and Ethnic relations. There are numerous videos on depictions of race in the media that discuss the ending of Roots and the overall consensus is that this type of ending and films like Remember the Titans are used to show that race was bad, however after the tough times we are all able to enjoy the American dream, and this is totally inaccurate. I could care less if it gave you a warm and fuzzy feeling or not. See that is the flaw in your arguement when dealing with issues on mass you can never say I, or my friends, or the people I know.

And by the way, some of the people I referred to are those in your field too. Which is partly why I gave a contrary opinion. Like it or not, I'll post it if I feel the urge to.


In that case you should be the first to know that the people I know, my experience argument has no validity. I was not speaking about my personal experience, I was speaking from a mass media and American culture standpoint. I will tell you what all social scientist tell their students. Never use an in "in my experience", "people I know" etc. statements when talking about the way something impacts society or mas culture. That argument has no validity. That is the equivalent of saying that all black people I know can dance, or all Asian people I know practice martial arts, those blanket generalizations are inaccurate. Now if you are simply stating that to you the ending did not take away from the plot that's fine, however when you try to say that my statements are inaccurate based on your experience you are wrong. Your argument is based on personal experience, my argument is base on societal perceptions and years of literature about race and media specifically this program.
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Reply #15 posted 08/15/02 4:30pm

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Supernova said:

DorothyParkerWasCool said:

Great mini-series, excellent book. However as a scholar in the fields of Race and Ethnic relations the one flaw I found was the way the mini-series ended with the family leaving on their horse and buggy to start a new life. It gave a warm and fuzzy ending to a brutally honest story. The ended somewhat clouded the issues that lay ahead such as racism, job discrimination, lynchings, not being able to vote, etc. etc. etc. The uplifting ending was that spin normally used in productions about race that are targeted at a mass audience, which took away from an otherwise satisfying program.

This is the first time I've heard anyone say it took away from the series, and I can't agree that it does. I didn't feel or see anything exactly uplifting about it really. It left everything to our imaginations - because we KNOW there was no real equality afterwards, and Alex Haley knew it too, but the way it ended didn't convey any warm and fuzzy feelings to me, or anyone else I knew that talked about it. The challenges ahead would be a little bit different, and there were some challenges where it became; the more things change, the more they stay the same. Warm and fuzzy? I never got that feeling at all.


By the way the statement you made in the abovementioned post proves the point I'm trying to make about the fallacy in your statements. The major flaw is you statement "because we Know there was no real equality afterwards". You are speaking from the standpoint of someone that has an understanding of American history or as someone that may be sympathetic to the plight of Af. Americans. However, that is not the consensus in this country hence the continued problems of race in American society. It is important to mention the hardships that faced the characters in the future because leaving it as hopefull validates the beliefs of someone that may be a white supremacists thinking that blacks had opportunities and they squandered them. This ending left the viewer assuming that they learned the true American history and they understand that Af. Americans problems did not end after slavery. That is why so many people say things like slavery ended over 100 years ago get over it and other idiotic remarks like that. I understand that you may have an understanding on race in America. However, everyone is not on your level therefore when potraying the events of American history to shed light on a non-white groups experience you must explain all occurances in explicit terms. Everyone doesn't know or comprehend the difficulties that Af. Americans faced after slavery. Segregation, unemployment, lack of education, not voting, poor healthcare, lynching, drugs in urban communities, racial steering, living in ghettos, over representation in prisons, poor job opportunities, etc. these are the real issues and that ending whitewashed it all in a mind that wants to somehow feel a little less guilty after watching the program.
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Reply #16 posted 08/15/02 4:55pm

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DorothyParkerWasCool said:

Supernova said:

DorothyParkerWasCool said:

Great mini-series, excellent book. However as a scholar in the fields of Race and Ethnic relations the one flaw I found was the way the mini-series ended with the family leaving on their horse and buggy to start a new life. It gave a warm and fuzzy ending to a brutally honest story. The ended somewhat clouded the issues that lay ahead such as racism, job discrimination, lynchings, not being able to vote, etc. etc. etc. The uplifting ending was that spin normally used in productions about race that are targeted at a mass audience, which took away from an otherwise satisfying program.

This is the first time I've heard anyone say it took away from the series, and I can't agree that it does. I didn't feel or see anything exactly uplifting about it really. It left everything to our imaginations - because we KNOW there was no real equality afterwards, and Alex Haley knew it too, but the way it ended didn't convey any warm and fuzzy feelings to me, or anyone else I knew that talked about it. The challenges ahead would be a little bit different, and there were some challenges where it became; the more things change, the more they stay the same. Warm and fuzzy? I never got that feeling at all.


By the way the statement you made in the abovementioned post proves the point I'm trying to make about the fallacy in your statements. The major flaw is you statement "because we Know there was no real equality afterwards". You are speaking from the standpoint of someone that has an understanding of American history or as someone that may be sympathetic to the plight of Af. Americans. However, that is not the consensus in this country hence the continued problems of race in American society. It is important to mention the hardships that faced the characters in the future because leaving it as hopefull validates the beliefs of someone that may be a white supremacists thinking that blacks had opportunities and they squandered them. This ending left the viewer assuming that they learned the true American history and they understand that Af. Americans problems did not end after slavery. That is why so many people say things like slavery ended over 100 years ago get over it and other idiotic remarks like that. I understand that you may have an understanding on race in America. However, everyone is not on your level therefore when potraying the events of American history to shed light on a non-white groups experience you must explain all occurances in explicit terms. Everyone doesn't know or comprehend the difficulties that Af. Americans faced after slavery. Segregation, unemployment, lack of education, not voting, poor healthcare, lynching, drugs in urban communities, racial steering, living in ghettos, over representation in prisons, poor job opportunities, etc. these are the real issues and that ending whitewashed it all in a mind that wants to somehow feel a little less guilty after watching the program.
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Reply #17 posted 08/15/02 5:28pm

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DorothyParkerWasCool said:

In that case you should be the first to know that the people I know, my experience argument has no validity. I was not speaking about my personal experience, I was speaking from a mass media and American culture standpoint. I will tell you what all social scientist tell their students. Never use an in "in my experience", "people I know" etc. statements when talking about the way something impacts society or mas culture. That argument has no validity. That is the equivalent of saying that all black people I know can dance, or all Asian people I know practice martial arts,

No. Your jumping to conclusions that have NOTHING to do with what I said. Your analogy of generalizing is way off base and holds no weight, because your only basing your opinion of the isolated phrase in my experience - I didn't leave it at that. My argument does indeed have validity because I explained it later on in a different post.

Your argument is based on personal experience,

Not entirely. If you read my subsequent post I made that clear.

You are speaking from the standpoint of someone that has an understanding of American history or as someone that may be sympathetic to the plight of Af. Americans.

Tsk, tsk. Such assumptions leave you in the dark. Your leaping to the point of deducing nothing that said.

It is important to mention the hardships that faced the characters in the future because leaving it as hopefull validates the beliefs of someone that may be a white supremacists thinking that blacks had opportunities and they squandered them. This ending left the viewer assuming that they learned the true American history and they understand that Af. Americans problems did not end after slavery.

Those two statements not only seem to be contradictory, but you're flat out making the assumption that your perception was/is shared by all who watched it. I'm here to tell you it's not. My main and specific point in my initial response to you was that NOT everybody saw it the way you did. And I'm also talking about others in your field too.

That is why so many people say things like slavery ended over 100 years ago get over it and other idiotic remarks like that. I understand that you may have an understanding on race in America. However, everyone is not on your level therefore when potraying the events of American history to shed light on a non-white groups experience you must explain all occurances in explicit terms. Everyone doesn't know or comprehend the difficulties that Af. Americans faced after slavery. Segregation, unemployment, lack of education, not voting, poor healthcare, lynching, drugs in urban communities, racial steering, living in ghettos, over representation in prisons, poor job opportunities, etc. these are the real issues and that ending whitewashed it all in a mind that wants to somehow feel a little less guilty after watching the program.

That's on point, and believe me when I say I understand it and I'm in agreement.
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By the way, are we all talking about the first Roots miniseries in 1977, or Roots: The Next Generation in 1979?
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Reply #19 posted 08/15/02 6:00pm

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damn...another wellbeyond-like arguement...:LOL:


interesting enough...I have never seen the miniseries or read the book...

ihave however see Beloved...and there is no happy ending for those characters (which many people complained about)..i thought this was the truest representation of life after slavery i have ever seen...the painthese people must have faced (from within) must have been unbearable...
i have told myself to read the book..maybe ill go get it afterwork...and roots too..
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Reply #20 posted 08/15/02 7:41pm

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Supernova said:

DorothyParkerWasCool said:

Supernova said:

DorothyParkerWasCool said:

Great mini-series, excellent book. However as a scholar in the fields of Race and Ethnic relations the one flaw I found was the way the mini-series ended with the family leaving on their horse and buggy to start a new life. It gave a warm and fuzzy ending to a brutally honest story. The ended somewhat clouded the issues that lay ahead such as racism, job discrimination, lynchings, not being able to vote, etc. etc. etc. The uplifting ending was that spin normally used in productions about race that are targeted at a mass audience, which took away from an otherwise satisfying program.

This is the first time I've heard anyone say it took away from the series, and I can't agree that it does. I didn't feel or see anything exactly uplifting about it really. It left everything to our imaginations - because we KNOW there was no real equality afterwards, and Alex Haley knew it too, but the way it ended didn't convey any warm and fuzzy feelings to me, or anyone else I knew that talked about it. The challenges ahead would be a little bit different, and there were some challenges where it became; the more things change, the more they stay the same. Warm and fuzzy? I never got that feeling at all.


Well I can't argue with you on this point because I'm speaking from the perspective of a Social Scientist that studies Race and Ethnic relations. There are numerous videos on depictions of race in the media that discuss the ending of Roots and the overall consensus is that this type of ending and films like Remember the Titans are used to show that race was bad, however after the tough times we are all able to enjoy the American dream, and this is totally inaccurate. I could care less if it gave you a warm and fuzzy feeling or not. See that is the flaw in your arguement when dealing with issues on mass you can never say I, or my friends, or the people I know.

Sure I can say it, because I'm speaking from my experience, just as you're speaking from yours. No need to get uptight about the whole thing. That conveys something.


I was referring to the last remark on this line when I say where you get your generalization or opinion from.
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Reply #21 posted 08/15/02 7:55pm

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Supernova said:

DorothyParkerWasCool said:

In that case you should be the first to know that the people I know, my experience argument has no validity. I was not speaking about my personal experience, I was speaking from a mass media and American culture standpoint. I will tell you what all social scientist tell their students. Never use an in "in my experience", "people I know" etc. statements when talking about the way something impacts society or mas culture. That argument has no validity. That is the equivalent of saying that all black people I know can dance, or all Asian people I know practice martial arts,

No. Your jumping to conclusions that have NOTHING to do with what I said. Your analogy of generalizing is way off base and holds no weight, because your only basing your opinion of the isolated phrase in my experience - I didn't leave it at that. My argument does indeed have validity because I explained it later on in a different post.

Your argument is based on personal experience,

Not entirely. If you read my subsequent post I made that clear.

You are speaking from the standpoint of someone that has an understanding of American history or as someone that may be sympathetic to the plight of Af. Americans.

Tsk, tsk. Such assumptions leave you in the dark. Your leaping to the point of deducing nothing that said.

It is important to mention the hardships that faced the characters in the future because leaving it as hopefull validates the beliefs of someone that may be a white supremacists thinking that blacks had opportunities and they squandered them. This ending left the viewer assuming that they learned the true American history and they understand that Af. Americans problems did not end after slavery.

Those two statements not only seem to be contradictory, but you're flat out making the assumption that your perception was/is shared by all who watched it. I'm here to tell you it's not. My main and specific point in my initial response to you was that NOT everybody saw it the way you did. And I'm also talking about others in your field too.

That is why so many people say things like slavery ended over 100 years ago get over it and other idiotic remarks like that. I understand that you may have an understanding on race in America. However, everyone is not on your level therefore when potraying the events of American history to shed light on a non-white groups experience you must explain all occurances in explicit terms. Everyone doesn't know or comprehend the difficulties that Af. Americans faced after slavery. Segregation, unemployment, lack of education, not voting, poor healthcare, lynching, drugs in urban communities, racial steering, living in ghettos, over representation in prisons, poor job opportunities, etc. these are the real issues and that ending whitewashed it all in a mind that wants to somehow feel a little less guilty after watching the program.

That's on point, and believe me when I say I understand it and I'm in agreement.


Well I'm happy that you agreed, its too bad that we had to discuss this on a message board, I would love to have you sitting in one of my classes. I would definitely put you on the hot seat. It's impossible to convey this on a message board, however if you are interested in learning more about where I'm coming from in this discussion I would be more than willing to recommend literature on these issues. The main point I was making is be careful assuming that everyone else is on your level or your friends level etc., because when you really deal with the masses you will find some very unique viewpoints. Furthermore the reason I focused on your post about you, and the people I know etc. is the same reason why I get on my students. Think about it if we are generous in assuming that most people know 50 people, we have to take under consideration that most of those individuals will come from similar peer groups, soci-economic standing, parts of the country, educational standing, ethnicity, religion, similar political beliefs etc. because we congregate with people that are like us. Therefore when we state the me or most people I know we are talking about people who's walk of life are the same and viewpoints are similar. Think about it if I know 50 people and I try to use this to compare the mindsets of Americans, there is a major problem. 50 is no where near over 250 million people. Thats where the argument loses its weight. I'm just making this clear for future reference.
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DorothyParkerWasCool said:

Well I'm happy that you agreed, its too bad that we had to discuss this on a message board, I would love to have you sitting in one of my classes. I would definitely put you on the hot seat. It's impossible to convey this on a message board, however if you are interested in learning more about where I'm coming from in this discussion I would be more than willing to recommend literature on these issues. The main point I was making is be careful assuming that everyone else is on your level or your friends level etc., because when you really deal with the masses you will find some very unique viewpoints. Furthermore the reason I focused on your post about you, and the people I know etc. is the same reason why I get on my students. Think about it if we are generous in assuming that most people know 50 people, we have to take under consideration that most of those individuals will come from similar peer groups, soci-economic standing, parts of the country, educational standing, ethnicity, religion, similar political beliefs etc. because we congregate with people that are like us. Therefore when we state the me or most people I know we are talking about people who's walk of life are the same and viewpoints are similar. Think about it if I know 50 people and I try to use this to compare the mindsets of Americans, there is a major problem. 50 is no where near over 250 million people. Thats where the argument loses its weight. I'm just making this clear for future reference.

You misunderstood me. When I said I know people who didn't feel that way about the movie, I didn't mean JUST my peer group. I was talking about people in your field. College proffessors, writers and authors. Some of whom I took Black History classes from in college. But of course, everybody doesn't see the same thing in the same way. And if memory serves me, even some people criticized Haley for what they called "fictional" accounts of some aspects of the story. But I think that type of criticism is going to happen to any Black writer who undertakes such a massive historical miniseries for the whole world to see.
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Reply #23 posted 08/16/02 10:33pm

Bladerunner

Roots is definitely intense. It's the 25th anniversary of the series. Is the full release just one DVD or multiple DVD's?
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Reply #24 posted 08/17/02 11:51pm

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Id rather watch Purple Rain or watch cheese mold grow. Either one is fine by me!
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Reply #25 posted 08/19/02 3:28am

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funkbible said:[quote]Id rather watch Purple Rain or watch cheese mold grow. Either one is fine by me![/quot

whateva!


Roots was the first time American as a country looked at slavery and racism as a whole. I don't think anything changed because of it but it had people talking.
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