I am just hearing Invincible for the first time right now as we speak. It's a great album. It figures that this would be the one that didn't sale as well. Go figure. He put aside all of that bibble gum pop crap and gets back to his more R&B roots and nobody ran out to buy it.

Cloudbuster said:

Oh please, the N'Sync song is called 'The Game is Over'. Sounds exactly like Heartbreaker, and was released first.

Why is it that every time someone says something that you all perceive to be negative about MJ, you all run to attack another artist? I've seen it happen time and again on this board.

Madonna makes songs that sound like N'Sync?

mikek1 said:

Yep, I heard that story. He was still thinking 100 million albums with 'Dangerous' as well. Someone who was constantly thinking along those lines even though he had already achieved the best selling album of all time, was obviously prepare to compromise to the extreme, and Michael did. In the end it wasn't worth it, considering his older material gets a lot more love than Dangerous, History, Bad and Vince.b

Am I the only one who doesn't like the idea of MJ going for an urban sound? And since when is R&B his roots? "I Want You Back" and "ABC" were classic pop songs. They were 100%, true blue, pop records. His roots are in pop. I don't care if ya'll think pop is cheesy and plastic. I do too. But at the moment I am so craving for a super-catchy bubble gum pop hit.

I hated Britney Spears and Nsync when they came out. I was totally against how plastic and manufactured they were. But now when I listen to "Baby One More Time" I think 'holy shit! I actually like this', and it's because there hasn't been a great pop song like that for 5-6 years. This whole decade has been bubble-gum-less, and I can't stand it. People are realising that the last few years have been absolutely shithouse for music, but they can't figure out why. Most people think we need more indie, alternative stuff to get the music industry back on track. That's bullshit. We need some motherfucking hits!

When you look back on the last 50 years of music, you don't remember the bullshit alternative crap that some guy living in his mother's basement made on a cheapo 8-track. You remember the pop mega-hits. "Johnny B Goode", "Jailhouse Rock", "She Loves You", "I'm A Believer", "Baby Love", "ABC", "Dancing Queen", "Stayin Alive", "Billie Jean", "Like A Virgin", "Can't Touch This", "Wannabe", "Baby One More Time"... that's what people remember as the songs that shaped rock/pop music of the last 50+ years.

So fuck the roots, fuck artistic expression, fuck all the shit that we've been taught makes a great artist. When makes a great artist in my opinion is hits. You can slag on the pop mega-hits of the last 50 years as much as you want. But the truth is that history shows people loves super-catchy pop mega-hits. Not some bullshit alternative song some hippie made when they were on an acid trip.

Michael, I want to hear some bubble-gum pop that will be remembered in 20 years time, not some street jam that people will hear one week and forget about the next. Bring on the cheese!!

SoulAlive said:

Says the Madonna fan. You get more hilarious with each passing day.

Nothing's more hilarious than the MJ fans who are in denial

These types of threads are classic,lol.

SoulAlive said:

scorp84 said:

Hip Hop IS music, whether you like it or not.

Am I the only one who doesn't like the idea of MJ going for an urban sound? And since when is R&B his roots? "I Want You Back" and "ABC" were classic pop songs. They were 100%, true blue, pop records. His roots are in pop. I don't care if ya'll think pop is cheesy and plastic. I do too. But at the moment I am so craving for a super-catchy bubble gum pop hit.

I hated Britney Spears and Nsync when they came out. I was totally against how plastic and manufactured they were. But now when I listen to "Baby One More Time" I think 'holy shit! I actually like this', and it's because there hasn't been a great pop song like that for 5-6 years. This whole decade has been bubble-gum-less, and I can't stand it. People are realising that the last few years have been absolutely shithouse for music, but they can't figure out why. Most people think we need more indie, alternative stuff to get the music industry back on track. That's bullshit. We need some motherfucking hits!

When you look back on the last 50 years of music, you don't remember the bullshit alternative crap that some guy living in his mother's basement made on a cheapo 8-track. You remember the pop mega-hits. "Johnny B Goode", "Jailhouse Rock", "She Loves You", "I'm A Believer", "Baby Love", "ABC", "Dancing Queen", "Stayin Alive", "Billie Jean", "Like A Virgin", "Can't Touch This", "Wannabe", "Baby One More Time"... that's what people remember as the songs that shaped rock/pop music of the last 50+ years.

So fuck the roots, fuck artistic expression, fuck all the shit that we've been taught makes a great artist. When makes a great artist in my opinion is hits. You can slag on the pop mega-hits of the last 50 years as much as you want. But the truth is that history shows people loves super-catchy pop mega-hits. Not some bullshit alternative song some hippie made when they were on an acid trip.

Michael, I want to hear some bubble-gum pop that will be remembered in 20 years time, not some street jam that people will hear one week and forget about the next. Bring on the cheese!!

DarlingDiana said:

I disagree. The Motown hits were pop oriented but these were still SOUL songs and it was still soul music. As his solo career matured he grew into a soul artist capable of making pop songs. Like Prince he had the gift of walking the fine line between R&B/Soul " I can't Help It" and pop "most of the video tracks on Thriller" Off the wall is still remembered. Put on "Rock With You" at a club and people will know that song and start dancing. Are you trying to say, if it's not pop people won’t remember it? Nobody is talking about Dancing Queen. Maybe the drag or gay scene, maybe, but that’s special interest.

As far as the kind of music you want to hear, you have a right to hear whatever you want. I'm just expressing the same desire. I miss Mike when he had a little more soul. The music you listen to sometimes reflects what kind of personality or lifestyle you live. I'm real so I want to hear real music. I don't always want to hear something that is aimed at the radio and created for a video and dance sequence just to make money. These songs can be good also, but I like music that comes from the heart.

Meloh9 said:

What I'm saying is Michael needs to make hit songs, and I don't think he can do that if he's trying to be "edgy". It's all about the hits.

DarlingDiana said:

I don't agree.I couldn't imagine Michael singing "Love" and I couldn't imagine that song being a hit - whether Prince or Michael released it.

There was talk of Invincible being "hip-hop" and Rodney Jerkins was hyping it up big time... but the only remotely hip-hop sounding song on the album was Unbreakable.

I don't mind Michael making a more contemporary sounding album... but I don't like the sound of a "party record" as one of the producers put it. He's 48 for Christ's sake. A party record will look just as ridiculous as Heartbreaker did when he was singing about "come-get-me thighs".
[Edited 10/6/06 0:36am]

That's nothing compared to this lame publicity stunt


a fake marriage designed to save his ruined image