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Reply #90 posted 10/05/06 3:47am

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Meloh9 said:

I am just hearing Invincible for the first time right now as we speak. It's a great album. It figures that this would be the one that didn't sale as well. Go figure. He put aside all of that bibble gum pop crap and gets back to his more R&B roots and nobody ran out to buy it.


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Reply #91 posted 10/05/06 4:02am

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Axchi696 said:

Cloudbuster said:

Says the Madonna fan. falloff You get more hilarious with each passing day. lol



Oh please, the N'Sync song is called 'The Game is Over'. Sounds exactly like Heartbreaker, and was released first.

Why is it that every time someone says something that you all perceive to be negative about MJ, you all run to attack another artist? I've seen it happen time and again on this board.


Oh please, my comment was about Mike being criticized for doing nothing different than what Madonna does.
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Reply #92 posted 10/05/06 4:11am

SoulAlive

Madonna makes songs that sound like N'Sync? confuse
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Reply #93 posted 10/05/06 4:12am

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SoulAlive said:

Madonna makes songs that sound like N'Sync? confuse


rolleyes
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Reply #94 posted 10/05/06 4:38am

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Do you know about the 'bad' story? MJ wanted to sell 100 million albums; he was dissapointed he didn't.

Yep, I heard that story. He was still thinking 100 million albums with 'Dangerous' as well. Someone who was constantly thinking along those lines even though he had already achieved the best selling album of all time, was obviously prepare to compromise to the extreme, and Michael did. In the end it wasn't worth it, considering his older material gets a lot more love than Dangerous, History, Bad and Vince.b



When he was recording the 'Bad' album,he wrote the words "80 Million Copies" on a piece of paper and taped it to his mirror.So each day when he woke up and looked in the mirror,those words were supposed to "inspire" him rolleyes When selling alot of records is your main goal,you become less of an artist,imo.You become afraid to branch out and try new things,afraid to alienate your audience.
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Reply #95 posted 10/05/06 4:42am

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Am I the only one who doesn't like the idea of MJ going for an urban sound? And since when is R&B his roots? "I Want You Back" and "ABC" were classic pop songs. They were 100%, true blue, pop records. His roots are in pop. I don't care if ya'll think pop is cheesy and plastic. I do too. But at the moment I am so craving for a super-catchy bubble gum pop hit.

I hated Britney Spears and Nsync when they came out. I was totally against how plastic and manufactured they were. But now when I listen to "Baby One More Time" I think 'holy shit! I actually like this', and it's because there hasn't been a great pop song like that for 5-6 years. This whole decade has been bubble-gum-less, and I can't stand it. People are realising that the last few years have been absolutely shithouse for music, but they can't figure out why. Most people think we need more indie, alternative stuff to get the music industry back on track. That's bullshit. We need some motherfucking hits!

When you look back on the last 50 years of music, you don't remember the bullshit alternative crap that some guy living in his mother's basement made on a cheapo 8-track. You remember the pop mega-hits. "Johnny B Goode", "Jailhouse Rock", "She Loves You", "I'm A Believer", "Baby Love", "ABC", "Dancing Queen", "Stayin Alive", "Billie Jean", "Like A Virgin", "Can't Touch This", "Wannabe", "Baby One More Time"... that's what people remember as the songs that shaped rock/pop music of the last 50+ years.

So fuck the roots, fuck artistic expression, fuck all the shit that we've been taught makes a great artist. When makes a great artist in my opinion is hits. You can slag on the pop mega-hits of the last 50 years as much as you want. But the truth is that history shows people loves super-catchy pop mega-hits. Not some bullshit alternative song some hippie made when they were on an acid trip.

Michael, I want to hear some bubble-gum pop that will be remembered in 20 years time, not some street jam that people will hear one week and forget about the next. Bring on the cheese!!


oh my god lol falloff thumbs up!
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Reply #96 posted 10/05/06 4:46am

SoulAlive

Cloudbuster said:

SoulAlive said:



I agree.When I first heard "Heartbreaker",I thought "this sounds like something you would find on an N'Sync album!" disbelief


Says the Madonna fan. falloff You get more hilarious with each passing day. lol


Nothing's more hilarious than the MJ fans who are in denial lol

These types of threads are classic,lol.
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Reply #97 posted 10/05/06 4:50am

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SoulAlive said:

Nothing's more hilarious than the MJ fans who are in denial lol

These types of threads are classic,lol.


What exactly am I in denial about?
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Reply #98 posted 10/05/06 5:05am

DarlingDiana

I think with MJ's new album we should expect songs like Prince's "Love". If beautiful typical-MJ melodies are going to put over urban street beats (as the article suggests) then the product will be something very similiar to "Love". Damn... "Love" should've so been a Michael Jackson song. But I think what will really happen is that Michael's going to be making some edgy hardcore street tracks and then watch Bambi or some shit and go back to his good old self and make another album of catchy beats, soaring ballads, peace ballads and pleads for privacy.
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Reply #99 posted 10/05/06 7:25am

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SoulAlive said:

LightOfArt said:

hiphop producer rolleyes

we're so excited for more midtempo shit with lame beats neutral


I don't know why he keeps collaborating with producers who normally produce hip-hop artists.In 2003,there was talk of him working with Irv Gotti of Murder Inc! Why is he obsessed with making "music" (and I use that term loosely) that's better suited for rappers?


Exactly! He can keep that shit.....



We're going to learn a new word today. Can you say sell out boys and girls?
Andy is a four letter word.
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Reply #100 posted 10/05/06 7:32am

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scorp84 said:

Hip Hop IS music, whether you like it or not.


No it's not. It used to be music but most of it for the last 15 years has been nothing but a boring stripped down midtempo weak drum machine beat (that just barely taps) with either some talking or overdramatic singing over it.
Andy is a four letter word.
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Reply #101 posted 10/05/06 9:25am

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DarlingDiana said:

Am I the only one who doesn't like the idea of MJ going for an urban sound? And since when is R&B his roots? "I Want You Back" and "ABC" were classic pop songs. They were 100%, true blue, pop records. His roots are in pop. I don't care if ya'll think pop is cheesy and plastic. I do too. But at the moment I am so craving for a super-catchy bubble gum pop hit.

I hated Britney Spears and Nsync when they came out. I was totally against how plastic and manufactured they were. But now when I listen to "Baby One More Time" I think 'holy shit! I actually like this', and it's because there hasn't been a great pop song like that for 5-6 years. This whole decade has been bubble-gum-less, and I can't stand it. People are realising that the last few years have been absolutely shithouse for music, but they can't figure out why. Most people think we need more indie, alternative stuff to get the music industry back on track. That's bullshit. We need some motherfucking hits!

When you look back on the last 50 years of music, you don't remember the bullshit alternative crap that some guy living in his mother's basement made on a cheapo 8-track. You remember the pop mega-hits. "Johnny B Goode", "Jailhouse Rock", "She Loves You", "I'm A Believer", "Baby Love", "ABC", "Dancing Queen", "Stayin Alive", "Billie Jean", "Like A Virgin", "Can't Touch This", "Wannabe", "Baby One More Time"... that's what people remember as the songs that shaped rock/pop music of the last 50+ years.

So fuck the roots, fuck artistic expression, fuck all the shit that we've been taught makes a great artist. When makes a great artist in my opinion is hits. You can slag on the pop mega-hits of the last 50 years as much as you want. But the truth is that history shows people loves super-catchy pop mega-hits. Not some bullshit alternative song some hippie made when they were on an acid trip.

Michael, I want to hear some bubble-gum pop that will be remembered in 20 years time, not some street jam that people will hear one week and forget about the next. Bring on the cheese!!




I disagree. The Motown hits were pop oriented but these were still SOUL songs and it was still soul music. As his solo career matured he grew into a soul artist capable of making pop songs. Like Prince he had the gift of walking the fine line between R&B/Soul " I can't Help It" and pop "most of the video tracks on Thriller" Off the wall is still remembered. Put on "Rock With You" at a club and people will know that song and start dancing. Are you trying to say, if it's not pop people won’t remember it? Nobody is talking about Dancing Queen. Maybe the drag or gay scene, maybe, but that’s special interest.

As far as the kind of music you want to hear, you have a right to hear whatever you want. I'm just expressing the same desire. I miss Mike when he had a little more soul. The music you listen to sometimes reflects what kind of personality or lifestyle you live. I'm real so I want to hear real music. I don't always want to hear something that is aimed at the radio and created for a video and dance sequence just to make money. These songs can be good also, but I like music that comes from the heart.
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Reply #102 posted 10/05/06 10:32pm

DarlingDiana

Meloh9 said:

DarlingDiana said:

Am I the only one who doesn't like the idea of MJ going for an urban sound? And since when is R&B his roots? "I Want You Back" and "ABC" were classic pop songs. They were 100%, true blue, pop records. His roots are in pop. I don't care if ya'll think pop is cheesy and plastic. I do too. But at the moment I am so craving for a super-catchy bubble gum pop hit.

I hated Britney Spears and Nsync when they came out. I was totally against how plastic and manufactured they were. But now when I listen to "Baby One More Time" I think 'holy shit! I actually like this', and it's because there hasn't been a great pop song like that for 5-6 years. This whole decade has been bubble-gum-less, and I can't stand it. People are realising that the last few years have been absolutely shithouse for music, but they can't figure out why. Most people think we need more indie, alternative stuff to get the music industry back on track. That's bullshit. We need some motherfucking hits!

When you look back on the last 50 years of music, you don't remember the bullshit alternative crap that some guy living in his mother's basement made on a cheapo 8-track. You remember the pop mega-hits. "Johnny B Goode", "Jailhouse Rock", "She Loves You", "I'm A Believer", "Baby Love", "ABC", "Dancing Queen", "Stayin Alive", "Billie Jean", "Like A Virgin", "Can't Touch This", "Wannabe", "Baby One More Time"... that's what people remember as the songs that shaped rock/pop music of the last 50+ years.

So fuck the roots, fuck artistic expression, fuck all the shit that we've been taught makes a great artist. When makes a great artist in my opinion is hits. You can slag on the pop mega-hits of the last 50 years as much as you want. But the truth is that history shows people loves super-catchy pop mega-hits. Not some bullshit alternative song some hippie made when they were on an acid trip.

Michael, I want to hear some bubble-gum pop that will be remembered in 20 years time, not some street jam that people will hear one week and forget about the next. Bring on the cheese!!




I disagree. The Motown hits were pop oriented but these were still SOUL songs and it was still soul music. As his solo career matured he grew into a soul artist capable of making pop songs. Like Prince he had the gift of walking the fine line between R&B/Soul " I can't Help It" and pop "most of the video tracks on Thriller" Off the wall is still remembered. Put on "Rock With You" at a club and people will know that song and start dancing. Are you trying to say, if it's not pop people won’t remember it? Nobody is talking about Dancing Queen. Maybe the drag or gay scene, maybe, but that’s special interest.

As far as the kind of music you want to hear, you have a right to hear whatever you want. I'm just expressing the same desire. I miss Mike when he had a little more soul. The music you listen to sometimes reflects what kind of personality or lifestyle you live. I'm real so I want to hear real music. I don't always want to hear something that is aimed at the radio and created for a video and dance sequence just to make money. These songs can be good also, but I like music that comes from the heart.

What I'm saying is Michael needs to make hit songs, and I don't think he can do that if he's trying to be "edgy". It's all about the hits.
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Reply #103 posted 10/06/06 12:35am

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DarlingDiana said:

Meloh9 said:





I disagree. The Motown hits were pop oriented but these were still SOUL songs and it was still soul music. As his solo career matured he grew into a soul artist capable of making pop songs. Like Prince he had the gift of walking the fine line between R&B/Soul " I can't Help It" and pop "most of the video tracks on Thriller" Off the wall is still remembered. Put on "Rock With You" at a club and people will know that song and start dancing. Are you trying to say, if it's not pop people won’t remember it? Nobody is talking about Dancing Queen. Maybe the drag or gay scene, maybe, but that’s special interest.

As far as the kind of music you want to hear, you have a right to hear whatever you want. I'm just expressing the same desire. I miss Mike when he had a little more soul. The music you listen to sometimes reflects what kind of personality or lifestyle you live. I'm real so I want to hear real music. I don't always want to hear something that is aimed at the radio and created for a video and dance sequence just to make money. These songs can be good also, but I like music that comes from the heart.

What I'm saying is Michael needs to make hit songs, and I don't think he can do that if he's trying to be "edgy". It's all about the hits.


I don't agree.I couldn't imagine Michael singing "Love" and I couldn't imagine that song being a hit - whether Prince or Michael released it.

There was talk of Invincible being "hip-hop" and Rodney Jerkins was hyping it up big time... but the only remotely hip-hop sounding song on the album was Unbreakable.

I don't mind Michael making a more contemporary sounding album... but I don't like the sound of a "party record" as one of the producers put it. He's 48 for Christ's sake. A party record will look just as ridiculous as Heartbreaker did when he was singing about "come-get-me thighs".
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Reply #104 posted 10/06/06 2:18am

DarlingDiana

MattyJam said:

DarlingDiana said:


What I'm saying is Michael needs to make hit songs, and I don't think he can do that if he's trying to be "edgy". It's all about the hits.


I don't agree.I couldn't imagine Michael singing "Love" and I couldn't imagine that song being a hit - whether Prince or Michael released it.

There was talk of Invincible being "hip-hop" and Rodney Jerkins was hyping it up big time... but the only remotely hip-hop sounding song on the album was Unbreakable.

I don't mind Michael making a more contemporary sounding album... but I don't like the sound of a "party record" as one of the producers put it. He's 48 for Christ's sake. A party record will look just as ridiculous as Heartbreaker did when he was singing about "come-get-me thighs".
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Well then you do agree, because that exactly what I've been saying if you had read my posts.
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Reply #105 posted 10/06/06 3:06pm

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That's nothing compared to this lame publicity stunt lol


a fake marriage designed to save his ruined image disbelief



Thank you! MJ is pathetic, but he still has dedicated fans. Go figure. Anyone who believed that "marriage" was for real believes Michael's the biological father of those kids.

As for the pedophile charges, Katt Williams said it best - "If a MFer calls you a crackhead for twenty years, b!tch you are smoking crack!!!"

Damn, that picture is scary. Michael's whiter than Lisa Marie.
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Reply #106 posted 10/06/06 3:14pm

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Michael just needs to focus and make a new album.
"We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world."
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