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Thread started 09/26/06 1:09pm

Harlepolis

Remember This Scene From Spike Lee's "Schoole Daze"?

Wannabes Vs Jiggaboos
http://www.youtube.com/wa...5Y8cVg4_gE

I love Spike for that lol

Bill Lee(Spike's father) wrote that song, in fact he composed the score for some of Spike's movies. he also can be seen playing the sax for Phyllis Hyman in her cameo singing "Be One"(which he also wrote).
[Edited 9/26/06 13:11pm]
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Reply #1 posted 09/26/06 1:15pm

6sixx6

I enjoyed this movie period. Great message and it's still watchable today. They did a "special" dvd a while back on the movie.
Music.............is the THANG!
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Reply #2 posted 09/26/06 1:17pm

TommyRoss

6sixx6 said:

I enjoyed this movie period. Great message and it's still watchable today. They did a "special" dvd a while back on the movie.

nod The DVD included the soundtrack CD as well. I love this movie! Thanks for the clip.
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Reply #3 posted 09/26/06 1:20pm

Harlepolis

LOL @ the fact that he made the light-skinned sistas stay at a better hotel while the dark-skinned ones stay a cheap one.

That move was intentional,,,and he was on point with his aim nod
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Reply #4 posted 09/26/06 1:24pm

TommyRoss

Harlepolis said:

LOL @ the fact that he made the light-skinned sistas stay at a better hotel while the dark-skinned ones stay a cheap one.

That move was intentional,,,and he was on point with his aim nod

Yeah, I cut the movie some slack because of the bigger picture. It's got some problems, but it's entertaining. That musical sequence was creative. I dig Ebert's review:

http://rogerebert.suntime...20303/1023



School Daze
BY ROGER EBERT / February 12, 1988

Spike Lee's "School Daze" is the first movie in a long time where the black characters seem to be relating to one another, instead of to a hypothetical white audience. Lee's "She's Gotta Have It" was another, and then you have to go back to films like "Sweet Sweetback's Badass Song" in 1970. Although the film has big structural problems and leaves a lot of loose ends, there was never a moment when it didn't absorb me, because I felt as if I was watching the characters talk to one another, instead of to me.

Most good movies are voyeuristic - we feel as if we're getting a glimpse of other people's lives - but most movies about blacks have lacked that quality. They seem acutely aware of white audiences, white value systems and the white Hollywood establishment. They interpret rather than reveal, and even in attacking mainstream white society (as Eddie Murphy does in the "Beverly Hills Cop" movies), they pay homage to it in a backhanded way. "School Daze" couldn't care less.

What's surprising is that its revolutionary approach is found in a daffy story about undergraduates at an all-black university. The movie is basically a comedy, with some serious scenes that don't always quite seem to fit. (It begins with a demonstration against the school's investments in South Africa, but doesn't remember to resolve that subject.) It deals with divisions within the student body - between Greeks and independents, and between political activists and kids who just want to get good grades.

And with utter frankness it addresses two subjects that are taboo in most "black movies": complexion and hair. Lee divides the women on his campus into two groups, the lighter-skinned girls of the Gamma Ray sorority, with their straightened and longer hair, and the darker-skinned independents, with shorter hair or Afros. These two groups call each other the "Wannabes" and the "Jigaboos," and in a brilliant and startling song-and-dance sequence called "Straight and Nappy," they express their feelings for each other. Lee's choice of a musical production number to consider these emotionally charged subjects is an inspiration; there is possibly no way the same feelings could be expressed in spoken dialogue without great awkwardness and pain.

The division within the movie is dramatized by two characters: Dap Dunlap (Larry Fishburne), the intellectual activist and leader of demonstrations against the conservative administration; and Half-Pint (Spike Lee), the undersized kid who dreams of being initiated into the school's most popular fraternity. The two characters play cousins, and it is a sign of the movie's subtle appreciation of campus values that Dunlap, the revolutionary who rejects fraternities, quietly goes to the president of the chapter to put in a good word for his cousin.

In its own way, "School Daze" confronts a lot of issues that aren't talked about in the movies these days: not only issues of skin color and hair, but also the emergence of a black class, the purpose of all-black universities in an integrated society, and the sometimes sexist treatment of black women by black men. In one of the movie's most uncompromising sequences, a black fraternity pledge master expresses concern that Half-Pint is still a virgin (none of the brothers in this house should be virgins), and he supplies his own girlfriend (Tisha Campbell) to initiate the freshman. She actually goes through with it, tearfully, and although the scene was so painful it was difficult to watch, I later reflected that Lee played it for the pain, not for the kind of smutty comedy we might expect in a movie about undergraduates.

Although there was a brief age of "black exploitation movies" in the 1970s, there have never been very many good American movies about the varieties of the black experience. Black superstars like Eddie Murphy and Richard Pryor are essentially playing to (and with) white audiences, and serious dramas about blacks, even strong ones like "The Color Purple," are so loaded with nobility and message that they feel like secular sermons. Now here is Spike Lee with a slight, disorganized comedy named "School Daze," and he just sort of assumes a completely black orientation for his film. There is not a single white person in it. All of the characters, good and bad, are black, and all of the character's references are to each other.

In "Shoot to Kill," the new Sidney Poitier film, no mention at all is made of his race until a scene where he jumps up and down and scares away a bear. Then he says, "People here act like they've never seen a black man before." The line got a big laugh from the sneak preview audience I saw it with, but when you analyze it, it was an aside pitched straight at the audience. There are no asides in "School Daze," and no self-conscious references to blackness. The result is an entertaining comedy, but also much more than that. There is no doubt in my mind that "School Daze," in its own way, is one of the most honest and revealing movies I've ever seen about modern middle-class black life in America.
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Reply #5 posted 09/26/06 1:37pm

Harlepolis

The whole thing was a BIG ball of chaos.

Spike got thrown out of Morehouse university(for showing the princeble's character in a bad light).

Hell, to this day alot of people try to deny the fact that there're ALOT of 'touchy-touchy' problems in black collges concerning.

Those were the same people who protested passionatly against the movie when it was released.

Why are they trying to stop these issues from surfacing?
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Reply #6 posted 09/26/06 1:45pm

Harlepolis

They interpret rather than reveal, and even in attacking mainstream white society (as Eddie Murphy does in the "Beverly Hills Cop" movies), they pay homage to it in a backhanded way. "School Daze" couldn't care less.


I think thats a weak comparision. I know he's trying to point out an idea by comparing the 2, but its dumb to compare an ACTION/COMEDY movie to another socioal/comedy movie just becoz the filmmakers happen to be "black". And NO storyline in common at that either.

Those 2 movies are as different as Tom Willis and George Jefferson.
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Reply #7 posted 09/26/06 1:47pm

TommyRoss

Harlepolis said:

They interpret rather than reveal, and even in attacking mainstream white society (as Eddie Murphy does in the "Beverly Hills Cop" movies), they pay homage to it in a backhanded way. "School Daze" couldn't care less.


I think thats a weak comparision. I know he's trying to point out an idea by comparing the 2, but its dumb to compare an ACTION/COMEDY movie to another socioal/comedy movie just becoz the filmmakers happen to be "black". And NO storyline in common at that either.

True, but was there a whole lot more to compare to in black cinema at the time? Probably not.
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Reply #8 posted 09/26/06 1:54pm

Adisa

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I'm sick and tired of the Prince fans being sick and tired of the Prince fans that are sick and tired!
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Reply #9 posted 09/26/06 1:59pm

Harlepolis

TommyRoss said:

Harlepolis said:



I think thats a weak comparision. I know he's trying to point out an idea by comparing the 2, but its dumb to compare an ACTION/COMEDY movie to another socioal/comedy movie just becoz the filmmakers happen to be "black". And NO storyline in common at that either.

True, but was there a whole lot more to compare to in black cinema at the time? Probably not.


B.H.C. is not a black movie to begin with(Its an Eddie Murphy film but it had zero relevence to the black community, as opposed to School Daze), thats where Ebert made his mistake by comparing the two.

But overall, he gets the idea. I think confused
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Reply #10 posted 09/26/06 2:02pm

TommyRoss

Harlepolis said:

TommyRoss said:


True, but was there a whole lot more to compare to in black cinema at the time? Probably not.


B.H.C. is not a black movie to begin with(Its an Eddie Murphy film but it had zero relevence to the black community, as opposed to School Daze), thats where Ebert made his mistake by comparing the two.

But overall, he gets the idea. I think confused

I'm not saying it was a black film, and I don't think he was either. The statement was about how black characters in film are written to relate to a white audience. Lee took out the middle man and just wrote black characters with no references specifically for white audiences. I'm taking this into PR territory, so I'm out. lol
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Reply #11 posted 09/26/06 2:06pm

Harlepolis

TommyRoss said:

Harlepolis said:



B.H.C. is not a black movie to begin with(Its an Eddie Murphy film but it had zero relevence to the black community, as opposed to School Daze), thats where Ebert made his mistake by comparing the two.

But overall, he gets the idea. I think confused

I'm not saying it was a black film, and I don't think he was either. The statement was about how black characters in film are written to relate to a white audience. Lee took out the middle man and just wrote black characters with no references specifically for white audiences. I'm taking this into PR territory, so I'm out. lol


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Reply #12 posted 09/26/06 3:05pm

missfee

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great movie nod
I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince.
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Reply #13 posted 09/26/06 3:48pm

MorehouseMan

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Harlepolis said:

The whole thing was a BIG ball of chaos.

Spike got thrown out of Morehouse university(for showing the princeble's character in a bad light).

Hell, to this day alot of people try to deny the fact that there're ALOT of 'touchy-touchy' problems in black collges concerning.

Those were the same people who protested passionatly against the movie when it was released.

Why are they trying to stop these issues from surfacing?



Spike was never thrown out of Morehouse College. During the making of Daze, President Gloster did not allow him to film scenes on campus (scenes were filmed at Clark, Spelman, and "around" Morehouse. The film was not received very well by Morehouse during production, but years later Spike and Daze were embraced.

Spike is a member of our Board of trustees.
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Reply #14 posted 09/26/06 6:49pm

TonyVanDam

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WAKE UP! biggrin
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Reply #15 posted 09/26/06 8:15pm

Lammastide

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An excellent film. I was in high school when it was released, but it was downright prophetic with regard to what I'd encounter when I hit college.

And that soundtrack goes down as one of the best in my lifetime thus far, as far as I'm concerned.
Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
μηδὲν ὅλως σὺ λυποῦ
πρὸς ὀλίγον ἐστὶ τὸ ζῆν
τὸ τέλος ὁ χρόνος ἀπαιτεῖ.”
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Reply #16 posted 09/26/06 11:31pm

Harlepolis

MorehouseMan said:

Harlepolis said:

The whole thing was a BIG ball of chaos.

Spike got thrown out of Morehouse university(for showing the princeble's character in a bad light).

Hell, to this day alot of people try to deny the fact that there're ALOT of 'touchy-touchy' problems in black collges concerning.

Those were the same people who protested passionatly against the movie when it was released.

Why are they trying to stop these issues from surfacing?



Spike was never thrown out of Morehouse College. During the making of Daze, President Gloster did not allow him to film scenes on campus (scenes were filmed at Clark, Spelman, and "around" Morehouse. The film was not received very well by Morehouse during production, but years later Spike and Daze were embraced.

Spike is a member of our Board of trustees.


Spike Lee was kicked off the campuses of Morehouse, Spelman, and Clark Atlanta University during filming because the colleges' Boards of Directors had concerns on how black colleges were being portrayed in the film. Lee had to finish filming at the neighboring Morris Brown College.

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Reply #17 posted 09/27/06 12:43am

ThreadBare

Lammastide said:

An excellent film. I was in high school when it was released, but it was downright prophetic with regard to what I'd encounter when I hit college.

And that soundtrack goes down as one of the best in my lifetime thus far, as far as I'm concerned.



Preach, brother. Same here.
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Reply #18 posted 09/27/06 3:10am

CalhounSq

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My all time FAVE Spike film thumbs up!
heart prince I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it prince heart
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Reply #19 posted 09/27/06 7:46am

alwayslate

I love this movie!
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