I'm trying my best not to be depress about the reality that Janet may not have what it takes to remain in the music industry anymore.

TonyVanDam said:

Two words: Jermaine Dupree.

Janet seems much more interested in showing her tits, than making good music. I'm serious btw. She should forget about her tits for a while and concentrate on improving her voice and doing something interesting.

kisscamille said:

She can't. Those are her ONLY ass-etts.

6sixx6 said:

so it seems these days.

Once Janet left Rene.....it was OVER.

TonyVanDam said:

Janet needs Rene Elizondo back.

6sixx6 said:

I hear ya! You can't produce for Janet THE SAME way you used to produce for TLC and figure everything will sell, because it will not work all the time.

Graycap23 said:

Rene divorce Janet, not the other way around. And he took half of the profits of RN1814 as part of an out-of-court settlement.

Krytonite said:

I see this argument a lot here, and I just don't buy it. I think it has more to do with the turn in quality of Jam & Lewis' music than it does with Rene being out of her life. J&L had success with other artists and - though I love them - their sound during their peak was almost identical between artists. There are a good handful of Janet tunes that sound like they could easily have been songs by SOS Band, Cherrelle, The Time and others, but Rene had nothing to do with those acts.

I'm curious why folks think the downturn in her career has anything to do with Elizondo not being around. I'm not being snide; I just don't get the reasoning. It sounds rather sexist, to be honest.

TonyVanDam said:

Jermaine Dupree did help Mariah Carey.

Krytonite said:

Granted, THIS man krew how to make music videos. Where is he now?

Krytonite said:

Mariah = One of the best classically-trained vocalist in the world that can sing very excellent even on a shyt-hop/C.R.A.P. track.

Janet = One of the best entertainers in music industry history with average vocals but a far better up-tempo dancer (surpass only by Michael Jackson & Paula Abdul).

This is exactly what JD, Dallas Austin, and Kanye West overlook.

Krytonite said:

He produced the weakest tracks on that album, sans "We Belong Together". The best songs off "Eman of Mimi" were not even released.

TommyRoss said:

After the divorce, Janet confess that Rene was very involve in writing some of her song lyrics. Rene was credit as a co-writer for almost all of the songs for The Velvet Rope BUT was never acknowledge as a co-writer for RN1814 or janet (Rene admitted in divorce court that being a ghostwriter was his idea to make Janet look good in the industry).

TommyRoss said:

I can see your point. I agree but it also appears that Rene had more to do with her success that we know. Janet (without Rene, Jimmy and Terry) was at best WEAK as hell.

Janet NEVER could sing that has been her biggest problem..

TonyVanDam said:

I was never aware of any of this.

Janet's music hasn't been the same since she stopped working with Wendy and Lisa.

TonyVanDam said:

Yep, I'm aware of that, but all that stuff sounds very typical of Jam & Lewis' production during that era. That's what makes me think it has more to do with her producers than it does with Elizondo.

ThreadBare said:

ThreadBare said:

I agree. Her BEST work was when she worked with them. She has NOT released a ground breaking cd since they left.

Y'all, don't mind me. I'm running from a story deadline...



I'm a bit tired.

You shouldn't. Buy her music for yourself and judge accordingly. You're not one to take anyone's opinion for face value.

you should listen to whatever you want, no matter what anyone else says.

TonyVanDam said:

Janet needs to go in a different direction with her career. What that is I don't know,

Because her music is pretty much crapolicious

ThreadBare said:

I agreed.
[Edited 9/22/06 14:32pm]

jayaredee said:

Were it not for Janet agreeing to settle out-of-court, Rene could have told a lot of things that we Janet-fans weren't aware of!

I would say listen to 20 YO at BET.com and judge for yourself. Most of the reviews I have seen are VERY positive and are outside of this forum-prince.org. I myself have not heard 20 YO and will not let most of the negativity on this board determine whether I like 20 YO or not.