Rhondab said:

but let's be honest,Michael is the reason why this album was a success.Remove his vocals and the album wouldn't have went anywhere

SoulAlive said:

that's not my point Soul...at all actually.

SoulAlive said:

I don't agree. The Jacksons (as a group) were still popular at this point. Sure, Michael's popularity had probably eclipsed their collective popularity, but they were all still on the radar. If the album had been all about his vocals, maybe I'd agree. But there was good music composition, musicianship and production all throughout that record. If we were talking about Victory, I'd agree wholeheartedly.

TommyRoss said:

I may take alot of heat for saying this,but...I think,after 'Off The Wall',Mike shouldn't have done anymore records with his brothers.After 1979,all of the Jackson albums and tours were overshadowed by Michael and his popularity anyway.The 'Victory' tour and album was absurd....in 1984,there was only ONE Jackson that the world cared about,lol.

SoulAlive said:

TommyRoss said:

thank you tommy....lawdy....

Ellie said:

Love this album.

Rhondab said:

Hey, didn't mean that to be rude, I'm just saying whatever you call it I prefer it to any other MJ related album. Period.

SoulAlive said:

MJ has always over-shadowed his brothers, but the Jacksons has a group were still popular back in the early 80s. MJ should have continue to be part of the group mainly due to the fact that his brothers seem to have kept him grounded to a degree as well as keeping up the flow of the music.

MJ has always over-shadowed his brothers, but the Jacksons has a group were still popular back in the early 80s. MJ should have continue to be part of the group mainly due to the fact that his brothers seem to have kept him grounded to a degree as well as keeping up the flow of the music.[/quote]

I think after Thriller all of the brothers wanted that Super Sized success and they figured they would ride MJ's coatails.

When MJ came back to his brothers instead of them grounding him and working as a group they made him feel like a stepping stone. THEN while doing that they only gave him a one-sixth member vote. So after The Victory Tour MJ said "That's a wrap." (IMO)

Yep, the Victory tour itself was only a guilt-ridden trip Michael was pressured into because a few of his brothers were flat broke at the time.

carlcranshaw said:

I think after Thriller all of the brothers wanted that Super Sized success and they figured they would ride MJ's coatails.

When MJ came back to his brothers instead of them grounding him and working as a group they made him feel like a stepping stone. THEN while doing that they only gave him a one-sixth member vote. So after The Victory Tour MJ said "That's a wrap." (IMO)[/quote]
Yea, but since he has left his brothers MJ reputation and his music has practically gone down the drain. The fact that he has made only 5 albums in 20 yrs and none IMO matches up to Truimph or even Destiny. And on top of all that he isn't even respected in the same way he was when he did albums like Truimph.

Yea, but since he has left his brothers MJ reputation and his music has practically gone down the drain. The fact that he has made only 5 albums in 20 yrs and none IMO matches up to Truimph or even Destiny. And on top of all that he isn't even respected in the same way he was when he did albums like Truimph.[/quote]

That's because he hasn't had anyone to challenge him. Once you have that kind of success you become like Royalty where you think you can do no wrong and the music suffers.
[Edited 9/27/06 13:09pm]

DorothyParkerWasCool said:

Agreed 100% with D.P. I think there are a few reasons why Mike was at his best with his brothers; He felt truly at home and at peace with them. These are people that truly know Mike. There is definately no ass kissing as it probably is with others when their in MJ's pressence. So, Mike is allowed to be himself and plus, he knows he has to truly bring it when his bros are around. Cuz they'll call him out if he's fronting in the studio.

I always remember LaToya's little quote about Michael being nervous to play her his songs but Jermaine would be all smug, confident and excited about his songs

carlcranshaw said:

That's because he hasn't had anyone to challenge him. Once you have that kind of success you become like Royalty where you think you can do no wrong and the music suffers.
[Edited 9/27/06 13:09pm]
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Oh BS....give me a break.....MJ was too caught in himself and NOT the music.

Get out of the trees, stop hanging your children from windows and Make some GOOD music.


I still would rather listen to a Jackson album over any of MJs solo projects with the exception of Off the Wall.

nothing beats The Jacksons....

Rhondab said:

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Well, that's the point. When MJ was with his brothers he wasn't THE ICON he was "Mike" or whatever they call him. When he was working with them before Thriller they would try to grow as a group.

I think when they worked with him AFTER Thriller he was like "I'm MJ now solo." and The Brothers wanted to ride that wave.

MJ got into more of a Diva thing and his brothers kissed up to it because THEY wanted that success. And I think they both cancelled each other out.

MJ's rep has gotten so odd that I think people would rather see him with his brothers. And the brothers spent all their money so they NEED MJ to tour and he would RESENT them "needing" him so it's weird cycle.

He needs a producer to say "Noooo Bruh, don't sing that "I Love You Baby" from Liberian Girl there. Try another run."

And the other side is if MJ did find a producer to tell him the truth he'd fire him, because he's now more into being an ICON (Now there's a word to dissect in Prince speak.) than love (pure love not sales love) for the music.
[Edited 9/28/06 11:16am]

Ellie said:

" Betcha Can't lose With My Love " ... cool production by Kool & The Gang's bassplayer .