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Justin #1 with 684k mayer #2 beyounce #3 but with biggest drop

according to billboard JT is 684k mayer is 300k and beyounce is 162k

LW TW artist / album label power index % change
-- 1 JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE JIVE/ZLG 710,539 --
FUTURE SEX/LOVE SOUNDS
-- 2 JOHN MAYER AWARE/COLUMBIA/CRG 288,466 --
CONTINUUM
1 3 BEYONCE COLUMBIA/CRG 155,245 -72%
B'DAY
-- 4 BOB SEGER CAPITOL 146,086 --
FACE THE PROMISE
3 5 BOB DYLAN COLUMBIA/CRG 84,904 -29%
MODERN TIMES
-- 6 LIONEL RICHIE ISLAND/IDJMG 76,290 --
COMING HOME
9 7 HINDER UNIVERSAL REPUBLIC 65,863 +20%
EXTREME BEHAVIOR
4 8 DANITY KANE BAD BOY/ATLANTIC/ATL G 59,556 -26%
DANITY KANE
-- 9 THE MARS VOLTA UNIVERSAL MOTOWN 56,248 --
AMPUTECHTURE
8 10 NICKELBACK ROADRUNNER/IDJMG 55,884 -4%
ALL THE RIGHT REASONS
2 11 AUDIOSLAVE EPIC/INTERSCOPE 52,573 -65%
REVELATIONS
-- 12 GREY'S ANATOMY VOL.2 HOLLYWOOD 51,883 --
SOUNDTRACK
5 13 CHEETAH GIRLS 2 WALT DISNEY RECORDS 49,477 -26%
SOUNDTRACK
6 14 CHRISTINA AGUILERA RCA/RMG 46,782 -27%
BACK TO BASICS
11 15 NOW THAT'S WHAT I CALL MUSIC V22 SONY MUSIC GROUP 39,233 -25%
VARIOUS
16 16 RASCAL FLATTS LYRIC STREET 37,220 +1%
ME AND MY GANG
-- 17 PAPA ROACH GEFFEN 37,218 --
THE PARAMOUR SESSIONS
20 18 THE FRAY EPIC 34,554 +13%
HOW TO SAVE A LIFE
15 19 RICK ROSS DEF JAM/IDJMG 31,687 -16%
PORT OF MIAMI
-- 20 BARENAKED LADIES DESPERATION 30,984 --
BARENAKED LADIES ARE ME
12 21 OUTKAST LAFACE/ZLG 30,757 -34%
IDLEWILD
-- 22 BLACK LABEL SOCIETY ROADRUNNER/IDJMG 30,400 --
SHOT TO HELL
17 23 PUSSYCAT DOLLS A&M/INTERSCOPE 29,547 -16%
PCD
13 24 YOUNG DRO GRAND HUSTLE/ATLANTIC 29,368 -32%
THE BEST THANG SMOKIN'
18 25 GNARLS BARKLEY DOWNTOWN/ATLANTIC ATL G 28,895 -16%
ST. ELSEWHERE
32 26 CARRIE UNDERWOOD ARISTA/RMG 27,725 +8%
SOME HEARTS
21 27 JOSH TURNER MCA NASHVILLE 27,204 -9%
YOUR MAN
14 28 PANIC! AT THE DISCO FUELED BY RAMEN/WMG 27,095 -31%
A FEVER YOU CAN'T SWEAT OUT
28 29 HIGH SCHOOL MUSICAL WALT DISNEY RECORDS 26,468 -1%
SOUNDTRACK
24 30 RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS WARNER BROS. 26,325 -4%
STADIUM ARCADIUM
7 31 JESSICA SIMPSON EPIC 26,314 -58%
A PUBLIC AFFAIR
-- 32 MASTODON REPRISE 26,222 --
BLOOD MOUNTAIN
-- 33 NORMA JEAN TOOTH & NAIL 26,045 --
REDEEMER
36 34 SNOW PATROL A&M/INTERSCOPE 25,292 +16%
EYES OPEN
19 35 METHOD MAN DEF JAM/IDJMG 25,257 -22%
4:21...THE DAY AFTER
31 36 MANA WEA LATINA 22,375 -13%
AMAR ES COMBATIR
27 37 YUNG JOC BAD BOY/ATLANTIC/ATL G 22,017 -18%
NEW JOC CITY
22 38 LYFE JENNINGS SONY URBAN/COLUMBIA/CRG 21,279 -25%
THE PHOENIX
23 39 STEP UP LAFACE/ZLG 21,227 -25%
SOUNDTRACK
35 40 BLUE OCTOBER UNIVERSAL MOTOWN 21,172 -4%
FOILED
30 41 THE ROOTS DEF JAM/IDJMG 20,901 -20%
GAME THEORY
33 42 BROKEN BRIDGES SHOW DOG NASH/UNIVERSAL 19,882 -22%
SOUNDTRACK
25 43 CHERISH SHO'NUFF/CAPITOL 19,685 -28%
UNAPPRECIATED
29 44 JAMES BLUNT CUSTARD/ATLANTIC/ATL G 19,456 -27%
BACK TO BEDLAM
40 45 NELLY FURTADO GEFFEN 18,289 -10%
LOOSE
-- 46 DAZ DILLINGER SO SO DEF/VIRGIN 17,938 --
SO SO GANGSTA
34 47 BREAKING BENJAMIN HOLLYWOOD 17,860 -24%
PHOBIA
39 48 CORINNE BAILEY RAE CAPITOL 17,220 -16%
CORINNE BAILEY RAE
26 49 TRACE ADKINS CAPITOL NASHVILLE 16,920 -37%
DANGEROUS MAN
-- 50 THE RANDY ROGERS BAND MERCURY NASHVILLE 16,085 --
[Edited 9/20/06 9:54am]
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Reply #1 posted 09/19/06 4:04pm

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beyounce had a very big drop from first week sales! looks like first week sales nubers were manipulated most times u would see 60% drop!!

These are just numbers from hits daily double sometimes they differ from those from billboard which will come out tomorrow morning
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Reply #2 posted 09/19/06 4:06pm

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I know Justin will get all the attention with those huge numbers.


But props to John Mayer on his 288k opening week..great album by a great musician
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Reply #3 posted 09/19/06 5:21pm

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cant wait to see the top 200 chart and see if Norm Macdonalds new comedy album charted woot!
Check it out ...Shiny Toy Guns R gonna blowup VERY soon and bring melody back to music..you heard it here 1st! http://www.myspacecomment...theone.mp3
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Reply #4 posted 09/19/06 5:55pm

waw2002

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I know Justin will get all the attention with those huge numbers.


But props to John Mayer on his 288k opening week..great album by a great musician


I'm very happy for John Mayer. Especially since he didn't get the same airplay as Justin Timberlake. But 711k for JT is very impressive. When's the last time an album sold that many in the first week?
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Reply #5 posted 09/19/06 6:05pm

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waw2002 said:

newpower99 said:

I know Justin will get all the attention with those huge numbers.


But props to John Mayer on his 288k opening week..great album by a great musician


I'm very happy for John Mayer. Especially since he didn't get the same airplay as Justin Timberlake. But 711k for JT is very impressive. When's the last time an album sold that many in the first week?


mary j...with 900k.
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-- 9 THE MARS VOLTA UNIVERSAL MOTOWN 56,248 --
AMPUTECHTURE

35 40 BLUE OCTOBER UNIVERSAL MOTOWN 21,172 -4%
FOILED


I just thought this was a little odd. Granted, Motown really hadn't been the legendary music label it was when they moved from Detroit to Los Angeles in the 1970s, and it hadn't been the groundbreaking label for R&B music since the mid-1980's, and all of the legendary history went away when Berry Gordy sold the label to Universal in the mid-1990's, but this? shocked Nothing against either Mars Volta or Blue October; I'm sure they're both decent rock bands ("Hate Me" is a great song by Blue October), but who would ever have seen the day that Motown, the label that defined Black music and R&B in America and around the world, would suddenly become a home for rock and alternative music acts.

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Reply #7 posted 09/19/06 7:15pm

Scorpion

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waw2002 said:



I'm very happy for John Mayer. Especially since he didn't get the same airplay as Justin Timberlake. But 711k for JT is very impressive. When's the last time an album sold that many in the first week?


mary j...with 900k.


No, Mary did 730k...she dropped around Christmas last year.
tho' I battled blind
love is a fate resigned
memories mar my mind
love it is a fate resigned

Over futile odds
and laughed at by the Gods
and now the final frame
Love is a losing game
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Scorpion said:

sosgemini said:



mary j...with 900k.


No, Mary did 730k...she dropped around Christmas last year.



ahh..just checked and your right...

i still think its cool that a soul sista can outsell justin. woot!
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Reply #9 posted 09/19/06 7:41pm

waw2002

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Scorpion said:



No, Mary did 730k...she dropped around Christmas last year.



ahh..just checked and your right...

i still think its cool that a soul sista can outsell justin. woot!



That's very cool. Recently though it seems that most of the number 1 albulm have been selling aroung 150k copies.
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Reply #10 posted 09/19/06 10:49pm

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Im really surprised about Bob Seger, im thinking this was all based on how long it had been since his last album, but even still surprised at that number in these days of numbers. Im expected huge drops for everyone next week, of course thats not hard to predict smile

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Reply #11 posted 09/19/06 11:11pm

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JT deserves it!
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Reply #12 posted 09/20/06 4:59am

SoulAlive

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beyounce had a very big drop from first week sales! looks like first week sales nubers were manipulated most times u would see 60% drop!!


This is exactly what I was saying last week.I was like "big deal!" when they were saying that she would sell 500k in a week.These days,practically all of today's "hot" artists sell a ton of CDs in their first week,only to fade away soon thereafter.Despite all the hype,it's likely that Beyonce's CD will be out of the Top 10 in a few weeks.Today's pop music is like fast food...completely disposble and quickly forgotten.Kids buy this crap then quickly move on to the next big thing.When I was young,artists would release a big album and stay Number One for months,those days are long gone.
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Reply #13 posted 09/20/06 9:40am

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LW TW artist / album label power index % change
-- 1 JUSTIN TIMBERLAKE JIVE/ZLG 710,539 --
FUTURE SEX/LOVE SOUNDS
-- 2 JOHN MAYER AWARE/COLUMBIA/CRG 288,466 --
CONTINUUM
1 3 BEYONCE COLUMBIA/CRG 155,245 -72%
B'DAY
-- 4 BOB SEGER CAPITOL 146,086 --
FACE THE PROMISE
3 5 BOB DYLAN COLUMBIA/CRG 84,904 -29%
MODERN TIMES
-- 6 LIONEL RICHIE ISLAND/IDJMG 76,290 --
COMING HOME
9 7 HINDER UNIVERSAL REPUBLIC 65,863 +20%
EXTREME BEHAVIOR
4 8 DANITY KANE BAD BOY/ATLANTIC/ATL G 59,556 -26%
DANITY KANE
-- 9 THE MARS VOLTA UNIVERSAL MOTOWN 56,248 --
AMPUTECHTURE
8 10 NICKELBACK ROADRUNNER/IDJMG 55,884 -4%
ALL THE RIGHT REASONS
2 11 AUDIOSLAVE EPIC/INTERSCOPE 52,573 -65%
REVELATIONS
-- 12 GREY'S ANATOMY VOL.2 HOLLYWOOD 51,883 --
SOUNDTRACK
5 13 CHEETAH GIRLS 2 WALT DISNEY RECORDS 49,477 -26%
SOUNDTRACK
6 14 CHRISTINA AGUILERA RCA/RMG 46,782 -27%
BACK TO BASICS
11 15 NOW THAT'S WHAT I CALL MUSIC V22 SONY MUSIC GROUP 39,233 -25%
VARIOUS
16 16 RASCAL FLATTS LYRIC STREET 37,220 +1%
ME AND MY GANG
-- 17 PAPA ROACH GEFFEN 37,218 --
THE PARAMOUR SESSIONS
20 18 THE FRAY EPIC 34,554 +13%
HOW TO SAVE A LIFE
15 19 RICK ROSS DEF JAM/IDJMG 31,687 -16%
PORT OF MIAMI
-- 20 BARENAKED LADIES DESPERATION 30,984 --
BARENAKED LADIES ARE ME
12 21 OUTKAST LAFACE/ZLG 30,757 -34%
IDLEWILD
-- 22 BLACK LABEL SOCIETY ROADRUNNER/IDJMG 30,400 --
SHOT TO HELL
17 23 PUSSYCAT DOLLS A&M/INTERSCOPE 29,547 -16%
PCD
13 24 YOUNG DRO GRAND HUSTLE/ATLANTIC 29,368 -32%
THE BEST THANG SMOKIN'
18 25 GNARLS BARKLEY DOWNTOWN/ATLANTIC ATL G 28,895 -16%
ST. ELSEWHERE
32 26 CARRIE UNDERWOOD ARISTA/RMG 27,725 +8%
SOME HEARTS
21 27 JOSH TURNER MCA NASHVILLE 27,204 -9%
YOUR MAN
14 28 PANIC! AT THE DISCO FUELED BY RAMEN/WMG 27,095 -31%
A FEVER YOU CAN'T SWEAT OUT
28 29 HIGH SCHOOL MUSICAL WALT DISNEY RECORDS 26,468 -1%
SOUNDTRACK
24 30 RED HOT CHILI PEPPERS WARNER BROS. 26,325 -4%
STADIUM ARCADIUM
7 31 JESSICA SIMPSON EPIC 26,314 -58%
A PUBLIC AFFAIR
-- 32 MASTODON REPRISE 26,222 --
BLOOD MOUNTAIN
-- 33 NORMA JEAN TOOTH & NAIL 26,045 --
REDEEMER
36 34 SNOW PATROL A&M/INTERSCOPE 25,292 +16%
EYES OPEN
19 35 METHOD MAN DEF JAM/IDJMG 25,257 -22%
4:21...THE DAY AFTER
31 36 MANA WEA LATINA 22,375 -13%
AMAR ES COMBATIR
27 37 YUNG JOC BAD BOY/ATLANTIC/ATL G 22,017 -18%
NEW JOC CITY
22 38 LYFE JENNINGS SONY URBAN/COLUMBIA/CRG 21,279 -25%
THE PHOENIX
23 39 STEP UP LAFACE/ZLG 21,227 -25%
SOUNDTRACK
35 40 BLUE OCTOBER UNIVERSAL MOTOWN 21,172 -4%
FOILED
30 41 THE ROOTS DEF JAM/IDJMG 20,901 -20%
GAME THEORY
33 42 BROKEN BRIDGES SHOW DOG NASH/UNIVERSAL 19,882 -22%
SOUNDTRACK
25 43 CHERISH SHO'NUFF/CAPITOL 19,685 -28%
UNAPPRECIATED
29 44 JAMES BLUNT CUSTARD/ATLANTIC/ATL G 19,456 -27%
BACK TO BEDLAM
40 45 NELLY FURTADO GEFFEN 18,289 -10%
LOOSE
-- 46 DAZ DILLINGER SO SO DEF/VIRGIN 17,938 --
SO SO GANGSTA
34 47 BREAKING BENJAMIN HOLLYWOOD 17,860 -24%
PHOBIA
39 48 CORINNE BAILEY RAE CAPITOL 17,220 -16%
CORINNE BAILEY RAE
26 49 TRACE ADKINS CAPITOL NASHVILLE 16,920 -37%
DANGEROUS MAN
-- 50 THE RANDY ROGERS BAND MERCURY NASHVILLE 16,085 --




the actual number is as reported by MTV

Who else could have told the entire world that "sexy" had indeed vanished, and that he can restore it? Probably no one. And evidently, JT was onto something, because some 684,000 copies of the




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former 'NSYNC star's sophomore solo outing, FutureSex/LoveSounds were purchased across the nation last week.
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n a major week for new releases, Justin Timberlake's "FutureSex/LoveSounds" (Jive) rises to the top of The Billboard 200 with 684,000 copies in the United States, according to Nielsen SoundScan. It's the artist's first No. 1; his solo debut, "Justified," entered at No. 2 with 439,000 copies in 2002.

John Mayer makes his sixth appearance on The Billboard 200 in five years with "Continuum" (Aware/Columbia), which debuts at No. 2 with 300,000. Its 2003 predecessor, "Heavier Things," entered at No. 1 with 317,000. "Continuum" crowns the Top Rock Albums and Top Internet Albums charts this week as well.

After debuting at No. 1 last week, Beyonce's "B'Day" slips to No. 3 with 162,000 copies, a whopping sales decrease of 70%. With his first album in more than a decade, Bob Seger enters at No. 4 with "Face the Promise." This Hideout/Capitol effort marks Seger's sixth visit to the chart's top five and first since 1986's "Like a Rock" peaked at No. 3.

Bob Dylan's "Modern Times" slips 3-5 with 93,000 copies, a sales dip of 27%. At No. 6, Lionel Richie's "Coming Home" (Island) lands him in the top 10 for the first time since 1986's "Dancing on the Ceiling." The set moved 75,000 copies, Richie's best one-week sum since Nielsen SoundScan began tracking data in 1991.

Hinder's "Extreme Behavior" continues to climb up the top 10, reaching its peak position of No. 7 after 33 weeks on the chart. The Universal Republic effort moved 64,000 with a 19% sales increase. Danity Kane's self-titled Bad Boy release falls 4-8 with 62,000 (-24%).

The Mars Volta's Universal set "Amputechture" bows at No. 9 with 59,000. The group's "Frances The Mule" fared better in 2005 with 123,000 units and a No. 4 debut.

Descending 8-10 in its 50th week on the chart, Nickelback's "All the Right Reasons" (Roadrunner) rounds out the top tier with 57,000 and a sales decrease of 3%.

The second volume to the Hollywood soundtrack to "Grey's Anatomy," with songs from artists like Gomez, KT Tunstall and Jim Noir, bows at No. 14 with 46,000. Papa Roach's "The Paramour Sessions" (Geffen) and Barenaked Ladies' "Barenaked Ladies Are Me" (Desperation) debut at No. 16 and No. 17, respectively, both selling 37,000. Moving 32,000, Black Label Society's "Shot to Hell" (Roadrunner) enters at No. 21. Mastodon earns its best week ever on the chart, with the No. 32 entry of "Blood Mountain" (Warner Bros.), which sold 24,000.

Other big entries this week include Madeleine Peyroux's "Half the Perfect World" (Rounder, No. 33, 24,000), Daz' "So So Gangsta" (Virgin, No. 35, 23,0000), Norma Jean's "Redeemer" (Tooth & Nail, No. 38, 21,000) and TV On The Radio's Billboard 200 debut "Return to Cookie Mountain" (Interscope, No. 41, 21,000).

At 10.05 million units, overall CD sales are up 5.6% from last week's count and up 0.9% compared to the same week a year ago. Sales for 2006 are down 5% compared to 2005 at 374 million units.
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Wow a 70% sales drop for Beyonce is huge. Guess people figured out the album really isn't all that.

Good for Mayer though.
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SoulAlive said:

asg said:

beyounce had a very big drop from first week sales! looks like first week sales nubers were manipulated most times u would see 60% drop!!


This is exactly what I was saying last week.I was like "big deal!" when they were saying that she would sell 500k in a week.These days,practically all of today's "hot" artists sell a ton of CDs in their first week,only to fade away soon thereafter.Despite all the hype,it's likely that Beyonce's CD will be out of the Top 10 in a few weeks.Today's pop music is like fast food...completely disposble and quickly forgotten.Kids buy this crap then quickly move on to the next big thing.When I was young,artists would release a big album and stay Number One for months,those days are long gone.



But that's a little misleading....Sales have been down across the board in every musical genre...And not because of pop music being disposable...It's because the music industry is scared to embrace the digital age...They are still fighting music downloading....By the way, There haven't been too many releases in recent months that have sold over 300, 000 copies the first week, let alone 600, 000....The average has been 100 to 150 K....Yeah, it's a new age...but it's bigger than music fast food...Beyonce drop off is to be expected...She's certainly not on an island....
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murph said:

SoulAlive said:



This is exactly what I was saying last week.I was like "big deal!" when they were saying that she would sell 500k in a week.These days,practically all of today's "hot" artists sell a ton of CDs in their first week,only to fade away soon thereafter.Despite all the hype,it's likely that Beyonce's CD will be out of the Top 10 in a few weeks.Today's pop music is like fast food...completely disposble and quickly forgotten.Kids buy this crap then quickly move on to the next big thing.When I was young,artists would release a big album and stay Number One for months,those days are long gone.



But that's a little misleading....Sales have been down across the board in every musical genre...And not because of pop music being disposable...It's because the music industry is scared to embrace the digital age...They are still fighting music downloading....By the way, There haven't been too many releases in recent months that have sold over 300, 000 copies the first week, let alone 600, 000....The average has been 100 to 150 K....Yeah, it's a new age...but it's bigger than music fast food...Beyonce drop off is to be expected...She's certainly not on an island....


I just think the industry is really dumb. A few years back they felt the CD single was killing alubm sales so they eliminated that as an option, but then itunes comes around and the industry gives them the ok to sell one song for 99 cents and then wonders why people arent buying the full recording. Most people want a 'soundbyte" they dont want the whole thing, which is why you are going to get a huge "glut" in the industry like there is now. This on top of the fact that people generally when they buy a cd want the cd to be a full 80 minutes, this is a HUGE reason why so many artists just burn out, i mean seriously i dont wanna 18 tracks of anybody in one shot, unless im at a concert. Lately i have been seeing a return to 10 tracks 45 minutes which is a good thing, because those artists are making stronger albums. So hats off to Justin and Beyonce for their numbers, but, do know what went into that, $$$ in promotion that is not going to even come close to being made up by their record sales.

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murph said:

SoulAlive said:



This is exactly what I was saying last week.I was like "big deal!" when they were saying that she would sell 500k in a week.These days,practically all of today's "hot" artists sell a ton of CDs in their first week,only to fade away soon thereafter.Despite all the hype,it's likely that Beyonce's CD will be out of the Top 10 in a few weeks.Today's pop music is like fast food...completely disposble and quickly forgotten.Kids buy this crap then quickly move on to the next big thing.When I was young,artists would release a big album and stay Number One for months,those days are long gone.



But that's a little misleading....Sales have been down across the board in every musical genre...And not because of pop music being disposable...It's because the music industry is scared to embrace the digital age...They are still fighting music downloading....By the way, There haven't been too many releases in recent months that have sold over 300, 000 copies the first week, let alone 600, 000....The average has been 100 to 150 K....Yeah, it's a new age...but it's bigger than music fast food...Beyonce drop off is to be expected...She's certainly not on an island....


Album sales r down because ppl just download the songs they like and not buy the whole album. A big first week means nothing and a album can still do badly over the long run.

Actually in the late 90s b4 there were digital downloads record companies didnt like to release singles for retail just because they would sell less albums!! But were forced to Inorder for a single to chart on the H100 it had to be released as a retail single but in 1998 billboard changed the rules and physical singles sales no longer counted towards chart position

Between 98-2005 airplay was the only way to reach H100
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asg said:

murph said:




But that's a little misleading....Sales have been down across the board in every musical genre...And not because of pop music being disposable...It's because the music industry is scared to embrace the digital age...They are still fighting music downloading....By the way, There haven't been too many releases in recent months that have sold over 300, 000 copies the first week, let alone 600, 000....The average has been 100 to 150 K....Yeah, it's a new age...but it's bigger than music fast food...Beyonce drop off is to be expected...She's certainly not on an island....


Album sales r down because ppl just download the songs they like and not buy the whole album. A big first week means nothing and a album can still do badly over the long run.

Actually in the late 90s b4 there were digital downloads record companies didnt like to release singles for retail just because they would sell less albums!! But were forced to Inorder for a single to chart on the H100 it had to be released as a retail single but in 1998 billboard changed the rules and physical singles sales no longer counted towards chart position

Between 98-2005 airplay was the only way to reach H100

Let me add an insource story here from a professional dj at a radiostation .
About 10 to 15 years ago , major recordcompanies sended a few boxes (!) filled with new cd's from all kinda artists .
So the radiostations had a wide variety and choice what to play .
Within a few years , the sended cd's became lesser and lesser ... merely the artists which the recordcompanies had their focus on .
There was one time that this dj called the company , why some new releases were missing in the post .
Their reply : " No , you're not gonna get it , because it has no priority ... play the artists we sended you in the formatted program , and then we'll might see after that what to do " ... which most of the time was nothing .
i know a big record-store to which recordcompanies simply won't deliver certain cd's because of that priority-statement .
The store sometimes has to take much steps to finally receive cd's from major-labeled artists .
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100MPH said:

asg said:



Album sales r down because ppl just download the songs they like and not buy the whole album. A big first week means nothing and a album can still do badly over the long run.

Actually in the late 90s b4 there were digital downloads record companies didnt like to release singles for retail just because they would sell less albums!! But were forced to Inorder for a single to chart on the H100 it had to be released as a retail single but in 1998 billboard changed the rules and physical singles sales no longer counted towards chart position

Between 98-2005 airplay was the only way to reach H100

Let me add an insource story here from a professional dj at a major radiocompany .
About 10 to 15 years ago , major recordcompanies sended a few boxes (!) filled with new cd's from all kinda artists .
So the radiostations had a wide variety and choice what to play .
Within a few years , the sended cd's became lesser and lesser ... merely the artists which the recordcompanies had their focus on .
There was one time that this dj called the company , why some new releases were missing in the post .
Their reply : " No , you're not gonna get it , because it has no priority ... play the artists we sended you in the formatted program , and then we'll might see after that what to do " ... which most of the time was nothing .
i know a big record-store to which recordcompanies simply won't deliver certain cd's because of that priority-statement .
The store sometimes has to take major steps to finally receive cd's from major-label artists .
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Oh of course, that is well known, I did Music retail for a long time and trust me, those Soundscan numbers do not truly represent what is sold over counter by any means. You have to remember that soundscan is determined by mainly what is ordered by a Record chain not what they sell over the counter, the reason that the numbers have been getting less and less is that stores are ordering alot less than they used too, and also alot of retailers have downsized their companies and music departments, the biggest being Musicland which closed 400 stores last/this year. I have worked with buyers and trust me, labels are very shady. I remembera few years ago when the last Jay z came out and the buyer for my company went to universal and was going to purchase 50,000 copies of it for the whole chain, the label said "no", you have to buy 150,000, but we will cut you a deal on the price if you order that many, which she did, and of course as a company we ended up sending back about half of it in a few weeks when it wasnt selling. So i would honestly say that when you look at a soundscan number about 30-40% of that is actually sold to the consumer.
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Reply #21 posted 09/20/06 12:05pm

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100MPH said:


Let me add an insource story here from a professional dj at a major radiocompany .
About 10 to 15 years ago , major recordcompanies sended a few boxes (!) filled with new cd's from all kinda artists .
So the radiostations had a wide variety and choice what to play .
Within a few years , the sended cd's became lesser and lesser ... merely the artists which the recordcompanies had their focus on .
There was one time that this dj called the company , why some new releases were missing in the post .
Their reply : " No , you're not gonna get it , because it has no priority ... play the artists we sended you in the formatted program , and then we'll might see after that what to do " ... which most of the time was nothing .
i know a big record-store to which recordcompanies simply won't deliver certain cd's because of that priority-statement .
The store sometimes has to take major steps to finally receive cd's from major-label artists .
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[Edited 9/20/06 11:43am]


Oh of course, that is well known, I did Music retail for a long time and trust me, those Soundscan numbers do not truly represent what is sold over counter by any means. You have to remember that soundscan is determined by mainly what is ordered by a Record chain not what they sell over the counter, the reason that the numbers have been getting less and less is that stores are ordering alot less than they used too, and also alot of retailers have downsized their companies and music departments, the biggest being Musicland which closed 400 stores last/this year. I have worked with buyers and trust me, labels are very shady. I remembera few years ago when the last Jay z came out and the buyer for my company went to universal and was going to purchase 50,000 copies of it for the whole chain, the label said "no", you have to buy 150,000, but we will cut you a deal on the price if you order that many, which she did, and of course as a company we ended up sending back about half of it in a few weeks when it wasnt selling. So i would honestly say that when you look at a soundscan number about 30-40% of that is actually sold to the consumer.

Hey thanx for your inside-hook .
Yeah , you get a real good perspective at things when reading that .
What surprises me also is about a topic which started recently about Latoya Jackson .
Apart from wheter one digs her work or not , her album is distributed through Universal :

http://www.jatail.com/jatail.htm

Now from the moment that thread appeared , i tried to find some on Google .
The subjects coming from major labels on the google-page are low 2 nothing :

http://www.google.nl/sear...eken&meta=

Seems like another example of an artist that is not given much exposure .
The release-date in the Jatail " music "-link states at " Early ( ! ) 2006 "
Maybe i'm wrong but it's all so vague .
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Reply #22 posted 09/21/06 4:07am

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This is exactly what I was saying last week.I was like "big deal!" when they were saying that she would sell 500k in a week.These days,practically all of today's "hot" artists sell a ton of CDs in their first week,only to fade away soon thereafter.Despite all the hype,it's likely that Beyonce's CD will be out of the Top 10 in a few weeks.Today's pop music is like fast food...completely disposble and quickly forgotten.Kids buy this crap then quickly move on to the next big thing.When I was young,artists would release a big album and stay Number One for months,those days are long gone.



But that's a little misleading....Sales have been down across the board in every musical genre...And not because of pop music being disposable...It's because the music industry is scared to embrace the digital age...They are still fighting music downloading....By the way, There haven't been too many releases in recent months that have sold over 300, 000 copies the first week, let alone 600, 000....The average has been 100 to 150 K....Yeah, it's a new age...but it's bigger than music fast food...Beyonce drop off is to be expected...She's certainly not on an island....



I see what you're saying,but it's just amazing to me how many CDs come out with alot of hype then quickly fade away.I mean,just look at that chart...Christina Aguilera's CD is already out of the Top 10! All the hype,all the promotion,all the payola and she can't even stay in the Top 10 for more than a few weeks? The same thing will happen to Justin and Beyonce.Record labels are losing millions on these big,over-hyped albums that never seem to reach their full sales potential.
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