Graycap23 said:

In my opinion there is a more sinister reason why this type of culture has evolved. First, note that although Black Americans have been under the gun of oppression for the majority of their presence in the U.S. and only somewhat equal to their white counterparts with the enactment of the civil rights amendment less than a generation ago, we're still here. Which indicates the resolve of the Black American community to survive.

Next note that one method to ensure destruction of a people is to destroy the family unit as previously done to Native American Indians.

Third, note the control of the money is in the hands of the record companies. Look to our record company owners and executives...(you just may find a nazi there) for the reasons why they'll pay an artist millions of dollars to disrespect his girlfriend, wife, mother, sister, daughter. Ask them why the only black females in hip hop videos got half their ass and tits exposed.

Our youth are very impressionable at this young age regardless of race...wow, if dude can have bling bling, ching ching, and a harem of sexy, half naked females drooling over him without bothering to get an education, so can I...hence, the brainwashing of an entire culture. Combine that with the ready availability of drugs and guns in the community and you create a situation ripe for destruction.

The hip hop company executives and producers glamorize the thug life, this is not an accident or a natural progression of the music of the fathers of rap and hip hop. It is by design. The thug life, in most cases, leads to either prision or homelessness. Today's prisons are quickly filling up with young black men and changing hands from being state run to privately held. The second most cost efficient method to high profits, besides convincing one to hand over 1/10 of your already taxed wages, is with cheap labor. This method of course we all know was instituted to "bring forth to this continent a new nation"...Abe Lincoln, and is still being used today, but under a different mask. The 13th Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, which was enacted over 100 years ago set the stage for what we see on BET today..."There shall be no slavery nor involuntary servitude in the U.S. except for punishment of a crime...",..hmmm wasn't it the slave gang that built the railroads? We were resilient then to withstand the harsh reality of corporate america, and apparently some of us still are. That is why, I believe this issue is not an issue in those other races.

I just pray that one day some artist or anybody who is not afraid to make a stand will stand up and open the eyes of our young Black Americans before the entire community is dismantled.
[Edited 9/18/06 13:24pm]

I'm not going to say that ppl that make hip hop are ignorant. I think Common, Black thought, Mos Def, Talib, etc are bright brothas.

I also don't see that 50 of the top black artists are doing this either.

So what are we really Trying to say about black ppl with this thread?


or are we talking about a genre of music in which I've heard white and latino rappers speak about themselves using derogatory language as well?

Rhondab said:

I hear but I think one of the points of this thread? No other race BUT Us would accept this. I find that interesting in and of itself.

Graycap23 said:

You don't hear me.

Who is accepting it? How many times to we have to see commentaries, arguments and discussions on how this isn't right for our community?


give me a break.

A large portion of the Black population is self-hating. Why? That's a thread for p&r.
If you told me the only negative thing in rap would be the n-word, I would be happy, why would I be happy? Because the glorification of misogyny, drugs and violence would be gone.....(in music)..... Attacking women, selling drugs to destroy one's own people for nominal profit, killing for no reason. Imagine if Mos Def, Common, Paris, Public Enemy typifyed the content of hip-hop. The modern rappers are less than minstrels. A minstrel was multi-talented, could sing, dance and act; he had very few options. A minstrel was only a minstrel on stage, these rappers are minstrels on and off. Thug Life is bullshit. These thug rappers are not to be admired.

Let me go after the big ones:

Jay-Z (The head Jigga in charge) : You gotta be one ignorant motherfucker to turn one of the most Love affirming Black songs like Ain't No Woman Like the One I Got by the four tops into something like Ain't No Nigga. This motherfucker gonna go on Charlie Rose and when Charlie asked him Why the name Rocafella, he's gonna say Rockefeller represents the best in America. I guess Jigga thinks criminal monopolies are the best.

Biggie: I've been robbing nigga's since the slave ships. Imagine a jewish artist saying he was robbing in auschwitz?

Tupac: a Thug hero, big fuckin' deal. When he wasn't in jail with millions of other Black men, He was in videos were alcohol was being poured down a women's vagina.

I have nothing against these men, they're oppressed Black men who can't do shit to empower Black people. They might be able to help their families and get some brothers a job, but that's it and all they should be recognized for besides their talents. They have the power to really help Black people by promoting self-love and empowerement, which wouldn't cost a thing. They don't ,they keep using the word nigga. They thing about the word nigger, it could be used as some fad term of enderment, but it can never imply respect for another person.

Would you call your mother a nigger? your father, grandparents? Would you call MLK a nigger. Malcom X? anyone who was a decent human being worthy of respect? That's the thing, anyone who call themselves or other people a nigger, doesn't respect themselves. These rappers aren't using the word as satire or as empowering as some artist did in the 70's, despite 2pacs Never Ignorant About Getting Goals Accomplished ...what goals did 2pac get accomplished?

There is a negative aspect to all music as a controlling mechanism, as John Lennon was trying to say near the end of his life. We all have to worry!!!

Better question? Does anybody here know about Norwegian Black Metal? Bands kill each other and eat the body parts... imagine if this one genre dominated an entire culture or was as pervasive as hip-hop in the Black community. Imagine if Norwegian Black Metal was Norway's most proftable and visible commercial export?
[Edited 9/18/06 18:52pm]

Rhondab said:

U are ignoring that FACTS. The fact that this has been going on for YEARS....means that it has been accepted. How long would it take for the Jewish community to squash this type of mess?..... About 2 days and it would NOT be tolerated.

Graycap23 said:

I'm not ignoring anything. I recognize the issue but I don't see this as a lack of integrity and response of black people. I do recall cd burnings of Calvin Butts and the like.


So tell me, what are you doing?

Moonwalkbjrain said:

Richard Pryor's use it for a long time, tho

NDRU said:

and thats wat i was reffering to in my other post where i said rappers didnt start it. if people wanna get to the root of the problem and squash it than u have to look at it from all sides and stop tryin to lay blame in one place. one thing about rappers now is this keep it real shit, they use nigger - nigga wat ev, in real life so obviously they're gonna use it in their songs (especially now)

No one group or person is the cause nor the solution. My focused question was on the entertainment community because they are RESPONSIBLE for the images that people around the world see of the Black community (if they don't have any actual contact with black folk)

Rhondab said:

As a collective we have accepted this. U cannot deny that.
I'm piecing together something that will make an impact on my community. If we do not DEMAND better we certainly won't GET it.

Moonwalkbjrain said:

right. I guess I was referring to the fact that he put it on record a long time ago, too.

A large portion of the Black population is self-hating. Why? That's a thread for p&r.
If you told me the only negative thing in rap would be the n-word, I would be happy, why would I be happy? Because the glorification of misogyny, drugs and violence would be gone.....(in music)..... Attacking women, selling drugs to destroy one's own people for nominal profit, killing for no reason. Imagine if Mos Def, Common, Paris, Public Enemy typifyed the content of hip-hop. The modern rappers are less than minstrels. A minstrel was multi-talented, could sing, dance and act; he had very few options. A minstrel was only a minstrel on stage, these rappers are minstrels on and off. Thug Life is bullshit. These thug rappers are not to be admired.

Let me go after the big ones:

Jay-Z (The head Jigga in charge) : You gotta be one ignorant motherfucker to turn one of the most Love affirming Black songs like Ain't No Woman Like the One I Got by the four tops into something like Ain't No Nigga. This motherfucker gonna go on Charlie Rose and when Charlie asked him Why the name Rocafella, he's gonna say Rockefeller represents the best in America. I guess Jigga thinks criminal monopolies are the best.

Biggie: I've been robbing nigga's since the slave ships. Imagine a jewish artist saying he was robbing in auschwitz?

Tupac: a Thug hero, big fuckin' deal. When he wasn't in jail with millions of other Black men, He was in videos were alcohol was being poured down a women's vagina.

I have nothing against these men, they're oppressed Black men who can't do shit to empower Black people. They might be able to help their families and get some brothers a job, but that's it and all they should be recognized for besides their talents. They have the power to really help Black people by promoting self-love and empowerement, which wouldn't cost a thing. They don't ,they keep using the word nigga. They thing about the word nigger, it could be used as some fad term of enderment, but it can never imply respect for another person.

Would you call your mother a nigger? your father, grandparents? Would you call MLK a nigger. Malcom X? anyone who was a decent human being worthy of respect? That's the thing, anyone who call themselves or other people a nigger, doesn't respect themselves. These rappers aren't using the word as satire or as empowering as some artist did in the 70's, despite 2pacs Never Ignorant About Getting Goals Accomplished ...what goals did 2pac get accomplished?

There is a negative aspect to all music as a controlling mechanism, as John Lennon was trying to say near the end of his life. We all have to worry!!!

Better question? Does anybody here know about Norwegian Black Metal? Bands kill each other and eat the body parts... imagine if this one genre dominated an entire culture or was as pervasive as hip-hop in the Black community. Imagine if Norwegian Black Metal was Norway's most proftable and visible commercial export?
[Edited 9/18/06 18:52pm]

Ifsixwuz9 said:

lilgish said:

A minstrel was only a minstrel on stage, these rappers are minstrels on and off. Thug Life is bullshit. These thug rappers are not to be admired.

Graycap23 said:

and I disagree, that as a collective we have just accepted it. Most hip hop is purchased by white teens, not black folks.

I think the voice of the minority is just louder but that doesn't mean the majority is silent either.

A large portion of the Black population is self-hating. Why? That's a thread for p&r.
If you told me the only negative thing in rap would be the n-word, I would be happy, why would I be happy? Because the glorification of misogyny, drugs and violence would be gone.....(in music)..... Attacking women, selling drugs to destroy one's own people for nominal profit, killing for no reason. Imagine if Mos Def, Common, Paris, Public Enemy typifyed the content of hip-hop. The modern rappers are less than minstrels. A minstrel was multi-talented, could sing, dance and act; he had very few options. A minstrel was only a minstrel on stage, these rappers are minstrels on and off. Thug Life is bullshit. These thug rappers are not to be admired.

Let me go after the big ones:

Jay-Z (The head Jigga in charge) : You gotta be one ignorant motherfucker to turn one of the most Love affirming Black songs like Ain't No Woman Like the One I Got by the four tops into something like Ain't No Nigga. This motherfucker gonna go on Charlie Rose and when Charlie asked him Why the name Rocafella, he's gonna say Rockefeller represents the best in America. I guess Jigga thinks criminal monopolies are the best.

Biggie: I've been robbing nigga's since the slave ships. Imagine a jewish artist saying he was robbing in auschwitz?

Tupac: a Thug hero, big fuckin' deal. When he wasn't in jail with millions of other Black men, He was in videos were alcohol was being poured down a women's vagina.

I have nothing against these men, they're oppressed Black men who can't do shit to empower Black people. They might be able to help their families and get some brothers a job, but that's it and all they should be recognized for besides their talents. They have the power to really help Black people by promoting self-love and empowerement, which wouldn't cost a thing. They don't ,they keep using the word nigga. They thing about the word nigger, it could be used as some fad term of enderment, but it can never imply respect for another person.

Would you call your mother a nigger? your father, grandparents? Would you call MLK a nigger. Malcom X? anyone who was a decent human being worthy of respect? That's the thing, anyone who call themselves or other people a nigger, doesn't respect themselves. These rappers aren't using the word as satire or as empowering as some artist did in the 70's, despite 2pacs Never Ignorant About Getting Goals Accomplished ...what goals did 2pac get accomplished?

There is a negative aspect to all music as a controlling mechanism, as John Lennon was trying to say near the end of his life. We all have to worry!!!

Better question? Does anybody here know about Norwegian Black Metal? Bands kill each other and eat the body parts... imagine if this one genre dominated an entire culture or was as pervasive as hip-hop in the Black community. Imagine if Norwegian Black Metal was Norway's most proftable and visible commercial export?
[Edited 9/18/06 18:52pm]