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Reply #30 posted 09/18/06 7:33pm

iconsweat

MikeMatronik said:

[i]So tell me about the way you see Tori Amos? wink


She has her place in the pantheon for me And A Gun alone.
"when Im in those arms of yours I'm so gone"-With U/Janet
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Reply #31 posted 09/18/06 8:13pm

sallysassalot

GangstaFam said:

sallysassalot said:

very few artists, musical or otherwise, give me cause to think introspectively. for better or for worse that is just how it is. tori is one of the first (and, unfortunately, one of the few remaining) who push me, through their body of work, to question my beliefs, my views, my opinions...even the way i think. do i feel what i feel as a result of some dead dogma i hold or can i take the pressure of my own convictions, can i handle the good and the bad of what these indentities bring...these are only a few of the things her work asks of me.

as i've evolved, matured, regressed (lol)...whatever you prefer to call it...as its happened, i have no doubt often felt at odds with tori's view. nonetheless, the music and the words are compelling and heartfelt and honest and insightful. i have to give props where props are due, even if i think she's wrong. having opposing beliefs yet loving the work may seem like a paradox but its no different than discussing religion or politics with friends who have different views. sometimes you learn something new...about yourself or about the person you're speaking with...but there is a benefit to that communication.

and the emotion...her work is raw, to the bone. she's just amazing. how one person can convey all that emotion through melody, music, and lyrics...wonderous. bitch pumps my pussy. and in the end, i suppose that's what its all about.

Which of her beliefs are at odds with your own? The feminism? The Magdalene theories?

oh, there's a ton. her view of christianity, her comfort within kabbala, paganism, and even satanism...not saying she is practicing any of those religions...but her comfort with them is enough for her and i to have a sit down with a good bottle of something red and go at it. lol
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Reply #32 posted 09/19/06 2:58am

AlexdeParis

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Add me to the "I've never been able to get into her" list. It didn't help that she covered my favorite song poorly. disbelief At least she has good taste in music!
"Whitney was purely and simply one of a kind." ~ Clive Davis
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Reply #33 posted 09/19/06 3:00am

GangstaFam

AlexdeParis said:

Add me to the "I've never been able to get into her" list. It didn't help that she covered my favorite song poorly. disbelief At least she has good taste in music!

Which song?
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Reply #34 posted 09/19/06 3:11am

AlexdeParis

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GangstaFam said:

AlexdeParis said:

Add me to the "I've never been able to get into her" list. It didn't help that she covered my favorite song poorly. disbelief At least she has good taste in music!

Which song?

"Don't Dream It's Over" by Crowded House (it was live in Australia IIRC)

To be honest, I've heard her do covers well, but this one doesn't qualify IMO.
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Reply #35 posted 09/19/06 3:13am

GangstaFam

AlexdeParis said:

"Don't Dream It's Over" by Crowded House (it was live in Australia IIRC)

To be honest, I've heard her do covers well, but this one doesn't qualify IMO.

I have that one downloaded, but still haven't listened to it. Maybe I should dig it out.
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Reply #36 posted 09/19/06 4:45am

IstenSzek

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HamsterHuey said:

Now that looked REALLY negative, so here my lovesong to Tori.

I love her voice. I love her being all faerie. I love her being vague, as it gets the most beautiful prose. And interviews. And weirdest song introductions/interuptions/outro's. Weird is good.

I love her brutal openness in the eye of ever present evil; singing away the demons and in that way binding most women of one generation to her. And most people ever abused. I love her volunteer work.

I love that her work is able to make me cry. I love that she and her music affect some people I know in such a profound way (you know who you are!). I love her being compared to Kate Bush, cuz it makes EVERY Kate or Tori thread here go bezerk.

I love her eyes. Her hair. Her lips. Her voice when she talks. Her stomping foot when she plays piano.

I just love her. I forgive her all the stuff from my previous post. She is the voice of a generation.


eek

herman. go write a book. NOW. your writing is at an all time peak with this
and the "Chaffed knees" story you showed me a while ago!

oh and i completely agree with what you wrote since it is exactly what i'd
say about her but was unable to put into words this well

bow
and true love lives on lollipops and crisps
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Reply #37 posted 09/19/06 6:59am

sallysassalot

sallysassalot said:

GangstaFam said:


Which of her beliefs are at odds with your own? The feminism? The Magdalene theories?

oh, there's a ton. her view of christianity, her comfort within kabbala, paganism, and even satanism...not saying she is practicing any of those religions...but her comfort with them is enough for her and i to have a sit down with a good bottle of something red and go at it. lol
some of her politics can frustrate me, also.
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Reply #38 posted 09/19/06 12:15pm

GangstaFam

sallysassalot said:

sallysassalot said:


oh, there's a ton. her view of christianity, her comfort within kabbala, paganism, and even satanism...not saying she is practicing any of those religions...but her comfort with them is enough for her and i to have a sit down with a good bottle of something red and go at it. lol
some of her politics can frustrate me, also.

But don't they make perfect sense for her?

I can't understand where she's coming from 100% of the time, but I totally respect the way she thinks and gathers information.
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Reply #39 posted 09/19/06 3:57pm

HamsterHuey

IstenSzek said:

the "Chaffed knees" story you showed me a while ago!


The correct title is "Park Release", mr.

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Reply #40 posted 09/19/06 5:08pm

GangstaFam

HamsterHuey said:

IstenSzek said:

the "Chaffed knees" story you showed me a while ago!


The correct title is "Park Release", mr.


What's that all about?
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Reply #41 posted 09/20/06 1:29am

HamsterHuey

GangstaFam said:

HamsterHuey said:



The correct title is "Park Release", mr.



What's that all about?


Can't say on this thread. Unless you want it hi-jacked.
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Reply #42 posted 09/20/06 1:31am

GangstaFam

HamsterHuey said:

Can't say on this thread. Unless you want it hi-jacked.

Is there a link? If not, hijack away!
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Reply #43 posted 09/20/06 1:36am

HamsterHuey

GangstaFam said:

HamsterHuey said:

Can't say on this thread. Unless you want it hi-jacked.

Is there a link? If not, hijack away!


LoL

For an gay online magazine I am writing a short about cruising. It's called "Park Release" and I sent Isten the first batch of words while I was doddling away with it.

They are probably going to refuse it, as it is way too literairy for their needs and way too racy. It is also about a married man, cruising on the the side, so that is probably not what they want...
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Reply #44 posted 09/20/06 1:38am

GangstaFam

HamsterHuey said:

LoL

For an gay online magazine I am writing a short about cruising. It's called "Park Release" and I sent Isten the first batch of words while I was doddling away with it.

They are probably going to refuse it, as it is way too literairy for their needs and way too racy. It is also about a married man, cruising on the the side, so that is probably not what they want...

omg

Riot Poof!
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Reply #45 posted 09/20/06 1:42am

HamsterHuey

GangstaFam said:

HamsterHuey said:

LoL

For an gay online magazine I am writing a short about cruising. It's called "Park Release" and I sent Isten the first batch of words while I was doddling away with it.

They are probably going to refuse it, as it is way too literairy for their needs and way too racy. It is also about a married man, cruising on the the side, so that is probably not what they want...

omg

Riot Poof!


You still don't know how it cracks me up to see such a Dutch word turn up in English because of Tori.

giggle
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Reply #46 posted 09/20/06 1:43am

HamsterHuey

MikeMatronik said:

Sorry for posting this.


As you should! How dare you!
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Reply #47 posted 09/20/06 1:46am

GangstaFam

HamsterHuey said:

You still don't know how it cracks me up to see such a Dutch word turn up in English because of Tori.

giggle

"What language? No Dutch."

She loves you Dutchies. nod
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Reply #48 posted 09/20/06 1:51am

HamsterHuey

GangstaFam said:

HamsterHuey said:

You still don't know how it cracks me up to see such a Dutch word turn up in English because of Tori.

giggle

"What language? No Dutch."

She loves you Dutchies. nod


She just recognises the language cuz I am sure she heard Marcel talk Dutch loads of the time.
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Reply #49 posted 09/20/06 1:53am

GangstaFam

HamsterHuey said:

She just recognises the language cuz I am sure she heard Marcel talk Dutch loads of the time.

Van Limbeek?
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Reply #50 posted 09/20/06 1:59am

HamsterHuey

GangstaFam said:

HamsterHuey said:

She just recognises the language cuz I am sure she heard Marcel talk Dutch loads of the time.

Van Limbeek?


Yes, the term Riot Poof is a literal translation of a dutch slang word for 'outrageous gau person'. Tori said in an interview (this is from memory, so probably warped info) that van Limbeek came out (or came out to his family) and the song is sorta about that.
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Reply #51 posted 09/20/06 2:07am

GangstaFam

HamsterHuey said:

Yes, the term Riot Poof is a literal translation of a dutch slang word for 'outrageous gau person'. Tori said in an interview (this is from memory, so probably warped info) that van Limbeek came out (or came out to his family) and the song is sorta about that.

Isn't it also a rough translation of 'drama queen'?
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Reply #52 posted 09/20/06 2:30am

HamsterHuey

GangstaFam said:

HamsterHuey said:

Yes, the term Riot Poof is a literal translation of a dutch slang word for 'outrageous gau person'. Tori said in an interview (this is from memory, so probably warped info) that van Limbeek came out (or came out to his family) and the song is sorta about that.

Isn't it also a rough translation of 'drama queen'?


No. It is KINDA alike, but not quite. It just means being a loud and outrageous faggot.
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Reply #53 posted 09/20/06 2:32am

GangstaFam

HamsterHuey said:

No. It is KINDA alike, but not quite. It just means being a loud and outrageous faggot.

lol
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Reply #54 posted 09/20/06 2:33am

HamsterHuey

GangstaFam said:

HamsterHuey said:

No. It is KINDA alike, but not quite. It just means being a loud and outrageous faggot.

lol


I never been called Riot Poof. cool
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Reply #55 posted 09/20/06 2:35am

GangstaFam

HamsterHuey said:

I never been called Riot Poof. cool

Me neither. But I have been called an outrageous faggot on several occasions.
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Reply #56 posted 09/20/06 2:37am

HamsterHuey

GangstaFam said:

HamsterHuey said:

I never been called Riot Poof. cool

Me neither. But I have been called an outrageous faggot on several occasions.


Petra keeps calling me a bitch, just cuz my sarcasm is so sosphisticated, it's like a sharp tuna knife.
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Reply #57 posted 09/20/06 2:37am

GangstaFam

HamsterHuey said:

Petra.

I don't know who that is. The 80's Christian band?
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Reply #58 posted 09/20/06 2:40am

HamsterHuey

GangstaFam said:

HamsterHuey said:

Petra.

I don't know who that is. The 80's Christian band?


It's AndGodCreatedme, I think. I always mix her online name with that of Marion's. I always have to look them up to be sure.
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Reply #59 posted 09/20/06 2:41am

GangstaFam

HamsterHuey said:


It's AndGodCreatedme, I think. I always mix her online name with that of Marion's. I always have to look them up to be sure.

Ah. Gotcha.
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