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Reply #30 posted 09/12/06 9:22am

Graycap23

funkpill said:

Graycap23 said:



That would be fine but white folks DON'T see it this way. They BELIEVE he did come up with this stuff.....hence the KING of Rock and Roll.



So instead of him being called The King Of Rock And Roll,


should he be called The King Of Rock And Roll, According To White Folks?? hmmm


I really dug Elvis but he is NO king of anything except maybe OVERDOSING.
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Reply #31 posted 09/12/06 9:40am

SexyBeautifulO
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Ok, confession time. Thought I'd get through life without ever having to admit this, damn peer pressure! Anyhoo, here goes...


I like Elvis movies. There I said it! Yes, whenever there's an Elvis movie marthon on cable, I watch and enjoy them.

I think he was cool at best. His greatness to me has always been over exaggerated.

Would I buy an Elvis record? Hell naw! Would I take one if it were giving to me? Depends on the condition it's in, my mama didn't raise no fool! wink
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Reply #32 posted 09/12/06 9:42am

uPtoWnNY

Graycap23 said:

funkpill said:




So instead of him being called The King Of Rock And Roll,


should he be called The King Of Rock And Roll, According To White Folks?? hmmm


I really dug Elvis but he is NO king of anything except maybe OVERDOSING.


..and OVEREATING.
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Reply #33 posted 09/12/06 9:46am

Graycap23

uPtoWnNY said:

Graycap23 said:



I really dug Elvis but he is NO king of anything except maybe OVERDOSING.


..and OVEREATING.


Lol.....that 2.
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Reply #34 posted 09/12/06 10:00am

whatsgoingon

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SexyBeautifulOne said:

Ok, confession time. Thought I'd get through life without ever having to admit this, damn peer pressure! Anyhoo, here goes...


I like Elvis movies. There I said it! Yes, whenever there's an Elvis movie marthon on cable, I watch and enjoy them.

I think he was cool at best. His greatness to me has always been over exaggerated.

Would I buy an Elvis record? Hell naw! Would I take one if it were giving to me? Depends on the condition it's in, my mama didn't raise no fool! wink

I really liked his movies too...when I was about 10.
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Reply #35 posted 09/12/06 10:08am

Harlepolis

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Jackie Wilson
Al Green
James Brown
Isaac Hayes
B.B. King


HA!

Uncle Tomming to the EXTREME effect, gotta love some of my people, man rolleyes

Ok, I get the fact that your fake ass LOVES the dust out of his shoe-shine, thats your own take to live with. But to say that "every black solo entertainer copied his stage mannerisms/had an influence on everybody with his musical approach/and influenced everyone in the business/there would have been no end to his inventiveness".

??? confused ???

Get-The-Black-&-Blue-Fuck-Out-Of-Here disbelief

Good lord, my blood boiled from reading all that token-ish mess.
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Reply #36 posted 09/12/06 10:14am

uPtoWnNY

Harlepolis said:

WildStyle said:


Jackie Wilson
Al Green
James Brown
Isaac Hayes
B.B. King


HA!

Uncle Tomming to the EXTREME effect, gotta love some of my people, man rolleyes

Ok, I get the fact that your fake ass LOVES the dust out of his shoe-shine, thats your own take to live with. But to say that "every black solo entertainer copied his stage mannerisms/had an influence on everybody with his musical approach/and influenced everyone in the business/there would have been no end to his inventiveness".

??? confused ???

Get-The-Black-&-Blue-Fuck-Out-Of-Here disbelief

Good lord, my blood boiled from reading all that token-ish mess.




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Reply #37 posted 09/12/06 10:21am

uPtoWnNY

uPtoWnNY said:

Graycap23 said:



I really dug Elvis but he is NO king of anything except maybe OVERDOSING.


..and OVEREATING.



According to Elvis' cook, he loved fried peanut-butter and banana sandwiches - dayum, no wonder that bloated hillbilly died on the toilet.

The best was when Nixon made Elvis the drug czar, meanwhile Elvis was a walking drugstore. Dude was out of control.
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Reply #38 posted 09/12/06 10:24am

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funkpill said:

Graycap23 said:



That would be fine but white folks DON'T see it this way. They BELIEVE he did come up with this stuff.....hence the KING of Rock and Roll.



So instead of him being called The King Of Rock And Roll,


should he be called The King Of Rock And Roll, According To White Folks?? hmmm


Yea.. lol The only people I hear call him the King of Rock and Roll are white folks.
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Reply #39 posted 09/12/06 10:26am

NDRU

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Harlepolis said:

guitarslinger44 said:



Everyone's a product of that which they listen to. Miles Davis's "Sketches Of Spain" is a result of his listening to classical music. In fact, he rarely listened to anything but classical music around his house (until he got into the funk and rock stuff later on). Does that mean he "stole" from the composers whose music he "borrowed?"


There's a THICK line between "being influenced" and "ripping the hell off".

Now when you've been influenced, you don't over-shadow it on your character(Like Miles). But when you're ripping-off, you steal another person's WHOLE character(Like Elvis).

When I hear a Miles song, I know who's playing regardless what song or style he's adobting. But when I hear Elvis, I hear a cheap parody of Chuck, Ike, Little Richard and Jackie Wilson,,I don't really hear whats Elvis all about.


It's funny because obviously I know what you're saying, but Elvis doesn't sound a thing like Chuck, Richard, or Jackie Wilson to me.

And (for better or worse) that rock & roll thing was just a small part of Elvis' career. I don't think Little Richard & Chuck Berry influenced "It's Now or Never or "Viva Las Vegas" or "If I Can Dream" or "Suspicious Minds" or the cape & rhinestone karate thing--like I say for better or worse--Elvis had a lot of his own style.
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Reply #40 posted 09/12/06 10:37am

Harlepolis

NDRU said:

Harlepolis said:



There's a THICK line between "being influenced" and "ripping the hell off".

Now when you've been influenced, you don't over-shadow it on your character(Like Miles). But when you're ripping-off, you steal another person's WHOLE character(Like Elvis).

When I hear a Miles song, I know who's playing regardless what song or style he's adobting. But when I hear Elvis, I hear a cheap parody of Chuck, Ike, Little Richard and Jackie Wilson,,I don't really hear whats Elvis all about.


It's funny because obviously I know what you're saying, but Elvis doesn't sound a thing like Chuck, Richard, or Jackie Wilson to me.

And (for better or worse) that rock & roll thing was just a small part of Elvis' career. I don't think Little Richard & Chuck Berry influenced "It's Now or Never or "Viva Las Vegas" or "If I Can Dream" or "Suspicious Minds" or the cape & rhinestone karate thing--like I say for better or worse--Elvis had a lot of his own style.


shrug

Yep, he got his own style, alright. His own style of snatching up,,,,and apparently, he was good at it.

Look, more power to whoever digs him(for the SAME reason folks dig Justin Temberfake).

EVERYBODY knows the real deal, some except it and some block it out. All fine by me.
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Reply #41 posted 09/12/06 10:42am

NDRU

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Harlepolis said:

NDRU said:



It's funny because obviously I know what you're saying, but Elvis doesn't sound a thing like Chuck, Richard, or Jackie Wilson to me.

And (for better or worse) that rock & roll thing was just a small part of Elvis' career. I don't think Little Richard & Chuck Berry influenced "It's Now or Never or "Viva Las Vegas" or "If I Can Dream" or "Suspicious Minds" or the cape & rhinestone karate thing--like I say for better or worse--Elvis had a lot of his own style.


shrug

Yep, he got his own style, alright. His own style of snatching up,,,,and apparently, he was good at it.

Look, more power to whoever digs him(for the SAME reason folks dig Justin Temberfake).

EVERYBODY knows the real deal, some except it and some block it out. All fine by me.


Yep, everyone knows he didn't invent rock & roll, but you're right, he was good at it. Good enough to have his own take on it.

If Justin was good, would that be wrong to like him just because he didn't invent R&B?
[Edited 9/12/06 10:44am]
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Reply #42 posted 09/12/06 10:55am

Harlepolis

NDRU said:

Harlepolis said:



shrug

Yep, he got his own style, alright. His own style of snatching up,,,,and apparently, he was good at it.

Look, [more power to whoever digs him](for the SAME reason folks dig Justin Temberfake).

EVERYBODY knows the real deal, some except it and some block it out. All fine by me.


Yep, everyone knows he didn't invent rock & roll, but you're right, he was good at it. Good enough to have his own take on it.

If Justin was good, would that be wrong to like him just because he didn't invent R&B?


There, my dear lol
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Reply #43 posted 09/12/06 10:58am

NDRU

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Harlepolis said:

NDRU said:



Yep, everyone knows he didn't invent rock & roll, but you're right, he was good at it. Good enough to have his own take on it.

If Justin was good, would that be wrong to like him just because he didn't invent R&B?


There, my dear lol


I FEEL THE POWER!!!!!
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Reply #44 posted 09/12/06 12:16pm

Justin1972UK

I don't own any of his songs, but the songs that I do like, I like the songs and not particularly his interpretation of them. If you know what I mean.

Having said that, I'd rather listen to Elvis than say... Pat Boone.

In any case, Ike Turner invented rock n' roll.

http://arts.guardian.co.u...58,00.html
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Reply #45 posted 09/12/06 12:23pm

NDRU

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Justin1972UK said:

I like the songs and not particularly his interpretation of them.


Hound Dog was one he really got wrong. It's sounds fine, but totally misses any meaning the song has.
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Reply #46 posted 09/12/06 12:44pm

brownsugar

not an elvis fan. i think he's been made to be more than what he really is, and with that it makes me slightly angry. my opinion is more along the lines of what thready and harlie said.
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Reply #47 posted 09/12/06 12:55pm

pfunkpilot

No one person invented rock&roll, Blues, Bebop, Hip Hop or Jazz. All this music is the music of our ancestors calling to us. We have had the advantage in the modern age to record these musical feelings,so many often point to certain points in recorded history and say this is the root of so and so. It is difficult for me to party in Brazil, Mexico and Cuba and believe that we in America started R&R without some help. Elvis gave white girls and their mothers a sex symbol they could cling to. That's how he blew up.
since Run & Them were saying "Here we go"
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Reply #48 posted 09/12/06 1:23pm

NDRU

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not an elvis fan. i think he's been made to be more than what he really is, and with that it makes me slightly angry. my opinion is more along the lines of what thready and harlie said.


I totally understand this, but I wonder if he'd never been a star, would you feel differently about his singing?
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Reply #49 posted 09/12/06 1:32pm

whatsgoingon

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To be fair to Elvis I do think he had a great voice.
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Reply #50 posted 09/12/06 1:37pm

lofimofo

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i agree with harlepolis. elvis ripped off black musicians and opened the way
for more fakes like the rolling stones or led zepplin. white people need white
entertainers, i dont know why... eminem is supposed to be the greatest rapper...
ha! mad
i'm labeled as a bad character
no matter what i do
i'm labeled as a bad character
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Reply #51 posted 09/12/06 1:53pm

calldapplwonde
ry83

lofimofo said:

i agree with harlepolis. elvis ripped off black musicians and opened the way
for more fakes like the rolling stones or led zepplin. white people need white
entertainers, i dont know why... eminem is supposed to be the greatest rapper...
ha! mad



You cannot deny every white musician to do the music they like.
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Reply #52 posted 09/12/06 1:59pm

lofimofo

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calldapplwondery83 said:

lofimofo said:

i agree with harlepolis. elvis ripped off black musicians and opened the way
for more fakes like the rolling stones or led zepplin. white people need white
entertainers, i dont know why... eminem is supposed to be the greatest rapper...
ha! mad



You cannot deny every white musician to do the music they like.


i just prefer the real originators...
i'm labeled as a bad character
no matter what i do
i'm labeled as a bad character
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Reply #53 posted 09/12/06 2:07pm

shockadelicaa

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WildStyle said:

The greatest!

shockadelicaa, there is something in Elvis' catelogue for everyone. He sang every style of music and did it damn well.


Wellll, I do like "A Little Less Conversation"...though not that god-awful remix. mad
"You could say I'm a terminal case/You could burn up my clothes/Smash up my ride...well, maybe not the ride"
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Reply #54 posted 09/12/06 2:09pm

shockadelicaa

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whatsgoingon said:

Even Michael Jackson(future son in law) lol in a sly way said he stole black music and he had actually met him.


Haha, when was this?
"You could say I'm a terminal case/You could burn up my clothes/Smash up my ride...well, maybe not the ride"
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Reply #55 posted 09/12/06 2:15pm

squiddyren

I am a white girl who not only doesn't believe Elvis is the true King Of Rock 'N' Roll, but doesn't listen to his music.

Yet I'm not understanding all the intense dislike up in here. shrug I am much more a fan of Little Richard than I ever could be of Elvis, but it's as if some people can't even recognize him as a great talent and ENORMOUS influence in his own right due to his "stealing".

Just because some idiots (crit-types, the general public, or otherwise) think he invented rock 'n' roll doesn't mean we should listen to them. Us folks with a bit of real musical knowledge know the truth.
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Reply #56 posted 09/12/06 2:27pm

NDRU

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lofimofo said:

i agree with harlepolis. elvis ripped off black musicians and opened the way
for more fakes like the rolling stones or led zepplin. white people need white
entertainers, i dont know why... eminem is supposed to be the greatest rapper...
ha! mad


I think society ripped off black musicians, but Elvis & Eminem (& even Justin) just do the music they love. What should they have done? Sing classical music?
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Reply #57 posted 09/12/06 2:35pm

lofimofo

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NDRU said:

lofimofo said:

i agree with harlepolis. elvis ripped off black musicians and opened the way
for more fakes like the rolling stones or led zepplin. white people need white
entertainers, i dont know why... eminem is supposed to be the greatest rapper...
ha! mad


I think society ripped off black musicians, but Elvis & Eminem (& even Justin) just do the music they love. What should they have done? Sing classical music?


it is just a shame that the music business needs white people to market black music.
(excuse the simplification) same thing with techno... here many people think belgians
or germans invented techno or house or whatever... another problem is the original
material is sooooo much better. i dont like elvis because he represents this kind of fraud...
i'm labeled as a bad character
no matter what i do
i'm labeled as a bad character
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Reply #58 posted 09/12/06 2:43pm

uPtoWnNY

squiddyren said:

Just because some idiots (crit-types, the general public, or otherwise) think he invented rock 'n' roll doesn't mean we should listen to them. Us folks with a bit of real musical knowledge know the truth.


That's where my dislike of Elvis comes from - so many people making him out to be bigger than he was.
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Reply #59 posted 09/12/06 2:51pm

Graycap23

lofimofo said:

NDRU said:



I think society ripped off black musicians, but Elvis & Eminem (& even Justin) just do the music they love. What should they have done? Sing classical music?


it is just a shame that the music business needs white people to market black music.
(excuse the simplification) same thing with techno... here many people think belgians
or germans invented techno or house or whatever... another problem is the original
material is sooooo much better. i dont like elvis because he represents this kind of fraud...



Never thought of it that way but I dig where u r coming from.
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