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Reply #60 posted 09/13/06 11:53pm

SoulAlive

NDRU said:

AlexdeParis said:


He clearly was IMO. The Grammy awards have never been more relevant than when they gave him 3 Album of the Year awards. It probably would've been 4, but Talking Book didn't win because it was eligible the same year as Innervisions. When Paul Simon won, he thanked Stevie for not releasing an album that year. lol


It's hard to match what he did artistically & commercially. George Clinton was great from the beginning to the end of the 70's, but obviously not as popular. Elton John was really popular & wrote good songs, but was not quite the artist Stevie was. Ditto Paul McCartney. Bowie huge artistically, but not commercially. Frank Zappa, also.

Zeppelin was pretty huge.



Funny you should mention Elton John.Around the same time that Stevie released 'SITKOL',Elton released a 2-LP set of his own,'Blue Moves',but it wasn't nearly as creative and inspired as 'SITKOL'.
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Reply #61 posted 09/14/06 3:53am

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uPtoWnNY said:

Stevie:
Music of My Mind
Talking Book
Innervisions
Fulfillingness First Finale
Songs in the Key of Life


Prince:
Prince
Dirty Mind
1999
Purple Rain
Sign O' the Times


Doesn't get much better than that.



nod Prince in the 80s was alot like Stevie in the 70s.Both of these guys were at the top of their game,creating one classic album after another.
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Reply #62 posted 09/14/06 3:55am

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SoulAlive said:

NDRU said:



It's hard to match what he did artistically & commercially. George Clinton was great from the beginning to the end of the 70's, but obviously not as popular. Elton John was really popular & wrote good songs, but was not quite the artist Stevie was. Ditto Paul McCartney. Bowie huge artistically, but not commercially. Frank Zappa, also.

Zeppelin was pretty huge.



Funny you should mention Elton John.Around the same time that Stevie released 'SITKOL',Elton released a 2-LP set of his own,'Blue Moves',but it wasn't nearly as creative and inspired as 'SITKOL'.



It could not have been....one was talking about, not only the blackman's experiences in America, but other minorities as well. The other was just an album of songs with no particular theme. SITKOL, was and still is a history lesson of sorts from many different perspectives. Just as a side note, Stevie's song, "I just called to say, I love you", was written for SITKOL, but he decided to leave it off cause it would not have fit. Years later, he was going to give it to, Julio Englasis, but their sched's did not connect. He ended up doing it more than 20 years after it was intended....go figure.
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Reply #63 posted 09/14/06 4:01am

SoulAlive

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SoulAlive said:




Funny you should mention Elton John.Around the same time that Stevie released 'SITKOL',Elton released a 2-LP set of his own,'Blue Moves',but it wasn't nearly as creative and inspired as 'SITKOL'.



It could not have been....one was talking about, not only the blackman's experiences in America, but other minorities as well. The other was just an album of songs with no particular theme. SITKOL, was and still is a history lesson of sorts from many different perspectives. Just as a side note, Stevie's song, "I just called to say, I love you", was written for SITKOL, but he decided to leave it off cause it would not have fit. Years later, he was going to give it to, Julio Englasis, but their sched's did not connect. He ended up doing it more than 20 years after it was intended....go figure.



yeah,I had heard that "I Just Called To Say I Love You" was originally recorded in 1976.If he had released it on 'SITKOL',it would have sounded drastically different than the 1984 version....more organic,like "Knocks Me Off My Feet".
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Reply #64 posted 09/14/06 9:57am

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NDRU said:



It's hard to match what he did artistically & commercially. George Clinton was great from the beginning to the end of the 70's, but obviously not as popular. Elton John was really popular & wrote good songs, but was not quite the artist Stevie was. Ditto Paul McCartney. Bowie huge artistically, but not commercially. Frank Zappa, also.

Zeppelin was pretty huge.



Funny you should mention Elton John.Around the same time that Stevie released 'SITKOL',Elton released a 2-LP set of his own,'Blue Moves',but it wasn't nearly as creative and inspired as 'SITKOL'.


But a few years earlier he released a 2 lp album called Goodbye Yellow Brick Road, which (while not touching as deep an emotional place as Stevie) is great from beginning to end.
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Reply #65 posted 09/14/06 9:59am

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I have not listened in a while and don't know if it aged well.....but this was the ALBUM 2 have when it was released. Really good lyrics and music. Stevie was in TOP form on this one.
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Reply #66 posted 09/14/06 4:17pm

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Graycap23 said:

I have not listened in a while and don't know if it aged well.....but this was the ALBUM 2 have when it was released. Really good lyrics and music. Stevie was in TOP form on this one.

It hasn't really aged at all.

lofimofo said:

now my favourite stevie album and one of my all time fave is the super-trippy

'secret life of plants'

It doesn't touch the big 5 of the '70s albums IMO, but I love Journey Through the Secret Life of Plants! It's a shame the album is out of print now. sad
[Edited 9/14/06 16:18pm]
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Reply #67 posted 09/14/06 4:31pm

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NDRU said:


It's hard to match what he did artistically & commercially. George Clinton was great from the beginning to the end of the 70's, but obviously not as popular. Elton John was really popular & wrote good songs, but was not quite the artist Stevie was. Ditto Paul McCartney. Bowie huge artistically, but not commercially. Frank Zappa, also.

Zeppelin was pretty huge.


Someone might have the answer to this...Stevie thanks a whole lot of people on SITKOL, and as a Zappa fan I've always wondered why he was mentioned... any idea?

bc
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Reply #68 posted 09/14/06 4:35pm

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PeteZarustica said:

NDRU said:


It's hard to match what he did artistically & commercially. George Clinton was great from the beginning to the end of the 70's, but obviously not as popular. Elton John was really popular & wrote good songs, but was not quite the artist Stevie was. Ditto Paul McCartney. Bowie huge artistically, but not commercially. Frank Zappa, also.

Zeppelin was pretty huge.


Someone might have the answer to this...Stevie thanks a whole lot of people on SITKOL, and as a Zappa fan I've always wondered why he was mentioned... any idea?

bc


Maybe Stevie just liked his music. Contusion is kinda Zappish. He seemed to thank people he admired as much as people he knew (just a guess) but maybe he knew Zappa?
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Reply #69 posted 09/14/06 4:58pm

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NDRU said:


Maybe Stevie just liked his music. Contusion is kinda Zappish. He seemed to thank people he admired as much as people he knew (just a guess) but maybe he knew Zappa?


That's probably it. It's an impressive list of thank you's, and that one just sort of stuck out...

Thanks!
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Reply #70 posted 09/14/06 5:04pm

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PeteZarustica said:

NDRU said:


Maybe Stevie just liked his music. Contusion is kinda Zappish. He seemed to thank people he admired as much as people he knew (just a guess) but maybe he knew Zappa?


That's probably it. It's an impressive list of thank you's, and that one just sort of stuck out...

Thanks!


You're right, though, I've never seen so many names on a thank you--Sublime's audio thanks on 40 oz to Freedom (which also thanks Zappa) may compete, though.
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Reply #71 posted 09/15/06 5:35am

SoulAlive

Graycap23 said:

I have not listened in a while and don't know if it aged well.....but this was the ALBUM 2 have when it was released. Really good lyrics and music. Stevie was in TOP form on this one.



For me,the album hasn't aged one bit.Great music is timeless.Also,the lyrics throughout the album are just as relevent today as they were in 1976!
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Reply #72 posted 09/15/06 5:36am

SoulAlive

NDRU said:

PeteZarustica said:



That's probably it. It's an impressive list of thank you's, and that one just sort of stuck out...

Thanks!


You're right, though, I've never seen so many names on a thank you--Sublime's audio thanks on 40 oz to Freedom (which also thanks Zappa) may compete, though.



lol yeah,Stevie pretty much thanks everyone and their brother.
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Reply #73 posted 09/15/06 5:38am

SoulAlive

NDRU said:

SoulAlive said:




Funny you should mention Elton John.Around the same time that Stevie released 'SITKOL',Elton released a 2-LP set of his own,'Blue Moves',but it wasn't nearly as creative and inspired as 'SITKOL'.


But a few years earlier he released a 2 lp album called Goodbye Yellow Brick Road, which (while not touching as deep an emotional place as Stevie) is great from beginning to end.



Agreed.That's actually my favorite Elton John album,followed closely by 'Captain Fantastic...'.Eventually,we'll have to do a thread on his 70s albums lol
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Reply #74 posted 09/15/06 5:42am

SoulAlive

AlexdeParis said:

Graycap23 said:

I have not listened in a while and don't know if it aged well.....but this was the ALBUM 2 have when it was released. Really good lyrics and music. Stevie was in TOP form on this one.

It hasn't really aged at all.

lofimofo said:

now my favourite stevie album and one of my all time fave is the super-trippy

'secret life of plants'

It doesn't touch the big 5 of the '70s albums IMO, but I love Journey Through the Secret Life of Plants! It's a shame the album is out of print now. sad



After all these years,I am still trying to understand that album boxed

'Secret Life Of Plants' is a hard album to digest.I honestly don't know what to think about it.
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Reply #75 posted 09/15/06 5:43am

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NDRU said:

Contusion is kinda Zappish.


Very much so. nod
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Reply #76 posted 09/15/06 5:48am

SoulAlive

Cloudbuster said:

NDRU said:

Contusion is kinda Zappish.


Very much so. nod



to me,that song sounds alot like Santana's mid-70s work music

speaking of Santana,he loved this album so much that he dedicated his own next album,'Festival',to Stevie Wonder.Also,in the 90s,he frequently performed the song "Another Star" at his concerts and even talked about recording a cover version.
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Reply #77 posted 09/15/06 5:50am

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SoulAlive said:

AlexdeParis said:


It doesn't touch the big 5 of the '70s albums IMO, but I love Journey Through the Secret Life of Plants! It's a shame the album is out of print now. sad



After all these years,I am still trying to understand that album boxed

'Secret Life Of Plants' is a hard album to digest.I honestly don't know what to think about it.


Me neither. It's all very nice but it just doesn't really work for me.
It's kinda like The Rainbow Children in that the artist gets so lost in the concept that they forget to write some truly memorable songs.
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Reply #78 posted 09/15/06 5:57am

SoulAlive

Cloudbuster said:

SoulAlive said:




After all these years,I am still trying to understand that album boxed

'Secret Life Of Plants' is a hard album to digest.I honestly don't know what to think about it.


Me neither. It's all very nice but it just doesn't really work for me.
It's kinda like The Rainbow Children in that the artist gets so lost in the concept that they forget to write some truly memorable songs.



That's exactly it.The album is very artistic,experimental and creative,but it just doesn't hold together as an album.I know that many fans consider it a classic though.I do love the songs "Send One Your Love" and "Outside My Window",two tracks that are as good as anything on SITKOL.
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Reply #79 posted 09/15/06 6:04am

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SoulAlive said:

That's exactly it.The album is very artistic,experimental and creative,but it just doesn't hold together as an album.I know that many fans consider it a classic though.I do love the songs "Send One Your Love" and "Outside My Window",two tracks that are as good as anything on SITKOL.


They're my two faves on the album, too. smile
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Reply #80 posted 09/15/06 6:10am

SoulAlive

Cloudbuster said:

SoulAlive said:

That's exactly it.The album is very artistic,experimental and creative,but it just doesn't hold together as an album.I know that many fans consider it a classic though.I do love the songs "Send One Your Love" and "Outside My Window",two tracks that are as good as anything on SITKOL.


They're my two faves on the album, too. smile



lol,those are the only two "commercial" songs on the album,and also the only singles released from that project lol
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Reply #81 posted 09/15/06 8:23am

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SoulAlive said:

Cloudbuster said:



They're my two faves on the album, too. smile



lol,those are the only two "commercial" songs on the album,and also the only singles released from that project lol


My all time favorite song from that CD is, "Flower Power". It is a beautiful song with a great melody...I found it and placed it on my Ipod. You guys should check it out.
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Reply #82 posted 09/15/06 8:55am

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SoulAlive said:

Cloudbuster said:



Very much so. nod



to me,that song sounds alot like Santana's mid-70s work music

speaking of Santana,he loved this album so much that he dedicated his own next album,'Festival',to Stevie Wonder.Also,in the 90s,he frequently performed the song "Another Star" at his concerts and even talked about recording a cover version.


Another Star is very Santana
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Reply #83 posted 09/15/06 9:55am

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Justin1972UK said:

It's a really good album but Innervisions is better.

I actually think it's a little over-rated. boxed


Co-sign.

Don't get me wrong, it's an awesome album but extremely overrated.

Not his best collection of creative work, IMO.
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Reply #84 posted 09/15/06 10:29am

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Justin1972UK said:

It's a really good album but Innervisions is better.

I actually think it's a little over-rated. boxed

Also, the cover has always reminded me of a colonoscopy.





That is soooo sick man especially since i am due to have one of
those things later this year.
I do agree that songs in the key was among his best if not the best.
I also like hotter than july and skeletons. Songs in the key is just
timeless. Look at all the tracks off the cd that other artists have
covered like as,sir duke,and she knocks me off my feet. That in itself
speaks volumes. I remember being in the 5th grade and my mom bought the
album. Hell i played it more than her. I also remember it having a bonus
45 with the double album with saturn and all day sucker. This album is
just timeless. Period.
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This funk is a serious joint
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Reply #85 posted 09/15/06 4:40pm

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confused great record except the engineers on many of the tracks made them very muddy sounding.
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Reply #86 posted 09/15/06 5:21pm

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shorttrini said:

SoulAlive said:




lol,those are the only two "commercial" songs on the album,and also the only singles released from that project lol


My all time favorite song from that CD is, "Flower Power". It is a beautiful song with a great melody...I found it and placed it on my Ipod. You guys should check it out.

I love all three of those. I also find "Ecclesiastes" and "Come Back As a Flower" beautiful as well. "Earth's Creation" and "Finale" are excellent bookends IMO. I really love this album. Part of me will always find it a shame that Stevie doesn't sing more (since his voice was perfect at the time), but it's so interesting/weird/trippy that I don't mind much.
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Reply #87 posted 09/15/06 5:26pm

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AlexdeParis said:

shorttrini said:



My all time favorite song from that CD is, "Flower Power". It is a beautiful song with a great melody...I found it and placed it on my Ipod. You guys should check it out.

I love all three of those. I also find "Ecclesiastes" and "Come Back As a Flower" beautiful as well. "Earth's Creation" and "Finale" are excellent bookends IMO. I really love this album. Part of me will always find it a shame that Stevie doesn't sing more (since his voice was perfect at the time), but it's so interesting/weird/trippy that I don't mind much.


One of the reasons that he did not sing on the CD, was due to it being the score for a film of the same name. I don't remember if it was ever released, though.
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Reply #88 posted 09/15/06 5:32pm

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shorttrini said:

AlexdeParis said:


I love all three of those. I also find "Ecclesiastes" and "Come Back As a Flower" beautiful as well. "Earth's Creation" and "Finale" are excellent bookends IMO. I really love this album. Part of me will always find it a shame that Stevie doesn't sing more (since his voice was perfect at the time), but it's so interesting/weird/trippy that I don't mind much.


One of the reasons that he did not sing on the CD, was due to it being the score for a film of the same name. I don't remember if it was ever released, though.

It wasn't. That's a shame, because I'd love to see it. You just know it's weird. biggrin
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Reply #89 posted 09/16/06 8:46am

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I got innervisions today, sounds really really good.
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