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Thread started 09/07/06 9:30pm

thebanishedone

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a list of guitar players who never improved

eric clapton-whole of his life he played only one scale pentatonic,nothing else

joe perry from aerosmith-patetic

late george harrison-mediocrite guitar player in a great band

yngwie malmsteen-milion notes per second all of his life

bob dylan-bruce springsteen-these 2 play very rudamentary guitar solos all they life...
i mean look at jeff beck,he started as blues rock player simular to clapton but improved to a amazing player,what other players you can put in a lazy to envolve list???
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Reply #1 posted 09/08/06 1:21am

ThreadBare

Gosh, they're rich and famous -- despite their allegedly subpar skills. And, their Web critics are unknowns...

How do you explain that?


(here's where I admit to liking the guitarists you're slamming... especially Clapton)



I mean, c'mon... The man's practically beatific right there.
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Reply #2 posted 09/08/06 1:37am

GangstaFam

How is Joe Perry pathetic?
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Reply #3 posted 09/08/06 1:41am

ThreadBare

Oh, wait... I believe my buddy theAudience would insert this sort of picture, right about now...


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Reply #4 posted 09/08/06 1:47am

prettymansson

Lenny kravitz
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Reply #5 posted 09/08/06 3:45am

PFunkjazz

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thebanishedone said:

eric clapton-whole of his life he played only one scale pentatonic,nothing else

joe perry from aerosmith-patetic

late george harrison-mediocrite guitar player in a great band

yngwie malmsteen-milion notes per second all of his life

bob dylan-bruce springsteen-these 2 play very rudamentary guitar solos all they life...
i mean look at jeff beck,he started as blues rock player simular to clapton but improved to a amazing player,what other players you can put in a lazy to envolve list???



Let's just retitle this "Ignorance, bad grammar and lousy spelling on the org".
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Reply #6 posted 09/08/06 4:41am

AsylumUtopia

PFunkjazz said:

thebanishedone said:

eric clapton-whole of his life he played only one scale pentatonic,nothing else

joe perry from aerosmith-patetic

late george harrison-mediocrite guitar player in a great band

yngwie malmsteen-milion notes per second all of his life

bob dylan-bruce springsteen-these 2 play very rudamentary guitar solos all they life...
i mean look at jeff beck,he started as blues rock player simular to clapton but improved to a amazing player,what other players you can put in a lazy to envolve list???



Let's just retitle this "Ignorance, bad grammar and lousy spelling on the org".

Let's not. thebanishedone is pretty much on point there. There seems to be a general assumption, particularly with regard to Clapton, that because he is technically proficient that he's a guitar genius. Which he clearly is not. There's been no progression in his playing at all. 35 years ago he was playing simple solo's in C and he still plays the exact same way. No progression at all.
Lemmy, Bowie, Prince, Leonard. RIP.
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Reply #7 posted 09/08/06 5:16am

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PFunkjazz said:

thebanishedone said:

eric clapton-whole of his life he played only one scale pentatonic,nothing else

joe perry from aerosmith-patetic

late george harrison-mediocrite guitar player in a great band

yngwie malmsteen-milion notes per second all of his life

bob dylan-bruce springsteen-these 2 play very rudamentary guitar solos all they life...
i mean look at jeff beck,he started as blues rock player simular to clapton but improved to a amazing player,what other players you can put in a lazy to envolve list???



Let's just retitle this "Ignorance, bad grammar and lousy spelling on the org".

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Reply #8 posted 09/08/06 6:19am

Rudy

He's a songwriting genius in one of my favorite bands, but Rick Nielsen of Cheap Trick is probably the weakest "guitar god" in history. Even Mick Mars puts him to major shame.

But Rick wrote 'I Want You To Want Me' so it doesn't matter.
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Reply #9 posted 09/08/06 8:55am

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ThreadBare said:

Oh, wait... I believe my buddy theAudience would insert this sort of picture, right about now...



I think this is the one you were going for...



...lol

Actually he may have a point (beyond the one on the hook).
I think the presentation may be a bit crude.


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Reply #10 posted 09/08/06 9:07pm

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i like some of claptons work with cream.but i hate the fact he didn't envolve as a guitarist.jeff beck is his contrempoary,look at his transformation.

clapton was impresive on cream concerts and derek and the dominos live.nothing after that. big stagnation.

whole of his life he only plated pentatonic scale.
its ok many guitar players use pentatonic,but still they add difrent flavours,modes.
reptile song is the only time he realy streched and showed some improvment.
joe perry's solos are the same as it was in 1978,1986.
oh on the clapton subject.check out hyde park dvd,its the most medciotrite playing ever by him.
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Reply #11 posted 09/08/06 9:13pm

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Chad Taylor

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+Live+


Probably the world's laziest guitarist. What over-produced pop-rock material he plays these days was probably spoon fed to him by frontman Ed Kowalczyk, and mixed beneath Ed's own filler guitar.

Barely present on Live's latest record, "Songs from Black Mountain".


How the mighty have fallen.
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Reply #12 posted 09/09/06 2:30am

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thebanishedone said:

i like some of claptons work with cream.but i hate the fact he didn't envolve as a guitarist.jeff beck is his contrempoary,look at his transformation.

clapton was impresive on cream concerts and derek and the dominos live.nothing after that. big stagnation.

whole of his life he only plated pentatonic scale.
its ok many guitar players use pentatonic,but still they add difrent flavours,modes.
reptile song is the only time he realy streched and showed some improvment.
joe perry's solos are the same as it was in 1978,1986.
oh on the clapton subject.check out hyde park dvd,its the most medciotrite playing ever by him.



You're entitled to feel that way. I prefer Clapton's stylistic consistency to what I see as Prince's devolution as a guitar soloist (gone are the exotic scales and pretty tone of the 1980s and early 1990s, replaced by that maligned pentatonic and horrible tone).

I think Clapton represents as slick a packaging of the blues you'll find in pop music today. Acoustic ballads? He does it. "Unplugged" rearrangements? Check. Hip-hop-influenced production? "Pilgrim." His riffs might be set in stone, but he has updated the context of those riffs as the times have changed (there I see a similarity with Jeff Beck).

And, for what it's worth, he's still a wonderful player.
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Reply #13 posted 09/09/06 8:05am

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prince played more pentatonic before. is rainbow children pentatonic?i dont think so
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Reply #14 posted 09/09/06 8:31am

SPYZFAN1

Although I love him....Ace Frehley.
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Reply #15 posted 09/09/06 8:39am

ThreadBare

Hanging on the canvas of life

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His brother, Ed Palette: "No, you're wrong, this is the best red ever!"
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Reply #16 posted 09/09/06 2:01pm

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threadbare you want to say prince didn't improve over years???
i think he drasticly improved from year 2000 until present .
he use more various scales now then he ever used.
listen to his playing on west,raibow children(the song) xpedition ,xenophobia,xogenus,rotterdame instrumental... its much better then he ever played before...
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Reply #17 posted 09/09/06 3:34pm

lovedad43

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Although I love him....Ace Frehley.

agreed. I remember Paul Stanley saying that Ace was a very good guitarist but he never inproved you mix that with drugs and alcohol you become very stangnet.
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Reply #18 posted 09/09/06 5:32pm

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how do you improve anyway? its so easy to get stuck playing the same stuff over and over
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Reply #19 posted 09/09/06 5:39pm

prettymansson

Meloh9 said:

how do you improve anyway? its so easy to get stuck playing the same stuff over and over

You improve by checking out styles that others do better than you and studying that style to take what you naturally have been doing in the past to the next place... wink
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Reply #20 posted 09/09/06 6:20pm

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thebanishedone said:

threadbare you want to say prince didn't improve over years???
i think he drasticly improved from year 2000 until present .
he use more various scales now then he ever used.
listen to his playing on west,raibow children(the song) xpedition ,xenophobia,xogenus,rotterdame instrumental... its much better then he ever played before...


And, I can point to his playing in the 80s (Live at Syracuse, SOTT, Small Club) and see examples of him having a more varied soloing style...


We just disagree. lol Which is allowed.
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Reply #21 posted 09/09/06 6:42pm

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prettymansson said:

Meloh9 said:

how do you improve anyway? its so easy to get stuck playing the same stuff over and over

You improve by checking out styles that others do better than you and studying that style to take what you naturally have been doing in the past to the next place... wink



thanks, I have that same peddle in your avatar. I love the Vox
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Reply #22 posted 09/09/06 7:03pm

heartbeatocean

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Let's hear it for the pentatonic scale! woot! party
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Reply #23 posted 09/09/06 7:15pm

JesseDezz

I think we need spell check on this site lol
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Reply #24 posted 09/09/06 8:16pm

thebanishedone

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i told you milion times,english is not my native language.i bet i speak better english then you speak serbian.
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Reply #25 posted 09/09/06 9:19pm

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AsylumUtopia said:

PFunkjazz said:




Let's just retitle this "Ignorance, bad grammar and lousy spelling on the org".

Let's not. thebanishedone is pretty much on point there. There seems to be a general assumption, particularly with regard to Clapton, that because he is technically proficient that he's a guitar genius. Which he clearly is not. There's been no progression in his playing at all. 35 years ago he was playing simple solo's in C and he still plays the exact same way. No progression at all.


You are right. But I think part of what makes him so popular is that fact that he really HASN'T changed all that much over the years. He's a great player, no doubt, but like said, his style hasn't really changed much at all.
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Reply #26 posted 09/09/06 10:31pm

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thebanishedone said:

i told you milion times,english is not my native language.i bet i speak better english then you speak serbian.


Vrlo ste ljubazni lol
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Reply #27 posted 09/10/06 8:32am

thebanishedone

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jessedez haha "vrlo ste ljubazni".
you caught me off guard,great.
you won all my simpathies.
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Reply #28 posted 09/10/06 5:15pm

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heartbeatocean said:

Let's hear it for the pentatonic scale! woot! party


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Reply #29 posted 09/10/06 6:02pm

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I had this conversation with a friend the other day while we were discussing the upcoming Jeff Beck concert.

Of The Yardbirds' Big 3 (Beck, Clapton & Page), Jeff Beck has shown the most progress as a guitarist hands down.
In Clapton's defense, he has always been an evangelist for the Blues.
To his credit, he's *generally been willing to give credit where credit is due regarding his influences.

*I still have a question about the tune Strange Brew which sounds very similar to an Albert King tune I can't name at the moment.

This is in direct opposition to another of his Yardbirds compadres who will remain nameless.
Let's just say we'll turn the PAGE on that issue.


"There's Jimmy Page, the greatest thief of American black music who ever walked the earth."

~Homer Simpson


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