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Reply #30 posted 08/13/02 8:40pm

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Totally boring 2 me. Maybe generations ago he was a hit, but eye think his Elvis this and Elvis that is dead. Let him R.I.P. pleeezzz!!
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Reply #31 posted 08/13/02 8:51pm

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there's no denying that elvis pales in comparison to the early black rock & r&b artists (no pun intended)... but shit, elvis wasn't really any better than his contemporaries at sun records...

he couldn't write songs like johnny cash, charlie rich or carl perkins

he couldn't play guitar as good as perkins or piano as good charlie rich or jerry lee lewis (then again, who could play like jerry lee)

he didn't have the velvet voice of charlie rich or the vocal range and dynamics of jerry lee...

with the exception of jerry lee lewis, the only thing he had that a lot of his contemporaries didn't have was sex appeal... and jerry lee also ooozed sex appeal...

it's my opinion that if he hadn't married his 13 year old cousin and all the controversy that came along with that, jerry lee lewis would have dethroned elvis as the white king of rock & roll... easily...
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Reply #32 posted 08/13/02 10:41pm

Spats

Elvis married Priscilla when she was 21. Do some research. If Elvis ripped off Blacks then so did the stones, the beatles, led zeppelin and on and on and on. The only people that seem to dislike Elvis are pimply faced teenagers and black people.

Elvis was a great singer. He could sing any kind of song you asked him to sing. Those black artists at that time could not compete with him at all. He was a better singer, better looking, more charisma, better performer. The list goes on.

Not writing songs means shit. Frank Sinatra didn't write songs, Sammy Davis Jr did not write songs. They stink too?

He did not rip off anything. He grew up with black music, and country music and put them together to make his music. Ray Charles has done country music. What does that make him? Jimi Hendrix played "white Music" a lot of the time. What did that make him?

Why was Elvis stupid? Be cause he did drugs? Then Jimi Hendrix was a dumbass as well. Then Keith Richards is brain dead. Because he had an entourage? Then all rock stars are stupid.

And Elvis was racist? Show the proof. Some of his friends were James Brown, B.B King (who is fat like Elvis became), Jackie Wilson (He paid Jackie's medical bills), Sammy Davis Jr.He had "The Sweet Inspirations" as part of his backing band for 8 years. Ask them if he was racist. They would tell you what a damn fool you are. But the post already proved that.

The majority always rules and the majority of people like Elvis. The man has sold over 1 billion records worldwide. An overated artist or a rip off artist would not be able to accomplish that. They would have been found out long before that.

The facts speak for themselves.
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Reply #33 posted 08/13/02 10:58pm

Spats

By the way, Elvis is not called "The King Of Rock n Roll" because he was the first. He is called that because he was the most important. He changed the world. Anyone can be first. You can be first by accident.I was first in line at the movies the other night. Big deal. Being first means nothing if nobody gives a damn about you or nobody buys your records or sells out your shows and on and on and on.

Almost forgot. Elvis played Piano and Guitar. Watch the 68 special and listen to his live records. He was no Hendrix but who is.
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Reply #34 posted 08/13/02 11:15pm

Wolf

Spats said:

Elvis married Priscilla when she was 21. Do some research. If Elvis ripped off Blacks then so did the stones, the beatles, led zeppelin and on and on and on. The only people that seem to dislike Elvis are pimply faced teenagers and black people.


I work with some whites who don't understand the hype and think Elvis is as overrated as they come.

Elvis was a great singer. He could sing any kind of song you asked him to sing. Those black artists at that time could not compete with him at all. He was a better singer, better looking, more charisma, better performer. The list goes on.


Yes, 4 out of 5 rednecks agree.

Not writing songs means shit. Frank Sinatra didn't write songs, Sammy Davis Jr did not write songs. They stink too?


Yes.

He did not rip off anything. He grew up with black music, and country music and put them together to make his music. Ray Charles has done country music. What does that make him?


A black person who did country music.

Jimi Hendrix played "white Music" a lot of the time. What did that make him?


Bullshit. Rock is NOT 'white music' get your tail back in class and do some research. Instead of the propaganda shit they force feed your ass to make you think you're superior.

Why was Elvis stupid? Be cause he did drugs? Then Jimi Hendrix was a dumbass as well. Then Keith Richards is brain dead. Because he had an entourage? Then all rock stars are stupid.


You fit well.

And Elvis was racist? Show the proof. Some of his friends were James Brown, B.B King (who is fat like Elvis became),


Not anymore.

Jackie Wilson (He paid Jackie's medical bills), Sammy Davis Jr.He had "The Sweet Inspirations" as part of his backing band for 8 years. Ask them if he was racist. They would tell you what a damn fool you are. But the post already proved that.


Big freakin deal, Marge Schott had black players on the baseball team she owned too.

The majority always rules and the majority of people like Elvis.


See you at the next KKK meeting. wave

The man has sold over 1 billion records worldwide.


You think people don't know better than that I guess.

An overated artist or a rip off artist would not be able to accomplish that.


Only when a racist status quo makes sure he can.

The facts speak for themselves.


Unfortunately you don't speak the facts.
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Reply #35 posted 08/14/02 12:12am

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Elvis is very overated... This is the same man who tried to get the Beatles Deported.. And thats not even why eye dont like him.. this man was an ICON.. thats why.. *N'sync is an icon.. this pop scene.. is an Icon.. in my eye's...
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Reply #36 posted 08/14/02 12:45am

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Wolf said:

Spats said:

Elvis married Priscilla when she was 21. Do some research. If Elvis ripped off Blacks then so did the stones, the beatles, led zeppelin and on and on and on. The only people that seem to dislike Elvis are pimply faced teenagers and black people.


I work with some whites who don't understand the hype and think Elvis is as overrated as they come.

Elvis was a great singer. He could sing any kind of song you asked him to sing. Those black artists at that time could not compete with him at all. He was a better singer, better looking, more charisma, better performer. The list goes on.


Yes, 4 out of 5 rednecks agree.

Not writing songs means shit. Frank Sinatra didn't write songs, Sammy Davis Jr did not write songs. They stink too?


Yes.

He did not rip off anything. He grew up with black music, and country music and put them together to make his music. Ray Charles has done country music. What does that make him?


A black person who did country music.

Jimi Hendrix played "white Music" a lot of the time. What did that make him?


Bullshit. Rock is NOT 'white music' get your tail back in class and do some research. Instead of the propaganda shit they force feed your ass to make you think you're superior.

Why was Elvis stupid? Be cause he did drugs? Then Jimi Hendrix was a dumbass as well. Then Keith Richards is brain dead. Because he had an entourage? Then all rock stars are stupid.


You fit well.

And Elvis was racist? Show the proof. Some of his friends were James Brown, B.B King (who is fat like Elvis became),


Not anymore.

Jackie Wilson (He paid Jackie's medical bills), Sammy Davis Jr.He had "The Sweet Inspirations" as part of his backing band for 8 years. Ask them if he was racist. They would tell you what a damn fool you are. But the post already proved that.


Big freakin deal, Marge Schott had black players on the baseball team she owned too.

The majority always rules and the majority of people like Elvis.


See you at the next KKK meeting. wave

The man has sold over 1 billion records worldwide.


You think people don't know better than that I guess.

An overated artist or a rip off artist would not be able to accomplish that.


Only when a racist status quo makes sure he can.

The facts speak for themselves.


Unfortunately you don't speak the facts.


I couldn't have done it better myself Wolf
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Reply #37 posted 08/14/02 12:53am

Spats

In your eyes? then you are crosseyed. You cannot call someone overrated when you have not listened to a lot of his music. It's ignorance.

Elvis did not try and have the beatles deported? Where did you get that info from? The beatles? Elvis went to see Nixon to get a Badge. he collected them. he knew Nixon hated the beatles so he badmouthed them to butter Nixon up. The meeting took place in december 1970. The beatles had already broken up. Do some research. Your dislike for him is based on ignorance.

And Wolf? What a piece of work you are. You have a redneck attitude. You are no better. Only rednecks like Elvis? Damn Fool. Stop "Fighting The Power" and let go of the hate.

I will say it again. Ask James Brown, Ali, B.B King, and on and on about Elvis. They wouldn't be pals with a racist.

Hendrix spoke about his music and said a lot of it was not "Black music". When I meant "White Music", I meant Music that is associated with white performers. Which is hard rock/Heavy Metal.
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Reply #38 posted 08/14/02 1:04am

Spats

If Elvis is a rip off artist than so are the Stones, the beatles, and on and on and on. That means if Ray Charles covers music that is not associated with a Black guy, then he is a rip off artist too. If those are rules you want to go by then that is your problem. Keep Fighting The Power, Wolf.
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Reply #39 posted 08/14/02 1:08am

Wolf

Spats said:

And Wolf? What a piece of work you are. You have a redneck attitude. You are no better. Only rednecks like Elvis? Damn Fool. Stop "Fighting The Power" and let go of the hate.


lol You have very little knowledge, so I wont continue to try...and I only hate stupid dips with a superior attitude. Not everybody.

I will say it again. Ask James Brown, Ali, B.B King, and on and on about Elvis. They wouldn't be pals with a racist.


Yeah.

Hendrix spoke about his music and said a lot of it was not "Black music". When I meant "White Music", I meant Music that is associated with white performers. Which is hard rock/Heavy Metal.


If Hendrix said that he was high.
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Reply #40 posted 08/14/02 1:56am

Essence

Spats said:

If Elvis is a rip off artist than so are the Stones, the beatles, and on and on and on. That means if Ray Charles covers music that is not associated with a Black guy, then he is a rip off artist too. If those are rules you want to go by then that is your problem. Keep Fighting The Power, Wolf.


Seriously though Wolf is running circles around you and showing your twisted post up something rotten. Seriously. neutral
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Reply #41 posted 08/15/02 4:44pm

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I loved Elvis as a child. I would spend most of my days dancing around to his music, and watching his movies any chance I could. I saw him in concert when I was 5, I guess that's why I took my own child to One Nite Alone. I remember how great it was, even though I was young. I'll never forget when he died.sad I definately needed some new music to listen to. Then, low and behold this fantastic PRINCE emerged! And I have loved him ever since. wink
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Reply #42 posted 08/16/02 3:58pm

Starmist7

Elvis was smokin!!!...

So WHO was that all behind him???
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Reply #43 posted 08/17/02 5:58am

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I've always been fascinated with Elvis.
Not that i'm a huge fan, i don't even
own any of this records, but the man
had plenty of charisma, and a GREAT voice.
IMO, he's the only guy who's been just as
cool as Prince.
Thanks for the laughs, arguments and overall enjoyment for the last umpteen years. It's time for me to retire from Prince.org and engage in the real world...lol. Above all, I appreciated the talent Prince. You were one of a kind.
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Reply #44 posted 08/17/02 7:29am

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First of all, i have not much of an opinion on Elvis, dig some of his songs, don't like others. Anyweez, the reason y Elvis should b called the King of Rock'nRoll is bcause rock music wouldn't have been the same without him. No matter his skills. And all of u who try 2 make a race issue out of this r ignorant fucks. The cat had somewhat of a talent and used it 2 the fullest. And as far as i no, he never promoted racism or made an issue out of race. Back in the 60ies and 70ies. Now listen at u'rselves. In 2002. I can't blieve someone pulled out the KKK argument bcause someone else has a different opinion on Elvis. How fucked up is that?
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Reply #45 posted 08/17/02 7:41am

Novabreaker

Elvis Schmelvis, I'll have the real king of rock'roll over him anyday... enter Little Richard. He was gay, he was flamboyant, he was totally crazy and he was (and get this) a black man. To me that's the epitome of the whole idiom.
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Reply #46 posted 08/17/02 8:22am

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I absolutely love Elvis. Call him what you will, but he had a wonderful voice. I don't care if he wrote his songs or not.

There's a big to do every year over his death date...There's ALWAYS extra Elvis on the radio, TV. AMC and TMC usually show Elvis movies all week, along with plenty of other channels. This year being the 25th anniversary, there's bound to be a little extra.

I'm sure the same thing will happen when Prince croaks.

Anyhow, as for this whole 16 year old thing...rolleyes

Priscilla Beaulieu and Elvis Presley

Married May 1, 1967

From the time she moved to Memphis at age seventeen to finish high school near Elvis Presley, Priscilla Beaulieu knew they would marry someday. 'The mystery was when,' she remembers. 'That was Elvis' way of keeping the romance alive.'


Priscilla was aware that other women before her had used pressure tactics to no avail, so marriage was a topic she rarely brought up. She didn't need to. There were signs here and there. 'He talked a lot about children, and we imagined what they would look like and what they would do,' says Priscilla. And there were his many gifts. 'This is nothing,' Elvis would say upon presenting her with a bauble. 'Just wait.'

At that time, Priscilla was in no rush to marry. She had her own room at Graceland and was happy with the relationship just as it was. 'It was going well. We were doing so much, traveling back and forth to California. Some friends of ours, especially in Hollywood, were breaking up and that scared both of us.'

Besides, the cameo beauty was only fourteen when they met during Elvis' famed tour of duty in Wiesbaden, West Germany, in 1959. There had been times at first when the ten years between them seemed insurmountable. At twenty-four, Elvis was already a legend, and he was naturally confused about his feelings for the ninth grade student living overseas with her mother and Air Force captain stepfather. 'We had a very romantic relationship,' says Priscilla, 'but Elvis was always conscious of the age difference. He didn't want `jail bait' to dampen his image, and he was protective of throwing me to the media. He also knew he would be leaving Germany and didn't want to hurt me.'

Before he returned to the United States, six months after their meeting, Elvis told Priscilla he loved her, but still he wasn't sure how to proceed. Even though he had a girlfriend in Memphis, he wrote and telephoned the love-struck Priscilla often. Their conversations, she remembers, frequently lasted for several hours.

During the following two years, Elvis invited Priscilla for occasional visits Christmases at Graceland, a trip to Las Vegas and another to Los Angeles. They were always chaperoned by Elvis' friends and family members. In 1962, Elvis came up with the novel idea for Priscilla to finish her high school education in Memphis, and phoned her stepfather, Captain Paul Beaulieu, for his permission. He assured the Beaulieus that Priscilla would live at his father Vernon's house, attend a good school and always be chaperoned, and implied that he would marry her when she came of age. He must have been a sweet talker. Reluctantly, her parents approved. Vernon enrolled Priscilla at Immaculate Conception, a girls' school in Memphis, while Elvis was in Los Angeles filming Fun in Acapulco.

Unbeknownst to her family, bit by bit she moved from Vernon's house into Elvis' mansion. The couple often stayed up all night with Elvis' entourage, and Priscilla would sleepwalk through her classes the following day. After graduating, she continued to live with Elvis at Graceland and at his house in Bel-Air for four more years, molding herself to Elvis' lifestyle, one that she loved but that was hardly typical for a teenager.


One day, for no apparent reason, Elvis presented her with a three-sapphire-and diamond ring, which he had worn himself for years. Priscilla knew it was symbolic. 'He loved it and wore it all the time. I knew it meant a lot to him. It solidified the relationship.'

Late one December evening in 1966, Elvis knocked on her bedroom door. 'I was in my dressing room getting ready to go to a movie,' she says, alluding to one of their nightly treks to the Memphian Theater, which Elvis rented after closing time.

Priscilla playfully asked for his password. 'Fire Eyes,' he responded, using her nickname for him.

When he entered, she wondered what he was holding behind his back. 'He had a jeweler come to the house earlier that evening, but I hadn't associated it with a proposal,' Priscilla recalls. 'It was Christmas, and he was buying gifts for his family. It was a common thing.'

'I have a surprise,' Elvis told her. He got down on his knees and handed her a box. Inside was an engagement ring - a three-and-a-half-carat diamond surrounded by a detachable row of smaller diamonds.

Elvis, very much in command most times, became shy and nervous. Although he was announcing his decision rather than asking her to marry him, he said it in their own private language, speaking partly in the third person.

'We're going to be married,' said Elvis. 'You're going to be his. I told you I'd know when the time was right. Well, the time's right.'

'I was awestruck at first because I had no idea,' says Priscilla. 'I had tears in my eyes, and he in his. I cried. I didn't expect it. I threw my arms around him, and we held each other.' Still in each other's embrace, they excitedly went downstairs to share the news and show the ring to his family. Then, just like any other night, everyone went off together to a midnight movie, where Elvis made the announcement to his friends.

'Colonel' Tom Parker, who managed Elvis' career, planned a private wedding at the Aladdin Hotel in Las Vegas. A justice of the Nevada Supreme Court married the couple at 9:4r a.m. on May 1, 1967. About a dozen family members and friends watched as Priscilla, TWENTY-ONE, wearing a long, empire-style white gown and tulle veil, and Elvis, thirty-two, wearing a tuxedo, exchanged vows. After the ceremony, the Presleys flew on Frank Sinatra's Learjet, the Christina, to their rented house in Palm Springs. Elvis sang 'The Hawaiian Wedding Song' as he carried Priscilla across the threshold. Four weeks later, they put on their wedding clothes again and hosted a wedding reception for sixty guests at Graceland.

On February t, 1968, their daughter, Lisa Marie, was born. The marriage ended in divorce six years later. Elvis died at Graceland on August 16, 1977.
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Reply #47 posted 08/17/02 8:26am

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HellOnHeels said:

once again, eye must come 2 the rescue... lol


Elvis met Pricilla when she was 14 and he fell in love with her instantly, Yes he did mess around with her at that age, but then when she was 16 she moved in with him supposedly so she could be close to him and go to good schools. BUT, Pricilla says that he wanted to wait till they got married to have sex, and so they did. She was 21 or around there, when they got married. He cheated on her like crazy and even raped her when he was high as kite while they were married


Indeed, you set them straight before I did. The movie Elvis And Me, or Priscilla's book talks about the waiting...
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Reply #48 posted 08/17/02 1:21pm

Miles

The 5 most important/ influential pop music figures of the last 50 years.

1. James Brown - for his music

2. Elvis - for his voice and his image

3. The Beatles - for their songwriting and the ideas/ production on their later albums

4. Bob Dylan - for his songwriting

5. Jimi Hendrix - for his guitar playing, and pioneering sound.


Elvis couldn't play guitar like Jimi, or write songs like Dylan and the Beatles, but in my view he was one of the most soulful singers of all time, and a unique voice and presence. He wasn't perfect, but he always acknowledged his debt to black musicians in interviews.You'll find the 'real' Elvis in his music, not his often contradictory life and statements.

Elvis probably is overexposed, like the Beatles too, while the importance of James Brown and other black performers like Chuck Berry and Little Richard on the last 50 years of pop music is underrated. I suppose partly because most white people still don't seem to dig black musicians as much as white ones. James, Chuck and Richard are also thankfully all still alive and working. Elvis is long gone.

Like him or not Elvis was in the right place at the right time to be the first performer to really begin to popularise the music of the deep south, black and white (with the exception of jazz, that had already gone 'over the top' years before), to a wide audience. And the fact that we're still talking about him today surely means that there's something about him ...
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Reply #49 posted 08/17/02 2:33pm

Wolf

Miles said:

He wasn't perfect, but he always acknowledged his debt to black musicians in interviews.


Wrong. It's the total opposite, he never publicly acknowledged the black songwriters, the black performers who originally recorded many of his songs, etc.

Elvis probably is overexposed, like the Beatles too, while the importance of James Brown and other black performers like Chuck Berry and Little Richard on the last 50 years of pop music is underrated. I suppose partly because most white people still don't seem to dig black musicians as much as white ones.


Candy coat it all you want. Many of us know exactly why the overrated, overblown, overhyped, soulless tub of lard came to be the God he is today.
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Reply #50 posted 08/18/02 9:53pm

Spats

Do some research Wolfie. He mentioned what influenced him in the 68 concert special. And in plenty of interviews in his early days he did as well. There is a concert recording where he intro's Fat Domino and talks how he influenced him. Blacks artists and black songwriters were not his primary inspiration anyway. When he was a kid he went to all night gospel sings which influenced him heavily but for the most part it was guys like Hank Williams, Bill Monroe and other country performers. He was also a big fan of dean Martin and Mario Lanza. He used to listen to the Louisiana Hayride and Grand Ole Opry all the time. If you did some resarch than you would know that most of his early stuff was country music. I hate to break it to you Wolfie but he did not record as much music by Black songwriters or black artists as is hyped. He covered more music by white songwriters and white artists than black. I know them all and will list them if I have to. Those songs were in the minority. I know every Elvis song there is (You do not) and the "Black songs" are in the minority. And no artist thanks every single artist whose music they cover or the songwriter.

I presume you missed Nightline's special on Elvis. They interviewed Chuck D, B,B King and one of the members of Living Colour. And they had nothing but good things to say about him. Mentioned their favorite songs ( Chuck D liked Suspicious Minds. B.B king liked Love Me Tender. The Living Colour guy likes "In the Ghetto") and said Elvis was not racist. Chuck D said Elvis is not his favorite perfomer ever but added that he did not rip off black music because. He just played music that he grew up listening to and music he was surrounded by. Like everybody does. Every artist alive has borrowed from what came before.

Nobody owns any type of music. The music is for everyone.

Jackie Wilson said that a lot of the black performers that he knew wanted to be like Elvis.

I would Rather have Elvis the tub of lard than B.B King the tub of lard and Fats Domino the tub of lard. Those are Two big fat Black guys.

Fight the Power, Fight the power that BE!!! Sing it Wolfie.
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Reply #51 posted 08/18/02 10:37pm

theC

Spats said:


I would Rather have Elvis the tub of lard than B.B King the tub of lard and Fats Domino the tub of lard. Those are Two big fat Black guys.

Fight the Power, Fight the power that BE!!! Sing it Wolfie.



theC
And spats probably summed it up the best as to why elvis was so sucessful.I couln't have laid it out any better.Good job Wolf on getting the TRUTH out of him.It had NOTHING to do with talent and everything to do with RACE.Elvis was the first White guy to do black music?In that time period no black artist was going to become too famous(and definitly not a public SEX SYMBOL).He would be limited where he could perform and what he could do onstage.And when it came to radio airplay you know elvis would get the nod whether the song was better or not.Supporting him was the "american" thing to do.It's funny but i bet the Osmands probably wonder what would have happened if they had went against the Jacksons 20 years earlier.MJ wouldn't have had a chance.
Oh yeah to answer the ORIGINAL QUESTION.Hell yeah it's commercial.They would be fools to stop it.You know how much money that rakes in every year for people who can't sing or play an instrument.The group that hung with Elvis still needs a steady income.Great marketing i PRAISE them for that.They can still sell a dead man and make MILLIONS with no new material.
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Reply #52 posted 08/18/02 10:56pm

Wolf

Spats said:

Do some research Wolfie. He mentioned what influenced him in the 68 concert special. And in plenty of interviews in his early days he did as well. There is a concert recording where he intro's Fat Domino and talks how he influenced him. Blacks artists and black songwriters were not his primary inspiration anyway. When he was a kid he went to all night gospel sings which influenced him heavily but for the most part it was guys like Hank Williams, Bill Monroe and other country performers. He was also a big fan of dean Martin and Mario Lanza. He used to listen to the Louisiana Hayride and Grand Ole Opry all the time. If you did some resarch than you would know that most of his early stuff was country music. I hate to break it to you Wolfie but he did not record as much music by Black songwriters or black artists as is hyped. He covered more music by white songwriters and white artists than black. I know them all and will list them if I have to. Those songs were in the minority. I know every Elvis song there is (You do not) and the "Black songs" are in the minority. And no artist thanks every single artist whose music they cover or the songwriter.

I presume you missed Nightline's special on Elvis. They interviewed Chuck D, B,B King and one of the members of Living Colour. And they had nothing but good things to say about him. Mentioned their favorite songs ( Chuck D liked Suspicious Minds. B.B king liked Love Me Tender. The Living Colour guy likes "In the Ghetto") and said Elvis was not racist. Chuck D said Elvis is not his favorite perfomer ever but added that he did not rip off black music because. He just played music that he grew up listening to and music he was surrounded by. Like everybody does. Every artist alive has borrowed from what came before.

Nobody owns any type of music. The music is for everyone.

Jackie Wilson said that a lot of the black performers that he knew wanted to be like Elvis.

I would Rather have Elvis the tub of lard than B.B King the tub of lard and Fats Domino the tub of lard. Those are Two big fat Black guys.

Fight the Power, Fight the power that BE!!! Sing it Wolfie.


Just like a Grand Dragon, you think nobody but you knows anything about anything. There is nothing YOU can teach me about music. Only more about your superior attitude that you constantly display EVERYtime the subject of Elvis comes up YOU always come to the defense of all the white performers of that era. NEVER have you ever said one good thing about the black performers unless they defend Elvis. That tells me all I need to know about you. See you at the next Klan meeting! wave

Anyone who wants a more accurate picture of what I was talking about in a previous post:

Elvis: the once and future king
By GEORGE VARGA, Copley News Service

Elvis Presley continues to transcend time, place and the rock 'n' roll
revolution he helped ignite in the 1950s.

"Of anybody who's ever played rock music, Elvis was by far the greatest
talent," said Billy Corgan, the former Smashing Pumpkins leader.

"Elvis is my man," Paul McCartney said. "He was a big influence on The Beatles,
and he just was great."

But not everyone holds Presley in high regard, as Pulitzer Prize-winning jazz
trumpeter and composer Wynton Marsalis is quick to note.

"To me, Elvis represented somebody who -- because our country was not ready
then to embrace the black artist and make them No. 1 -- became No. 1 because of
his rendition of what some black people sounded like," Marsalis said. "What
made it distasteful is that we had people who could do it better than him, but
who couldn't be accepted at that time because of the color of their skin."

25th ANNIVERSARY

Now, 25 years after Presley's death -- on Aug. 16, -- from years of bad living,
the Southern-bred singer who scandalized the nation with his hip-swiveling
stage moves, lip-curling sneer and smoldering sexuality, remains a household
name. Simultaneously heroic and tragic (he was just 42 when his heart gave
out), an innovator and a cultural thief, his controversial mythology looms
larger than ever.

So large, in fact, that VH1's recent concert special Divas Las Vegas (named
after the 1964 Presley film Viva Las Vegas) featured vintage Elvis hits
performed by Mary J. Blige, Shakira, Cher and other vocalists.

So large that such superstars as U2's Bono and Bruce Springsteen regularly pay
homage to Presley in their performances (though both clearly favor the first
two years of his career, not his subsequent descent from roots-rocking fireball
to middle-of-the-road Vegas crooner).

And so large that Eminem jeeringly compares himself to Presley on his new
single, "Without Me," which finds the top-selling shock-rapper declaring: I'm
not the first king of controversy / I am the worst thing since Elvis Presley /
To do black music so selfishly / And use it to get myself wealthy.

Of course, Presley at his most threatening is a model of restraint and good
taste compared to Eminem's dial-an-outrage shtick. But the Michigan rapper and
the Mississippi rock icon share several traits.

Both grew up poor and worked dead-end jobs before finding their secular
salvation in music. Both embraced and appropriated African-American culture.
And both swiftly became targets of intense parental disapproval.

By doing so, Presley and Eminem became heroes to millions of young white
listeners. Their fans eagerly latched on to a musical rebellion that seemed to
threaten public morality and promised, however fleetingly, a way out of
stifling middle-class conformity.

But Presley was an inadvertent revolutionary -- an accidental pop-culture
catalyst who made the raw blues and steamy R&B music of pioneering
African-American artists safe for a mass white audience.

Similarly, where Eminem followed the commercial breakthroughs of such white
rappers as the Beastie Boys and Vanilla Ice, Presley had no precursors. He was
the first white rock star in the racially polarized era of segregation.

CHANGED WHITE MUSIC

"Before Elvis," said Quincy Jones, the multiple Grammy-winning
producer-performer, "white pop music was 'The Ballad of Davy Crockett' and 'How
Much Is That Doggy in the Window?' Then Elvis came on (the Tommy-and Jimmy
Dorsey-hosted CBS-TV show) Stage Time in 1956, and they wouldn't shoot him
below the waist because they still couldn't handle anybody shaking their (rear)
-- black or white. And the show got 8,000 letters about his performance.

"I could see it then," Jones continued. "I thought: 'Things are going to change
because they've discovered how to emotionally feel music.' This had been
happening with black music forever, but this was the first time young white
kids did. It was amazing to watch."

Presley forever changed the face of the nation, and with it international pop
culture. RCA Records/BMG Heritage is scheduled to release Elvis: Today,
Tomorrow & Forever, a four-CD, 100-song anthology featuring numerous alternate
takes and concert recordings. Later in 2002 comes RCA/BMG's single CD release
of 30 of Presley's No. 1 hits.

"I think you'll see the same thing that happened with the Beatles' 1 album, in
that it will attract people who rarely or never bought an Elvis record before,"
said Ernst Mikael Jorgenson, who has been the producer of all Presley reissue
albums since 1992 and co-wrote the book Elvis: Day by Day with Peter Guralnick.


"And people my age or older -- I'm 51 -- will go out and buy it, because they
(like to) buy memories," Jorgenson continued. "Also, there's an element of
success that creates more success. And I think Elvis has reached a level where
he still attracts a lot of young people because he's Elvis. Like most great
stories, it's a drama, maybe a tragedy, but a fascinating rags-to-riches story
of real-life, and of losing it all."

TROUBLING LEGACY

Presley's legacy, like his American-Dream-gone-to-hell life, is as troubling as
it is inspiring.

A galvanizing force for millions, he was an immensely gifted singer and
stylistic synthesist who deftly fused blues, country, R&B, gospel and pop. He
also had what Sun Records' honcho Sam Phillips (who signed the 19-year-old
Presley to his first contract in 1954) had long been seeking: "a white man with
the Negro sound and the Negro feel."

Presley would never again match the searing impact of his records and concerts
between March 1956 (when "Heartbreak Hotel" became his first national
chart-topper) and March 1958 (when he entered the Army).

Moreover, he owed a profound debt to the many African-American bluesmen, R&B
shouters and songwriters who penned or first recorded many of Presley's
earliest and greatest works.

His first Sun release, "That's Alright Mama," was written and first recorded by
Arthur "Big Boy" Crudup, who also wrote such Presley songs as "So Glad You're
Mine" and "My Baby Left Me." Then there was Little Junior Parker's "Mystery
Train"; Kokomo Arnold's "Milk Cow Boogie Blues"; Roy Brown's "Good Rockin'
Tonight"; Arthur Gunter's "Baby Let's Play House"; and Smiley Lewis' sizzling
"One Night (of Sin)," which Presley and his producers toned down as "One Night
With You."

Otis Blackwell, who died recently, composed some of Presley's most transcendent
works, including "All Shook Up," "Return to Sender" and "Don't Be Cruel."
Presley's recordings were almost identical to how Blackwell sang them on the
demonstration recordings. And in agreeing to let Presley record his songs,
Blackwell had to split the writer's credit with Presley, who didn't write any
of the songs he recorded, yet received a disproportionate share of their
profits.

But Presley never publicly credited Blackwell. Nor did he acknowledge the
enormous debt he owed to African-American music in general -- or to Matt
"Guitar" Murphy and Ike Turner, whom the teenaged Presley avidly watched at
various Memphis nightclubs -- and soon copied.

To hold Presley partially responsible for the nation's racial climate in the
1950s is no more fair than to blame his dictatorial manager, "Colonel" Tom
Parker, for the spate of wretched movies Presley starred in the next decade.

To appreciate his historic musical and social impact without acknowledging the
African-American artists who paved the way, however, perpetuates a sad legacy
that even an icon like Elvis Presley can't transcend.
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Reply #53 posted 08/18/02 11:14pm

Supernova

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Spats said:

I presume you missed Nightline's special on Elvis. They interviewed Chuck D, B,B King and one of the members of Living Colour. And they had nothing but good things to say about him. Mentioned their favorite songs ( Chuck D liked Suspicious Minds. B.B king liked Love Me Tender. The Living Colour guy likes "In the Ghetto") and said Elvis was not racist. Chuck D said Elvis is not his favorite perfomer ever but added that he did not rip off black music because. He just played music that he grew up listening to and music he was surrounded by. Like everybody does. Every artist alive has borrowed from what came before.

I presume that you took a bathroom break when Chuck D. said that Elvis didn't mean much to him, but that the 20th anniversary of Joe Tex's death on August 13th meant something to him.

I presume you missed the fact that Carlton Ridenhour aka Chuck D.'s rap in PE's "Fight The Power" was an attack on the American institution of Elvis at the exclusion of all other important Black performers that preceded him, not necessarily an attack on Elvis himself.

I presume that you totally missed the intention of Vernon Reid's Living Colour song "Elvis Is Dead" with Little Richard contributing vocals to it.

I presume that you always trot out what SOME other high profile Black performers think of Elvis as a way to sway others' opinions who don't worship at the feet of the fried banana, bacon and peanut butter sandwiches eatin' Kang of Rock and Roll, to the blind oblivion that it doesn't sway anyone.

Get over it. Everyone isn't going to be an out of breath, obsessed fan of Elvis. And their reasons can be as equally as valid as yours for being a fan of him. Nobody is oblivious to Elvis and his story, because it's shoved down everyone's throats all the time. The whole Elvis story is more complex than you want to believe, or that you let on, or that you may know. And you talking down to people who aren't fans won't help your cause in the least bit.
This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes.
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Reply #54 posted 08/19/02 4:43am

DavidEye

I generally like all the Old School artists,more or less,but I can't really call myself an Elvis Presley fan.Maybe one day,I'll make myself buy one of his Greatest Hits CD,just to see what all the commotion was about.
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Reply #55 posted 08/20/02 5:54am

MightBQueen

say what ya want about him, but he had charisma all over most artists out there today.
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Reply #56 posted 08/20/02 9:34am

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Miles said:

The 5 most important/ influential pop music figures of the last 50 years.

1. James Brown - for his music

2. Elvis - for his voice and his image

3. The Beatles - for their songwriting and the ideas/ production on their later albums

4. Bob Dylan - for his songwriting

5. Jimi Hendrix - for his guitar playing, and pioneering sound.


Elvis couldn't play guitar like Jimi, or write songs like Dylan and the Beatles, but in my view he was one of the most soulful singers of all time, and a unique voice and presence. He wasn't perfect, but he always acknowledged his debt to black musicians in interviews.You'll find the 'real' Elvis in his music, not his often contradictory life and statements.

Elvis probably is overexposed, like the Beatles too, while the importance of James Brown and other black performers like Chuck Berry and Little Richard on the last 50 years of pop music is underrated. I suppose partly because most white people still don't seem to dig black musicians as much as white ones. James, Chuck and Richard are also thankfully all still alive and working. Elvis is long gone.

Like him or not Elvis was in the right place at the right time to be the first performer to really begin to popularise the music of the deep south, black and white (with the exception of jazz, that had already gone 'over the top' years before), to a wide audience. And the fact that we're still talking about him today surely means that there's something about him ...


Yeah, you're right
Blue music
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Reply #57 posted 08/20/02 7:39pm

Spats

First of all, you cannot blame Elvis when it came to business. Blame his management. If anyone bothered to do research on Elvis than they would know that Elvis did not give a damn about the business side. He let management handle ALL of that. All he cared about was the music and performing side. If he had cared about the business side then he wouldn't have have been ripped off by The Colonel. For those who don't know, when he died, Elvis had approximately 5,000 dollars in the bank. Very low for someone of his stature. Some of that had to do with his huge spending habits but also because of his disinterest in the business side of music.

Second, as I said, he gave credit to people who influenced him. More than once. Did he name every single one? No. But nobody does that.

I will continue to talk down if people continue to say things about him that are false which most people here are doing. Elvis's story is not being shoved down people's throat or else people here would be getting it right. In the last week someone has said he tried to have the Beatles deported and that he nailed Priscilla when she was 14 years old. Both false. Then you add the racist B.S, the so called ripping off of "Black Music" and you have misinformed people, who say they don't like him for some of those reasons. Which means their dislike for him is based on B.S. A couple people have got it right the rest have got it wrong. You cannot call someone overated if you have barely heard any of his music. That's just common sense. I am an expert on Elvis Presley. I know everything there is to know. I have things to learn on other subjects and so on but not on this one.

People can "Fight The Power" all they want. But when it comes to debating Elvis with me, they are going to lose. That sounds arrogant but it's true.

If someone is just plain not interested in him, that's fine. There are plenty of things that I am not interested in. But when it's.."I don't like him because..." and the reason's are B.S then that is another story.
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Reply #58 posted 08/20/02 8:23pm

Supernova

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Spats said:

yada, yada, blah, yada, blahhh...



yawn


yawn



yawn



yawn



rolleyes
This post not for the wimp contingent. All whiny wusses avert your eyes.
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Reply #59 posted 08/20/02 9:04pm

Wolf

Make all the excuses you want, nobody gives a rats ass about your quest to inform the entire Prince org community about your precious Elvis. You're an expert you say? Grrreeeaat. We are all richer for that. Now go put your posters of his drug induced toilet ending death in chronoligical order. barf

Spats said:

First of all, you cannot blame Elvis when it came to business. Blame his management. If anyone bothered to do research on Elvis than they would know that Elvis did not give a damn about the business side. He let management handle ALL of that. All he cared about was the music and performing side. If he had cared about the business side then he wouldn't have have been ripped off by The Colonel. For those who don't know, when he died, Elvis had approximately 5,000 dollars in the bank. Very low for someone of his stature. Some of that had to do with his huge spending habits but also because of his disinterest in the business side of music.

Second, as I said, he gave credit to people who influenced him. More than once. Did he name every single one? No. But nobody does that.

I will continue to talk down if people continue to say things about him that are false which most people here are doing. Elvis's story is not being shoved down people's throat or else people here would be getting it right. In the last week someone has said he tried to have the Beatles deported and that he nailed Priscilla when she was 14 years old. Both false. Then you add the racist B.S, the so called ripping off of "Black Music" and you have misinformed people, who say they don't like him for some of those reasons. Which means their dislike for him is based on B.S. A couple people have got it right the rest have got it wrong. You cannot call someone overated if you have barely heard any of his music. That's just common sense. I am an expert on Elvis Presley. I know everything there is to know. I have things to learn on other subjects and so on but not on this one.

People can "Fight The Power" all they want. But when it comes to debating Elvis with me, they are going to lose. That sounds arrogant but it's true.

If someone is just plain not interested in him, that's fine. There are plenty of things that I am not interested in. But when it's.."I don't like him because..." and the reason's are B.S then that is another story.
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