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pfunkpilot said: 'Pac was great, influential even. Greatest rapper hands down. His lyrics were just incredible. If you only know his so-called THUG stuff, you are missing out on alot. He was a young man when he wrote that stuff. As he matured, so did his lyrics. That's what got homie in trouble. America was able to deal with a rapper who spouted ghettocentric lyrics. When he turned to a more political mindset, D.C. got shook. Still, not the greatest MC. That would go to:
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Neither Pac nor Biggie even make my top 5.
Here's why: Subject matter. Pac had a little variation in subject matter but his songs were either guns, gangsta, bitches and hoes or praising women after calling them bitches and hoes in the eight previous tracks before hand. He did tell a couple of good stories, though most of his songs dealt with the "hood" and we know Pac used to dance for Digital Underground and wasn't always about "thug life". His tech was nice but not the greatest. Biggie had the most clever ways of saying NOTHING of any rapper I can think of. His flow was off the hook but his subjects had no versatility AT ALL. Either he was in gun mode or money mode with a few chick tales thrown in. Slick Rick and Scarface told better stories than Pac and Biggie put together and although Scarface had very little versatility in his subject matter, as a storyteller, he dumped all over both these guys. I have a problem with the term "greatest" because it means different things to almost everyone but as far as a combination of tech, lyrics and delivery, I put Chuck D. in the forefront with Rakim, KRS-One, Cube and Talieb Qweli in the mix. Honorable mentions have to go to Nas, Kast, and Pharoah Monche. There are a lot of great lyricists out there like Obie Trice, Royce the 5' 9", Rhymefest and so on but its funny how Jay-Z got mentioned more than Nas when Jay-Z is like a running product endorsement and Nas's "One Mic" is deeper than anything Jay has ever written. So many NY cats were copying Nas's tech it ain't even funny. As for me, greatest never means greatest in sales. Sales have nothing to do with art. | |
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BlaqueKnight said: Biggie had the most clever ways of saying NOTHING of any rapper I can think of. His flow was off the hook but his subjects had no versatility AT ALL.
Nah, I would give that trophy to Missy. But I get what you're saying. I'm sick and tired of the Prince fans being sick and tired of the Prince fans that are sick and tired! | |
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BlaqueKnight said: Neither Pac nor Biggie even make my top 5.
Here's why: Subject matter. Pac had a little variation in subject matter but his songs were either guns, gangsta, bitches and hoes or praising women after calling them bitches and hoes in the eight previous tracks before hand. He did tell a couple of good stories, though most of his songs dealt with the "hood" and we know Pac used to dance for Digital Underground and wasn't always about "thug life". His tech was nice but not the greatest. Biggie had the most clever ways of saying NOTHING of any rapper I can think of. His flow was off the hook but his subjects had no versatility AT ALL. Either he was in gun mode or money mode with a few chick tales thrown in. Slick Rick and Scarface told better stories than Pac and Biggie put together and although Scarface had very little versatility in his subject matter, as a storyteller, he dumped all over both these guys. I have a problem with the term "greatest" because it means different things to almost everyone but as far as a combination of tech, lyrics and delivery, I put Chuck D. in the forefront with Rakim, KRS-One, Cube and Talieb Qweli in the mix. Honorable mentions have to go to Nas, Kast, and Pharoah Monche. There are a lot of great lyricists out there like Obie Trice, Royce the 5' 9", Rhymefest and so on but its funny how Jay-Z got mentioned more than Nas when Jay-Z is like a running product endorsement and Nas's "One Mic" is deeper than anything Jay has ever written. So many NY cats were copying Nas's tech it ain't even funny. As for me, greatest never means greatest in sales. Sales have nothing to do with art. Mr. Scarface is on my top 10 list of greatest MCs. Hell, he is THE Dirty South, IMO!  | |
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BlaqueKnight said: Neither Pac nor Biggie even make my top 5.
Here's why: Subject matter. Pac had a little variation in subject matter but his songs were either guns, gangsta, bitches and hoes or praising women after calling them bitches and hoes in the eight previous tracks before hand. He did tell a couple of good stories, though most of his songs dealt with the "hood" and we know Pac used to dance for Digital Underground and wasn't always about "thug life". His tech was nice but not the greatest. Biggie had the most clever ways of saying NOTHING of any rapper I can think of. His flow was off the hook but his subjects had no versatility AT ALL. Either he was in gun mode or money mode with a few chick tales thrown in. Slick Rick and Scarface told better stories than Pac and Biggie put together and although Scarface had very little versatility in his subject matter, as a storyteller, he dumped all over both these guys. I have a problem with the term "greatest" because it means different things to almost everyone but as far as a combination of tech, lyrics and delivery, I put Chuck D. in the forefront with Rakim, KRS-One, Cube and Talieb Qweli in the mix. Honorable mentions have to go to Nas, Kast, and Pharoah Monche. There are a lot of great lyricists out there like Obie Trice, Royce the 5' 9", Rhymefest and so on but its funny how Jay-Z got mentioned more than Nas when Jay-Z is like a running product endorsement and Nas's "One Mic" is deeper than anything Jay has ever written. So many NY cats were copying Nas's tech it ain't even funny. As for me, greatest never means greatest in sales. Sales have nothing to do with art. Nas also defeated Jay-Z with Ether. And he use a 2pac vocal sample at that!  | |
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BlaqueKnight said: Neither Pac nor Biggie even make my top 5.
Here's why: Subject matter. Pac had a little variation in subject matter but his songs were either guns, gangsta, bitches and hoes or praising women after calling them bitches and hoes in the eight previous tracks before hand. He did tell a couple of good stories, though most of his songs dealt with the "hood" and we know Pac used to dance for Digital Underground and wasn't always about "thug life". His tech was nice but not the greatest. Biggie had the most clever ways of saying NOTHING of any rapper I can think of. His flow was off the hook but his subjects had no versatility AT ALL. Either he was in gun mode or money mode with a few chick tales thrown in. Slick Rick and Scarface told better stories than Pac and Biggie put together and although Scarface had very little versatility in his subject matter, as a storyteller, he dumped all over both these guys. I have a problem with the term "greatest" because it means different things to almost everyone but as far as a combination of tech, lyrics and delivery, I put Chuck D. in the forefront with Rakim, KRS-One, Cube and Talieb Qweli in the mix. Honorable mentions have to go to Nas, Kast, and Pharoah Monche. There are a lot of great lyricists out there like Obie Trice, Royce the 5' 9", Rhymefest and so on but its funny how Jay-Z got mentioned more than Nas when Jay-Z is like a running product endorsement and Nas's "One Mic" is deeper than anything Jay has ever written. So many NY cats were copying Nas's tech it ain't even funny. As for me, greatest never means greatest in sales. Sales have nothing to do with art. 
but can't ppl just like whome they like though... | |
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Alltough i am not a 'rap-specialist' at all, even i can hear that 2pac sure isnt the best rapper. I think his story / the myths have overshowed the fact that 2pac isnt such a great rapper, and that the albums he released werent all that special.
Just for better rapping-skills and better music i would go for: - Krs-One - Chuck D (Public Enemy) - Q-tip (A tribe called quest) | |
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When it comes to straight emotion and realism, no one's fucking with 'Pac. Just listen to "Staring Thru My Rearview" or "Ballad of a Dead Souljah" |
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moderatorMilitant said: When it comes to straight emotion and realism, no one's fucking with 'Pac. Just listen to "Staring Thru My Rearview" or "Ballad of a Dead Souljah"
 
You were saying? Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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2pac is so emo. | |
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namepeace said: Militant said: When it comes to straight emotion and realism, no one's fucking with 'Pac. Just listen to "Staring Thru My Rearview" or "Ballad of a Dead Souljah"
You were saying?  "Whitney was purely and simply one of a kind." ~ Clive Davis | |
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Militant said: When it comes to straight emotion and realism, no one's fucking with 'Pac. Just listen to "Staring Thru My Rearview" or "Ballad of a Dead Souljah"
I agree. 2pac had the ability to touch your soul with his music. Brenda's got a baby Changes I wonder if heaven got a ghetto Who do you believe in Dear Mama Keep your head up | |
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He cant touch Just-Ice | |
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No he just doubled up everything and then they would clip it right where he took breathes, but then started the second take where the breath was.
sure he is great & amazing. but no not GOAT. Rakim is [Edited 9/9/06 7:55am] | |
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namepeace said: Militant said: When it comes to straight emotion and realism, no one's fucking with 'Pac. Just listen to "Staring Thru My Rearview" or "Ballad of a Dead Souljah"
You were saying? Emotion. P.E? Don't make me laugh. Socially conscious, hard-hitting reality and truth, yes. Emotion? Hell naw. There ain't never been a Public Enemy song that made me cry before. Whereas, Pac's "Life Goes On", and "Unconditional Love" get me EVERY time. |
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namepeace said: Militant said: 'Pac is easily the greatest of all time. I just got done in LA making a documentary about him. Check www.myspace.com/ultimate2pacfan for all the info about what we did, videos of me with Johnny J, Gobi, etc.
There is absolutely no way Tupac Shakur is "EASILY" the greatest of all time. He's EASILY your favorite. He's EASILY a hip-hop legend. But there are several MCs that were simply better than he.
Agreeing with Namepeace. You broke that post down well "..My work is personal, I'm a working person, I put in work, I work with purpose.." | |
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Militant said: Emotion. P.E? Don't make me laugh. Socially conscious, hard-hitting reality and truth, yes. Emotion? Hell naw. There ain't never been a Public Enemy song that made me cry before. Whereas, Pac's "Life Goes On", and "Unconditional Love" get me EVERY time. You're the president of the 2Pac Fan Club so I'd expect you to cry at his songs. I'd be more apt to cry over the tragic loss of his life than any of his songs. But your preferences do not set the bar for us all. You're so wildly on 'Pac's jock that you can't hear that PE is trying to reach a different emotion in you with: Rebel Without A Pause Welcome To The Terrordome Fear of a Black Planet Fight The Power Black Steel In the Hour of Chaos Prophets of Rage They ain't tryin' to make you cry, son. They're trying to wake you up. [Edited 9/10/06 7:08am] Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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Graycap23 said: Yall sleeping on Paris, Immortal technic, and Krs-one?
[Edited 9/7/06 7:43am] I AM SORRY!! RAKIM WILL SMASH BOTH OF THEM TOGETHER. THERE IS NO WAY KRS WILL DEFEAT RAK. I WONT EVEN MENTION PARIS BECAUSE HE IS NOT IN THE CONTENTION. TAPMUG!
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namepeace said: Militant said: Emotion. P.E? Don't make me laugh. Socially conscious, hard-hitting reality and truth, yes. Emotion? Hell naw. There ain't never been a Public Enemy song that made me cry before. Whereas, Pac's "Life Goes On", and "Unconditional Love" get me EVERY time. You're the president of the 2Pac Fan Club so I'd expect you to cry at his songs. I'd be more apt to cry over the tragic loss of his life than any of his songs. But your preferences do not set the bar for us all. You're so wildly on 'Pac's jock that you can't hear that PE is trying to reach a different emotion in you with: Rebel Without A Pause Welcome To The Terrordome Fear of a Black Planet Fight The Power Black Steel In the Hour of Chaos Prophets of Rage They ain't tryin' to make you cry, son. They're trying to wake you up. [Edited 9/10/06 7:08am] LMAO at your random conclusions about me. "Only God Can Judge Me", right? You just reiterated what I already said - yes, P.E have truth and hard hitting realism, intended to wake you up, and I never said it didn't. So they had a good message - does that make their music better? Does that make Chuck a better MC? Not in my book. Listing those songs as if I'm not aware of them - what point are you trying to convey? Your childish jabs just make you sound like you're not confident in the point you are trying to put across. President of his fan club? On his jock? What kind of juvenile insults are those, are you perhaps 12 years old? [Edited 9/13/06 6:50am] |
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Militant said: LMAO at your random conclusions about me. "Only God Can Judge Me", right? My conclusions aren't random. They're based on your asinine assertions that Tupac Shakur is easily the greatest MC of all time. Not one of the greatest, which I do not dispute. But EASILY the greatest. Of course, you can't back that up because it is based on your own emotional, subjective, biased opinion. Rakim isn't my favorite MC of all time. But he's the greatest. Favorite and greatest aren't one in the same, son. You just reiterated what I already said - yes, P.E have truth and hard hitting realism, intended to wake you up, and I never said it didn't. So they had a good message - does that make their music better?
If you actually read what you just said, you answered your own question. If PE stimulated you or inspired you to think or act, then guess what? That's emotion, son. And yes, a good message trumps a negative one. Does that make Chuck a better MC? Not in my book.
YOUR BOOK. That's the point. I only challenged your repeated, absurd declarations of Tupac as EASILY the GOAT based on your own opinion. Listing those songs as if I'm not aware of them - what point are you trying to convey? Your childish jabs just make you sound like you're not confident in the point you are trying to put across. President of his fan club? On his jock? W
Apparently, you haven't listened to them. Speaking of childish statements, you said "no one's f---in' with 'Pac when it comes to "straight emotion and realism." NO ONE? You're aware of those songs, and you still believe that? You can't even be taken seriously as a hip-hop head if you make those types of statements. If you had said "Tupac is one of the greatest of all time" you MIGHT have had a chance. If you had said "the realism and emotion in Tupac's work ranks with the best hip-hop MC's," you might have had a chance. But off you went -- again -- on your Tupac is the GOAT rant. No one can f--- with 'Pac. And you got checked. By many. As usual. That kind of juvenile insults are those, are you perhaps 12 years old?
[Edited 9/13/06 6:50am] I talk to children in ways they understand. Especially when they don't realize they've been whipped. But here's what I actually said about Tupac Shakur. Despite 2PACALYPSE Now and Strictly for My N.I.G.G.A.Z., notwithstanding the many classics he made thereafter, such as "Dear Mama" and "I Wonder If Heaven's Got A Ghetto," despite his praised Makiaveli, he's NOT the GOAT. He is one of the best to ever put pen to pad, but there are several MCs out there that are greater than he.
[Edited 9/13/06 8:50am] [Edited 9/13/06 14:56pm] Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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namepeace said: ladygirl99 said: Hey this is the org now a place where hip-hop gets least love and respect regardless which era. I am not so suprised about Pac results.
[Edited 9/5/06 21:49pm] I can't believe you fixed your fingers to type that. Hip-hop gets the "least love and respect" on the Org? I hope you're kidding. In any event, most hip-hop heads would say exactly what CinCee said. Despite 2PACALYPSE Now and Strictly for My N.I.G.G.A.Z., notwithstanding the many classics he made thereafter, such as "Dear Mama" and "I Wonder If Heaven's Got A Ghetto," despite his praised Makiaveli, he's NOT the GOAT. He is one of the best to ever put pen to pad, but there are several MCs out there that are greater than he. [Edited 9/6/06 15:39pm] i was just being sarcastic with my remark. but if you want to get serious here almost everywhere i read on here hip hop doesn't get the same props like other genres except from the same few hip-hop lovin orgers but that is cool because this is one of the few forums on the net where i don't talk about hip-hop anyway. i tell it like i see it. [Edited 9/13/06 17:25pm] | |
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ladygirl99 said: i was just being sarcastic with my remark. but if you want to get serious here almost everywhere i read on here hip hop doesn't get the same props like other genres except from the same few hip-hop lovin orgers but that is cool because this is one of the few forums on the net where i don't talk about hip-hop anyway. i tell it like i see it.
[Edited 9/13/06 17:25pm] I understand where you're coming from, but there are a few more heads on here than you'd think. Some of them are just so fed up with the state of hit-pop that they put it on blast. Good night, sweet Prince | 7 June 1958 - 21 April 2016
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