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TonyVanDam said: "If Blondie took the same songs (that crossover to black/urban radio markets) and perform them on Solid Gold (with a racial mix audience, including blacks), does that count as national, IYO?"
Except that Blondie's songs didn't cross over to a national soul audience. You're not talking about an instance like Hall & Oates' "I Can't Go for That" -- Blondie never came close to landing a top 30 soul song, based on radio play or sales. You're erroneously thinking that if your radio station played it then every popular black radio station played it -- and that's assuming you're talking about a decided soul radio station. What makes your assertion interesting is that rock/pop and soul stations in general were decidedly segregated in the late 1970s to early 1980s. Songs like "Heart of Glass" and "Rapture" were decidedly pop and rock, respectively. [Edited 9/4/06 17:46pm] THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! |
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Najee said: TonyVanDam said: "If Blondie took the same songs (that crossover to black/urban radio markets) and perform them on Solid Gold (with a racial mix audience, including blacks), does that count as national, IYO?"
Except that Blondie's songs didn't cross over to a national soul audience. You're not talking about an instance like Hall & Oates' "I Can't Go for That" -- Blondie never came close to landing a top 30 soul song, based on radio play or sales. You're erroneously thinking that if your radio station played it then every popular black radio station played it -- and that's assuming you're talking about a decided soul radio station. What makes your assertion interesting is that rock/pop and soul stations in general were decidedly segregated in the late 1970s to early 1980s. Songs like "Heart of Glass" and "Rapture" were decidedly pop and rock, respectively. [Edited 9/4/06 17:46pm] ...except Heart Of Glass was disco!  Rock fans & DJs were piss at Blondie for going disco. | |
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Najee said: You may be talking about Secret Weapon's "Must Be the Music," a 1982 club song with the male lead singer doing a party rap in the latter part of the song.
That's not quite what GOAT is asking. He is asking about a hit song where an established and/or recognized rapper appeared with an established and/or recognized soul artist. [Edited 9/4/06 14:06pm] Oh well that case it is Chaka Kahn and Melle Mel. They both are recognizable. And off the subject the party rap part does sound a bit like Jimmy Spicer but you might be right it was the lead singer. | |
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100MPH said:  
Fatback & King Tim III - 1979 "King Tim III" , appearing on the B-side of the single below ... 
... and on the 1979 album . 
 
Whodini & Tashan - Yours For A Night - 1983 ( From Whodini's debut-album -see above- ) 
Jam & Lewis working with Captain Rapp and featuring a female vocalist . 
In the route of Teena Marie's "Square Biz" , GC's nutty rap from 1983 
[Edited 9/4/06 13:43pm] Najee said: 100MPH, GOAT was looking for, to quote his terms, "the first successful or commercialy viable rap/r&b collaboration." None of those songs (minor songs or unreleased tracks) you named meet that criteria.
FYI , all those tracks i've mentioned were officially released btw . | |
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have to throw this one in... The Crown with Stevie Wonder and Gary Byrd from 1983... it's not a guest rapper on an R&B track, but vice versa an R&B singer doing a singing break on a Rap track.... and not just singing of course, also providing the whole music 
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Dancelot said: have to throw this one in... The Crown with Stevie Wonder and Gary Byrd from 1983... it's not a guest rapper on an R&B track, but vice versa an R&B singer doing a singing break on a Rap track.... and not just singing of course, also providing the whole music
 Jackpot!
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another one that might not fully fall in the category (cause the guest rapper was not an established artist on his own), but The Dude was surely one of the very first R&B songs that featured a full blown Rap break
Hey Everybody In The Neighborhood The Beauty's On Dury, Better Hear Me Good Sister E-Flat Tomato, Brother B-Flat Ballon, Somethin' Funky's Goin' Down, Better Listen To My Tune I Graduated From The Collage Of The Street I Got a P.H.D. In How To Make Ends Meet Inflation In The Nation Don't Bother Me, ‚Cause I'm A Scholar With Dollar You Can Plainly See Vanglorious... this is protected by the red, the black, and the green. With a key... sissy! | |
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100MPH said: Jackpot!
How ya doin' bro? Haven't seen U around here in awhile . hey there I'm just taking a bit of a break and peep in only occasionally these days... otherwise all is fine thanx for asking, hope teh same for youVanglorious... this is protected by the red, the black, and the green. With a key... sissy! | |
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100MPH said: 100MPH said:
Fatback & King Tim III - 1979 "King Tim III" , appearing on the B-side of the single below ...
... and on the 1979 album .
Whodini & Tashan - Yours For A Night - 1983 ( From Whodini's debut-album -see above- )
Jam & Lewis working with Captain Rapp and featuring a female vocalist .
In the route of Teena Marie's "Square Biz" , GC's nutty rap from 1983
[Edited 9/4/06 13:43pm] Najee said: 100MPH, GOAT was looking for, to quote his terms, "the first successful or commercialy viable rap/r&b collaboration." None of those songs (minor songs or unreleased tracks) you named meet that criteria.
FYI , all those tracks i've mentioned were officially released btw . wow, this is awesome, I had no idea....I guess I only recogized the major hits, but this gets really interesting now. It looks like the title of the thread has thrown some people off or rubbed them the wrong way? I don't care if the song was R&B and not pop, a collabo is a collabo. It looks like the King Tim and Fatback were the first..  who knew?...and no, Blondie does not fit the criteria, LOL. | |
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goat2004 said: "wow, this is awesome, I had no idea....I guess I only recogized the major hits, but this gets really interesting now. It looks like the title of the thread has thrown some people off or rubbed them the wrong way? I don't care if the song was R&B and not pop, a collabo is a collabo. It looks like the King Tim and Fatback were the first."
I was under the impression that you actually wanted a HIT single. "King Tim III" came out as a single shortly before The Sugarhill Gang's "Rapper's Delight," but to call it a memorable single is stretching it. [Edited 9/5/06 5:14am] THE TRAFFIC JAMMERS, The Org's house band: VAINANDY -- lead singer; NAJEE -- bass; THE AUDIENCE -- guitar; PHUNKDADDY -- rhythm guitar; ALEX de PARIS -- keyboards; Da PRETTYMAN -- keyboards; FUNKENSTEIN -- drums. HOLD ON TO YOUR DRAWERS! |
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Rapture- Blondie June 19's Pop Culture Commentary - Beyonce'
- "Besides as much as I love her...she's still a 2 piece, biscuit, hot pepper and strawberry soda away from blowin up... So yes...she's a plain jane like the rest of us..." | |
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