HoneymoonXpress said:

What does that even mean?

kidelrich said:

It means she started out sucking at the VMAs and it got worse the longer her mouth was open.

BlaqueKnight said:

It might have been good to include why/where/how she was bombing in the first post.

kidelrich said:

True.

Rogue588 said:

T'is true. Like him or not, Dane Cook created his own success. He's like the "Howard Dean" of stand up. He created an audience out of thin air. He took advantage of the internet and parlayed it into mucho dinero. You gotta respect that! His comedy is no worse than any of the other comics out there. But his marketing skills are superb!

Sarah Silverman is cool. But she's an acquired taste. She uses blue material in a highbrow sorta way. Dane Cook is 3 Stooges territory!. Any idiot can get him. Does that make him a better comedian? Of course not, but it does make him more commercial.

brothaluv said:

Well, my sister and I watched his Comedy Central special a few years ago, as he was getting ramped up, and it was really funny. His bits about Mass and "the finger" were the better ones.

You're right, brothaluv. And I'd ask, like him or not, what the hell else do people want him to do? Starve? He hustled and it paid off.

He also was good, at least at the outset, for keeping in touch with his audience. He was good about returning my sister's emails.

*"a" for "er" edit*
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DaVanity said:

Man, this is classic!!

PFunkjazz said:

Too classic, not to be intentional! I'm sure DaVanity was pulling our leg not unlike Silverman. Dane Cook is cool with me. What other comedians do you guys like or dislike?

namepeace said:

Personally, I don't hate the guy. I think he's just a hack comic with good delivery. Jay Leno has made a fortune with that formula. There are people who enjoy what he does, cool for them. Not for me.

Moreover the whole thing with him allegedly stealing jokes from Louis CK (less popular comic who has written for/worked with EVERYBODY) left a real bad taste in my mouth. From the samples I heard he stole the hell out of some jokes, but that's just my opinion.

Patrice Oneal probably cracks me up the most right now. But at his best he is so blue that you hardly ever see him at his best on network tv.

ElCapitan said:

Moreover the whole thing with him allegedly stealing jokes from Louis CK (less popular comic who has written for/worked with EVERYBODY) left a real bad taste in my mouth. From the samples I heard he stole the hell out of some jokes, but that's just my opinion.

Patrice Oneal probably cracks me up the most right now. But at his best he is so blue that you hardly ever see him at his best on network tv.[/quote]

I don't think he's a "hack," and I do think Louis CK is funny, but that terrible sitcom has to go. I don't notice the similarities, but I don't follow either that closely.

Patrice is pretty funny.

namepeace said:

Here's a link about the whole Dane Cook/Louis CK thing. Plays Dane Cooks and Louis CK's jokes back to back. CK's routine (from his DVD) was a couple of years earlier than Dane's.

Dane denies he stole anything, Louis has basically said "no comment". It's kind of an old story now. But you can make up your own mind. Of course he wouldn't be the first comic to steal material

http://www.redban.com/aud...steals.mp3

I'm familiar with the whole Dane Cook stole from Louis CK deal. Hell, I'm familiar with the Dennis Leary stole from Bill Hicks deal too. You can go back to Milton Berle. Comedians steal all the time. A lot of established comedians will lift a joke or two from open mikers. It happens. But nobody could establish a career on stolen material alone. He or she has to have talent, creativity and their own comic persona. Cook may've taken the joke. But he didn't lift an entire act. Just like Prince. Prince took Do Me Baby from Cymone. But he coudn't have had a career if all his work consisted of stolen material. The guy has to have talent and ability or he would be on skid row right now..

BTW, I like Patrice O'Neal and Dave Attell too!

brothaluv said:

Hey like I said I'm not trying to deny the guy his right to make a living. I thought Dane sucked before I ever heard about him stealing. Original, stolen, he's still a hack comic, imho. Such is life.

As far as stealing jokes, the history of comedy has plenty of examples. Still doesn't make it right. Hell at least Robin Williams would cut a check whenever he got busted.

Do you ever take drugs, so that you can have sex without cryyying? Yea yeah

big fan. her stand-up is brilliant, and not what i call "lowest common denominator" stand-up like that idiot dane cook (shame on whoever compared that hack to her).

and it's definately not for everyone. you have to have a really good awareness of irony and translation of it, which her stuff heavily relies on. people who like her would probably also like early sandra bernhard, who used to rock irony too.

cborgman said:

Yep, better comparison.