independent and unofficial
Prince fan community
Welcome! Sign up or enter username and password to remember me
Forum jump
Forums > Music: Non-Prince > Idlewild is better than UTCM
« Previous topic  Next topic »
Page 1 of 4 1234>
  New topic   Printable     (Log in to 'subscribe' to this topic)
Author

Tweet     Share

Message
Thread started 08/23/06 12:25am

BlaqueKnight

avatar

Idlewild is better than UTCM

Yep. I said it. This movie kills Prince's movies. It wore a lot of hats (drama, comedy, action, musical) only it was done many times better than Under The Cherry Moon. I'm only saying this now because I know it will be compared to UTCM by orgers even though they have very little in common other than being period pieces of sorts. Its a very different animal, coming closer to "Harlem Nights" than UTCM but it was well executed. Big Boi, in my opinion stood out in the acting department. Andre was a solemn, kinda awkward character - which made sense, since he plays a mortician by day, piano player by night with a very overbearing father. Faison Love projected more in this movie than I've seen him do in any other movie. I kept waiting for Terrence Howard or Ving Rhames to steal the scenes but it never happened. They played their perspective parts and it went smoothly. The end is kinda weird but overall, I'd say they pulled it off nicely. There are a few little things I had issues with but you have to go into the movie understanding that its part fantasy. I mean really, nobody wakes up from bed and breaks into song...at least nobody SANE. The dance sequences were some of the best I've seen in years on film and the songs, although lacking a 30s sound, did retain that 30s feel. This movie is better classified as a fantasy than anything else. Clocks sing, a flask with a rooster on it talks. Not exactly real life occurances to people NOT on drugs. Major props due to Brian Barber, Andre and Big Boi for making a movie with an almost all black cast and managing to keep the ghetto out of the movie. Also, there's a nice Cicely Tyson cameo. Its a long movie but definately worth the watch. The one thing this movie isn't which is what makes it better than Prince's movies, is self-indulgent. The characters are developed very nicely and there is a LOT of talent in this film.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #1 posted 08/23/06 12:29am

SoulAlive

Thanks for that review.I'm definitely gonna go see this movie.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #2 posted 08/23/06 12:30am

funkpill

cool



biggrin
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #3 posted 08/23/06 12:31am

DorothyParkerW
asCool

But is it better than the masterpiece otherwise known as Graffiti Bridge?

hmmm

Seriously, thanx for the post/review. I will try to check it out.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #4 posted 08/23/06 1:25am

4everYoung

avatar

I can't wait to see this flick! Now that the idea has been put to mind, I hope I don't watch it trying to compare it to Under the Cherry Moon . . . .but it is refreshing to watch a film with a mostly all black cast in a positive portrayal again woot!
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #5 posted 08/23/06 5:10am

missfee

avatar

sounds like a must see!!! I'll be there Friday!!!
I will forever love and miss you...my sweet Prince.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #6 posted 08/23/06 8:13am

BlaqueKnight

avatar

4everYoung said:

I can't wait to see this flick! Now that the idea has been put to mind, I hope I don't watch it trying to compare it to Under the Cherry Moon . . . .but it is refreshing to watch a film with a mostly all black cast in a positive portrayal again woot!



There aren't enough similiarities to make a decent comparison, really. A lot of Prince fans favor UTCM as Prince's best movie. Personally, I prefer PR because of the story but thats just me.
[Edited 8/23/06 9:28am]
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #7 posted 08/23/06 9:43am

Adisa

avatar

BlaqueKnight said:

4everYoung said:

I can't wait to see this flick! Now that the idea has been put to mind, I hope I don't watch it trying to compare it to Under the Cherry Moon . . . .but it is refreshing to watch a film with a mostly all black cast in a positive portrayal again woot!



There aren't enough similiarities to make a decent comparison, really. A lot of Prince fans favor UTCM as Prince's best movie. Personally, I prefer PR because of the story but thats just me.
[Edited 8/23/06 9:28am]

Yeah, I was wondering why the title read the way it did. UTCM? lol I guess that's because the album is being compared to Parade, which I'm willing to bet is also the result of some misfired neurons on the part of a few Prince fans.
I'm sick and tired of the Prince fans being sick and tired of the Prince fans that are sick and tired!
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #8 posted 08/23/06 9:46am

CinisterCee

But doesn't the movie only open, like, tomorrow at the earliest?

I thought you were saying Idlewild was better than Parade. eek
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #9 posted 08/23/06 9:51am

Adisa

avatar

CinisterCee said:

But doesn't the movie only open, like, tomorrow at the earliest?

I thought you were saying Idlewild was better than Parade. eek

That's what I thought he meant also until I read the post.
I'm sick and tired of the Prince fans being sick and tired of the Prince fans that are sick and tired!
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #10 posted 08/23/06 9:55am

BlaqueKnight

avatar

CinisterCee said:

But doesn't the movie only open, like, tomorrow at the earliest?

I thought you were saying Idlewild was better than Parade. eek



I know. I saw it last night, though.
Oh, to those reading this and planning on seeing it; be warned. The credits start rolling early so don't jump up to head out of the theater when you see the credits start at the end.

[Edited 8/23/06 9:56am]
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #11 posted 08/23/06 10:08am

goat2004

no shit, U could see the trailer and tell that it's better. I mean, look @ the fucking cast!
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #12 posted 08/23/06 1:12pm

woogiebear

BLASPPHEMY!!!!! PURE BLASPHEMY!!!!! Not because of your OPINION, but COME ON!!!!! That's like comparing Apples and Grapes!!!! Idlewild is set in the "juke joint" era, whereas UTCM was straight Parisian!!!! And besides: OUTKAST (Andre 3000 in particular) are a mere branch off the tree of Prince!!!! Why do U think that THEY welcomed him into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame??? Not a coincidence!!! Idle wild is TOO DIFFERENT than UTCM to be BETTER than UTCM!!!!! I'm NOT attacking U, I'm only sharing MY opinion as well.....
biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #13 posted 08/23/06 1:30pm

2freaky4church
1

avatar

No, I just heard Idlewild and it is damn close to Parade in quality. Big Boi seems to have bounced back. He is really smoking on some tracks.
All you others say Hell Yea!! woot!
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #14 posted 08/23/06 1:35pm

chuckaducci

BlaqueKnight said:

Yep. I said it. This movie kills Prince's movies. It wore a lot of hats (drama, comedy, action, musical) only it was done many times better than Under The Cherry Moon. I'm only saying this now because I know it will be compared to UTCM by orgers even though they have very little in common other than being period pieces of sorts. Its a very different animal, coming closer to "Harlem Nights" than UTCM but it was well executed. Big Boi, in my opinion stood out in the acting department. Andre was a solemn, kinda awkward character - which made sense, since he plays a mortician by day, piano player by night with a very overbearing father. Faison Love projected more in this movie than I've seen him do in any other movie. I kept waiting for Terrence Howard or Ving Rhames to steal the scenes but it never happened. They played their perspective parts and it went smoothly. The end is kinda weird but overall, I'd say they pulled it off nicely. There are a few little things I had issues with but you have to go into the movie understanding that its part fantasy. I mean really, nobody wakes up from bed and breaks into song...at least nobody SANE. The dance sequences were some of the best I've seen in years on film and the songs, although lacking a 30s sound, did retain that 30s feel. This movie is better classified as a fantasy than anything else. Clocks sing, a flask with a rooster on it talks. Not exactly real life occurances to people NOT on drugs. Major props due to Brian Barber, Andre and Big Boi for making a movie with an almost all black cast and managing to keep the ghetto out of the movie. Also, there's a nice Cicely Tyson cameo. Its a long movie but definately worth the watch. The one thing this movie isn't which is what makes it better than Prince's movies, is self-indulgent. The characters are developed very nicely and there is a LOT of talent in this film.




Whew! At first glance, I thought you were talking about Idlewild the album being better than the soundtrack to UTCM. That would be heresy and I could no longer respect your opinion on music! wink


Thanks for the nice review.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #15 posted 08/23/06 1:42pm

NDRU

avatar

Well, I hope for their sake it's better. I like UTCM myself, but I don't think many people outside of the hardore fans liked it. It was generally seen as one of the worst films of the year (though time has been a little kinder to it than to G.B.).

This film probably benefits from not being directed by Outkast themselves.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #16 posted 08/23/06 1:54pm

lastdecember

avatar

Well I am hoping this film is noted for the fact that it employs an all black cast and doesnt represent "gangsta style" and other negative things. Though i dont think it will have "youth" support that is the sad thing, and thats the medias fault for their glorification of those stereotypes and not supporting another side. As for its comparison to UTCM, i still dont see the comparison, better? well we are talking about 20 years ago, alot has changed in Moviemaking and things like that so to compare the two is unfair. Its like when people said the new Miami Vice was better, WTF?? I mean, maybe you thought the dialogue was better or effects, but u just cant compare. So i wish Outkast well with this project, in terms of well i mean "NOT" charts and $$ im talking about maybe it will change the mindset of people about Black Film Making, and dont get me wrong, the biggest problem in this genre is caused by Black Film Makers themselves, buying into the stereotypes.

"We went where our music was appreciated, and that was everywhere but the USA, we knew we had fans, but there is only so much of the world you can play at once" Magne F
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #17 posted 08/23/06 3:04pm

ufoclub

avatar

I'm listening to the album, more of a textural blanket than a collection of single songs.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #18 posted 08/23/06 3:40pm

Meloh9

avatar

I think what kind of messed UTCM up a little is that Prince tried to carry that film on his looks alone, the close ups and the whole nine. I really think he was thinking women will go see it just because he is in it.He was only half right, not all women dig Prince like that.

But thanks for the idlewild review, the critics didn't even comment on the musical performances. The small town I am living in right now may not get the movie friday but I am going to try my best to see it.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #19 posted 08/23/06 3:50pm

blackguitarist
z

avatar

Meloh9 said:

I think what kind of messed UTCM up a little is that Prince tried to carry that film on his looks alone, the close ups and the whole nine. I really think he was thinking women will go see it just because he is in it.He was only half right, not all women dig Prince like that.

But thanks for the idlewild review, the critics didn't even comment on the musical performances. The small town I am living in right now may not get the movie friday but I am going to try my best to see it.

Also to, baby bro, is that P was basically "doing Morris" in a lot of the scenes. He and Jerome's lines were basically what Morris and Jerome would have said if Morris was in the film. The end result was a big ego trip on P's part. To me, THAT'S what ruined the film. Him firing the director and him directing it at the 11th hour is crazy as hell. To his credit, P did a good job for someone who isn't a director, but still. The plot was weak from the get. WB probably wanted P's face all in full frame 98% of the film cuz WB knew the script was whack, so P's appeal HAD to save the film, which it didn't.
SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
nammie "What BGZ says I believe. I have the biggest crush on him."
http://ccoshea19.googlepa...ssanctuary
http://ccoshea19.googlepages.com
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #20 posted 08/23/06 3:53pm

blackguitarist
z

avatar

From the footage that I have seen, which has been plenty ( I live in Los Angeles), I don't even see UTCM at the slightest. Besides the fact that both films star black men and it's a "period piece', that's as far as it goes.
SynthiaRose said "I'm in love with blackguitaristz. Especially when he talks about Hendrix."
nammie "What BGZ says I believe. I have the biggest crush on him."
http://ccoshea19.googlepa...ssanctuary
http://ccoshea19.googlepages.com
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #21 posted 08/23/06 3:54pm

Ifsixwuz9

avatar

Thanks for the detailed review. I think I'll pass. I don't like musicals and I don't get into inanimate objects taking life, unless it's a horror flick. And I difinately get irked by talking animals unless it's a full fleged cartoon. It'll be on cable soon enough.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
I'll play it first and tell you what it is later.
-Miles Davis-
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #22 posted 08/23/06 3:54pm

Meloh9

avatar

blackguitaristz said:

Meloh9 said:

I think what kind of messed UTCM up a little is that Prince tried to carry that film on his looks alone, the close ups and the whole nine. I really think he was thinking women will go see it just because he is in it.He was only half right, not all women dig Prince like that.

But thanks for the idlewild review, the critics didn't even comment on the musical performances. The small town I am living in right now may not get the movie friday but I am going to try my best to see it.

Also to, baby bro, is that P was basically "doing Morris" in a lot of the scenes. He and Jerome's lines were basically what Morris and Jerome would have said if Morris was in the film. The end result was a big ego trip on P's part. To me, THAT'S what ruined the film. Him firing the director and him directing it at the 11th hour is crazy as hell. To his credit, P did a good job for someone who isn't a director, but still. The plot was weak from the get. WB probably wanted P's face all in full frame 98% of the film cuz WB knew the script was whack, so P's appeal HAD to save the film, which it didn't.



I can see that. I really like UTCM and Graffiti Bridge. I really don't think cherry moon is a bad film at all, but I can see why it didn't do that good in the mainstream. Don't forget people still wanted to see "the kid" from Purple Rain also.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #23 posted 08/23/06 9:07pm

sexxydancer

woogiebear said:

BLASPPHEMY!!!!! PURE BLASPHEMY!!!!! Not because of your OPINION, but COME ON!!!!! That's like comparing Apples and Grapes!!!! Idlewild is set in the "juke joint" era, whereas UTCM was straight Parisian!!!! And besides: OUTKAST (Andre 3000 in particular) are a mere branch off the tree of Prince!!!! Why do U think that THEY welcomed him into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame??? Not a coincidence!!! Idle wild is TOO DIFFERENT than UTCM to be BETTER than UTCM!!!!! I'm NOT attacking U, I'm only sharing MY opinion as well.....
biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin

I totally agree! I doubt seriously that anything Outkast could b better than anything Prince! biggrin
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #24 posted 08/23/06 9:26pm

BlaqueKnight

avatar

sexxydancer said:

woogiebear said:

BLASPPHEMY!!!!! PURE BLASPHEMY!!!!! Not because of your OPINION, but COME ON!!!!! That's like comparing Apples and Grapes!!!! Idlewild is set in the "juke joint" era, whereas UTCM was straight Parisian!!!! And besides: OUTKAST (Andre 3000 in particular) are a mere branch off the tree of Prince!!!! Why do U think that THEY welcomed him into the Rock & Roll Hall Of Fame??? Not a coincidence!!! Idle wild is TOO DIFFERENT than UTCM to be BETTER than UTCM!!!!! I'm NOT attacking U, I'm only sharing MY opinion as well.....
biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin

I totally agree! I doubt seriously that anything Outkast could b better than anything Prince! biggrin



For one thing, this is Brian Barber's movie. He wrote and directed it. Secondly, the difference between the b.s. you two are talking and what I posted is that I've seen Idlewild.
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #25 posted 08/23/06 9:48pm

sexxydancer

BlaqueKnight said:

sexxydancer said:


I totally agree! I doubt seriously that anything Outkast could b better than anything Prince! biggrin



For one thing, this is Brian Barber's movie. He wrote and directed it. Secondly, the difference between the b.s. you two are talking and what I posted is that I've seen Idlewild.

Don't know Brian Barber,so that means nothing 2 me.And like I said,I seriously doubt that Outkast could do anything better than Prince! B.S. 2 u,mayb,but it's what I believe!
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #26 posted 08/23/06 10:05pm

BlaqueKnight

avatar

sexxydancer said:

BlaqueKnight said:




For one thing, this is Brian Barber's movie. He wrote and directed it. Secondly, the difference between the b.s. you two are talking and what I posted is that I've seen Idlewild.

Don't know Brian Barber,so that means nothing 2 me.And like I said,I seriously doubt that Outkast could do anything better than Prince! B.S. 2 u,mayb,but it's what I believe!



Why do you feel it necessary to have an opinion on something you haven't even seen? That makes no sense at all.
[Edited 8/23/06 22:06pm]
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #27 posted 08/23/06 10:15pm

sexxydancer

BlaqueKnight said:[quote]

sexxydancer said:


Don't know Brian Barber,so that means nothing 2 me.And like I said,I seriously doubt that Outkast could do anything better than Prince! B.S. 2 u,mayb,but it's what I believe!



Why do you feel it necessary to have an opinion on something you haven't even seen? That makes no sense at all.
[Edited 8/23/06 22:06pm]
[/quote Y did u have 2 compare it 2 Cherry Moon?
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #28 posted 08/23/06 10:52pm

4everYoung

avatar

hmm
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Reply #29 posted 08/24/06 3:15am

spacedolphin

avatar

Been looking forward to this film for months now. Definately hasn't been enough fantasy musicals in the last decade.
music I'm afraid of Americans. I'm afraid of the world. music
  - E-mail - orgNote - Report post to moderator
Page 1 of 4 1234>
  New topic   Printable     (Log in to 'subscribe' to this topic)
« Previous topic  Next topic »
Forums > Music: Non-Prince > Idlewild is better than UTCM